if the goal is to win a world series than any deal that helps you directly win said fucking world series is a great trade.

 

urbina helped the marlins win the world series in 2003.  they do not win the world series in 2003 without urbina.

 

therefore, its one of the greatest trades in franchise history.

 

 

if the goal is to win a world series than any deal that helps you directly win said fucking world series is a great trade.

 

urbina helped the marlins win the world series in 2003.  they do not win the world series in 2003 without urbina.

 

therefore, its one of the greatest trades in franchise history.

 

So answer my question. Every trade that resulted in a player from '03 was a great move? Urbina's deal still wouldn't qualify as one of the best. Check out how we got every player that year. People just remember the Urbina deal for some reason.

 

 

Conine 2003

 

Better than the Urbina deal. That's one.

 

 

So answer my question. Every trade that resulted in a player from '03 was a great move? Urbina's deal still wouldn't qualify as one of the best. Check out how we got every player that year. People just remember the Urbina deal for some reason.

 

every trade in 2003 that directly lead to a player that contributed to that win was a great trade.

 

you cant put a trade for d. lee in that retarded huizenga firesale to a deadline deal in 2003 for an urbina.

 

they are different animals. 

 

people remember the urbina trade, because urbina solidified the back end of the pen which gets the most attention then and even more now.

 

 

this thread. now.

 

0.286 WHIP in the NLCS. 7 game series. got the W in game 1, which went to extra innings. closed out game 7 with no base runners allowed and 2 Ks.

 

Marlins don't win the NL without Urbina. boosh.

 

And he had a 6 ERA in the other two playoff series.

 

 

And he had a 6 ERA in the other two playoff series.

 

but they can't win the WS without making it to the WS and he was clutch in the NLCS

 

 

All this talk about 2003 makes me sad! 

 

 

And he had a 6 ERA in the other two playoff series.

 

so?

 

 

but they can't win the WS without making it to the WS and he was clutch in the NLCS

 

exactly.

 

 

I can't say the would have won the 03 WS without Urbina, but they sure as hell weren't going to win it with Looper or Nunez as closer.

 

 

but they can't win the WS without making it to the WS and he was clutch in the NLCS

 

Never said otherwise. Just saying Urbina's trade doesn't belong on these lists.

 

Remember when we traded Mr. 6 fingers and Matt Clement and ended up with some guy by the name of Dontrelle Willis? I don't see that deal in this thread. People just remember the Urbina deal because it happened that year.

 

 

every trade in 2003 that directly lead to a player that contributed to that win was a great trade.

 

you cant put a trade for d. lee in that retarded huizenga firesale to a deadline deal in 2003 for an urbina.

 

they are different animals. 

 

people remember the urbina trade, because urbina solidified the back end of the pen which gets the most attention then and even more now.

 

lol why not? Without Derrek Lee, we don't win the World Series. Seems like poor logic there, Cards fan.

 

 

Never said otherwise. Just saying Urbina's trade doesn't belong on these lists.

 

Remember when we traded Mr. 6 fingers and Matt Clement and ended up with some guy by the name of Dontrelle Willis? I don't see that deal in this thread. People just remember the Urbina deal because it happened that year.

 

Well we won the WS that year, kind of an important thing!

 

 

Well we won the WS that year, kind of an important thing!

 

Dontrelle Willis was on the team that year too.

 

 

I can't say the would have won the 03 WS without Urbina, but they sure as hell weren't going to win it with Looper or Nunez as closer.

 

We don't win without Chad Fox either then. Where's his deal? Not on this thread. And we didn't have to trade Adrian Gonzalez to get Fox either.

 

 

lol why not? Without Derrek Lee, we don't win the World Series. Seems like poor logic there, Cards fan.

 

trades you made at the deadline are always evaluated by what happens as a result. some in hindsight are stupid, but at the time, they are well worth it.

 

if it was 2003 all over again and I have that trade to make again, i make it 10 out of 10 times.

 

trades you make years in advance are always evaulated differently.  is that fair?  maybe, maybe not.

 

but its life and its how its done in the grand scheme of things.

 

trades that result in a world series (where the player plays a significant roles) in the year you make them at the deadline will always go down as wins and significant trades.

 

why?  because whatever player you acquired was not on your roster at the beginning of the season.  if you didnt have said player, you do not win said world series.

 

if the goal is the win a fucking world series, then its a significant trade.

 

maybe you dont think so, you are in the minority.

 

 

trades you made at the deadline are always evaluated by what happens as a result. some in hindsight are stupid, but at the time, they are well worth it.

 

if it was 2003 all over again and I have that trade to make again, i make it 10 out of 10 times.

 

trades you make years in advance are always evaulated differently.  is that fair?  maybe, maybe not.

 

but its life and its how its done in the grand scheme of things.

 

trades that result in a world series (where the player plays a significant roles) in the year you make them at the deadline will always go down as wins and significant trades.

 

why?  because whatever player you acquired was not on your roster at the beginning of the season.  if you didnt have said player, you do not win said world series.

 

if the goal is the win a fucking world series, then its a significant trade.

 

maybe you dont think so, you are in the minority.

 

So the Chad Fox deal is one of the best in franchise history?

 

 

We don't win without Chad Fox either then. Where's his deal? Not on this thread. And we didn't have to trade Adrian Gonzalez to get Fox either.

 

marlins signed chad fox as a free agent that year, after taking a flyer on him and literally getting luckier than lucky that he wasnt total trash for 6 weeks.

 

 

So the Chad Fox deal is one of the best in franchise history?

 

THEY DIDNT FUCKING TRADE FOR CHAD FOX.

 

 

We don't win without Chad Fox either then. Where's his deal? Not on this thread. And we didn't have to trade Adrian Gonzalez to get Fox either.

 

Fox was a free agent, if that's your choice for best free agent signing then state your case!

 

I still think the Lowell deal is the best trade and of course without him they don't win the World Series either

 

 

THEY DIDNT FUCKING TRADE FOR CHAD FOX.

 

This thread isn't only about trades. 

 

 

Fox was a free agent, if that's your choice for best free agent signing then state your case!

 

I still think the Lowell deal is the best trade and of course without him they don't win the World Series either

 

the lowell deal worked out quite nicely for the marlins, mostly because all the crap traded for him turned out to be literally crap.

 

 

This thread isn't only about trades. 

 

ok?

 

i'm talking about trades and any trade that directly leads to  a world series is worth it.

 

you bring up chad fox signing and beinfest getting beyond lucky.

 

marlins dont win without chad fox just like they dont win without urbina.

 

 

I doubt we're talking about Urbrina at all if A-Gon didn't become a great player.

 

Because A-Gon became great, people bring up if it's a trade that should have been made. You then have people on both sides, one of which is going to talk up the trade as great.

 

Never once heard Craig Counsell brought up as one of the greatest trades the Marlins ever made. Deadline dead in 1997 and he scored the game winning run. But no one ever talks about it because it was Mark Hutton who was traded for him, and he was out of the majors two years later. Nor Darren Daulton. 1.121 OPS while starting 5 WS games and appearing in all 7. We gave up Billy McMillon for him. Who?

 

 

Also, I fail to see the logic of firesale deals not counting.

 

If we don't get the players from the Huizenga firesale, the Urbina deal never happens.

 

So, basically, the firesale deals should go under the best of all-time to especially since all of those players had a much greater impact than Urbina that year and much better careers as Marlins.

 

Then again, singular trades/signings shouldn't be evaluated based on whether the team won the World Series or not, so yeah.