Anyone ever heard the rumor that the Yankees wanted Bryan Harvey in 93 and that Jeters name came up in discussions?

 

 

Drafting Matt Dominguez in 2007 instead of Jason Heyward.

 

Drafting Chad James in 2009 instead of Mike Trout.

 

Fuck this team.

 

I don't think you read the title of the thread.

 

true story: before the Sheff to Fish trade. Braves offered the Marlins a skinny chipper jones and a guy named Ryan Klesko for Hoffman. Marlins took the Sheffield trade instead. And we all know the story from there. Can you guys imagine? What if?

 

I still like the deal and glad they turned down the braves.

 

Anyone ever heard the rumor that the Yankees wanted Bryan Harvey in 93 and that Jeters name came up in discussions?

 

Really? Never. Where did you here that?

 

Anyone ever heard the rumor that the Yankees wanted Bryan Harvey in 93 and that Jeters name came up in discussions?

 

Nope but its kind of funny how some people (not you) would look at that now and say see Marlins were dumb again for not trading for Jeter.  And those same people would bitch if the fish traded a player for a no-name prospect tomorrow.

 

 

I still like the deal and glad they turned down the braves.

 

Me too, Sheffield helped the team win the WS.  Therefore, it was a good trade.

 

Its reminiscent of people that complain about the fish trading away Adrian Gonzalez.  Marlins do not win the WS without Urbina so good deal.

 

 

Nope but its kind of funny how some people (not you) would look at that now and say see Marlins were dumb again for not trading for Jeter.  And those same people would bitch if the fish traded a player for a no-name prospect tomorrow.

 

Jeter was the #6 overall pick and #16 prospect for BA after that year. He was incredibly far from being a no-name prospect. If they could have gotten Jeter for Harvey and didn't, that is a dumb move for an expansion team no where close to competing. Especially considering we're talking about a guy who's on the wrong side of 30, dealing with injury issues, and a free agent very soon.

 

People were calling for Cishek to be moved this past offseason. And if we got a top 16 prospect for him, people would have been ecstatic.

 

 

Jeter was the #6 overall pick and #16 prospect for BA after that year. He was incredibly far from being a no-name prospect. If they could have gotten Jeter for Harvey and didn't, that is a dumb move for an expansion team no where close to competing.

 

I wasn't talking about educated fans such as yourself.  I was talking about the casual fans who would have seen Jeter at the time as a no-name. I still never heard that rumor before anyway.

 

 

Best rumor was: Boston acquiring Michael Stanton, FLA receives Manny Ramirez.

 

 

Best rumor was: Boston acquiring Michael Stanton, FLA receives Manny Ramirez.

 

That wasn't just a rumor though, if I'm not mistaken.

 

 

Actually Jeter despite his BA rating wasnt valued at all by the Yankees. Only reason he got the call was cause Enrique Wilson went down for the year. Jeter got two hits his first game up and really never ever looked back. But as far as the rumor, never even heard it.

 

as far as manny being manny for Stanton, that would of been an epic shafting. Glad that didnt happen. Although, i heard that same year we almost got vlad guererro.

 

 

http://m.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/trading-spaces-players-deal-deadline-moves-article-1.527433

 

http://www.courant.com/sports/baseball/hc-derek-jeter-timeline-0925-20140924-story.html#page=1

 

http://sullybaseball.blogspot.com/2009/09/remembering-bryan-harvey.html?m=1

 

Three links referencing the rumor including Jeter himself saying he had heard it at the time. The Yankees say it wasn't gonna happen but they could also be bluffing to not admit they almost traded their greatest modern player. To me, Jeter himself acknowledging it is enough to give it some weight.

 

 

 

Jeter was the #6 overall pick and #16 prospect for BA after that year. He was incredibly far from being a no-name prospect. If they could have gotten Jeter for Harvey and didn't, that is a dumb move for an expansion team no where close to competing. Especially considering we're talking about a guy who's on the wrong side of 30, dealing with injury issues, and a free agent very soon.

 

People were calling for Cishek to be moved this past offseason. And if we got a top 16 prospect for him, people would have been ecstatic.

 

The problem with that theory regarding Cishek is that the team was making a play off push. You can't constantly be in a rebuilding mind set. At the time, he was a good closer and the team, rightfully so, saw a reliable closer as a need for a play off contending team. No one could have predicted his precipitous fall. As for the Jeter rumors, it's irrelevant. Weiss was there as a placeholder for what would be Renteria. He was a solid SS for the A's. Of course, no one could have predicted Weiss would spurn the Marlins, and Dombroski, and go play for the Rockies the following year.

 

People really overestimate how important Urbina was to winning the World Series in '03. He was good in the regular season and helped us get into the playoffs, but he actually wasn't even that good in the playoffs.

 

It's weird to consider that trade a "good trade" in franchise history unless you're just going with the logic that every player acquired in '03 was a good trade. For whatever reason though, that move is brought up more than other moves that actually helped that team more to win a championship. It's just pretty weird, I think. And, all in all, considering how good Adrian Gonzalez turned out to be, it really doesn't belong on this list. It's not a loss because Urbina was a part of that '03 team, but it wasn't a win worth celebrating.

 

If the Marlins don't win the World Series that year (a crapshoot/Urbina wasn't necessarily the only reliever on the market who could've done what he did), everyone hates that trade now. 

 

 

As for Bryan Morris, they traded a compensation pick for a league average reliever. That's one of the best trades in franchise history? Lol. 

 

 

I don't think you read the title of the thread.

 

Sarcasm buddy.

 

 

 

Sarcasm buddy.

 

Fair enough.

 

I feel 100% confident saying without Urbina they don't win the WS in part because they may have not made the playoffs even without him and I know you hate closers Erick 

 

 

I feel 100% confident saying without Urbina they don't win the WS in part because they may have not made the playoffs even without him and I know you hate closers Erick 

 

I'm not denying that he played a part. Just saying, how does this go down as one of the BEST moves in franchise history when a very good prospect was traded to get him? Considering the result of the deal, it is, at best, an even deal. 

 

And my point about Urbina is that his impact is often overblown. Chad Fox played a significant part in the pen down the stretch that year too and was acquired for much less, but you'll never see that move listed among the best in franchise history. 

 

If Urbina's deal is one of the best in franchise history solely based on the fact that we won it all in '03, a bunch of other better moves from that year that have yet to be listed should be on the list too. 

 

 

I actually never said it was one of the best.  I know I posted in this thread but it was more of an example in my earlier reply.

 

 

Fair enough. I think that if we start evaluating the best moves in franchise history, Urbina's deal doesn't even make the top 20.

 

 

I don't know where I'd rank it overall but I stand by my theory that I liked the trade simply because it resulted in a WS championship.  And in my opinion we don't win the World Series without Urbina but I guess we should maybe make a separate thread about that subject one day and debate it.

 

 

Conine 2003

 

 

Going by that logic through, is trading Kevin Brown (still an ace at the time) for 3 players (1 of them turned out to be Derrek Lee) one of the best moves in franchise history? It's not a lopsided deal (just like the Urbina deal), but Lee was a part of the '03 team. Lee had a much greater impact than Urbina and had a much better career overall as a Marlin than Urbina.

 

That trade is never listed as one of the greats in Marlins history though.

 

If we're talking about trades won solely based on the fact that the players were on the '03 team, I'm thinking Urbina doesn't make a top 10 '03 team list. Most of the players we had that season were acquired via trade, and some of those were actually lopsided deals worthy of being on the list.

 

 

I don't know where I'd rank it overall but I stand by my theory that I liked the trade simply because it resulted in a WS championship.  And in my opinion we don't win the World Series without Urbina but I guess we should maybe make a separate thread about that subject one day and debate it.

 

this thread. now.

 

People really overestimate how important Urbina was to winning the World Series in '03. He was good in the regular season and helped us get into the playoffs, but he actually wasn't even that good in the playoffs.

 

0.286 WHIP in the NLCS. 7 game series. got the W in game 1, which went to extra innings. closed out game 7 with no base runners allowed and 2 Ks.

 

Marlins don't win the NL without Urbina. boosh.