Ok all I see is worst this worst that. Always negative. Let's talk about the positives. My draft pick is Josh Beckett. Let this over due rant start! 

 

 

Dan Uggla in the Rule V was a big steal.

 

We got Cody Ross for cash considerations.

 

Bryan Morris for the 36th overall pick worked great last year for us regardless of the regression this year.

 

Ugueth Urbina for Adrian Gonzalez was a trade this team needed to win a World Series.

 

Josh Beckett, Mike Lowell and Guillermo Mota for Hanley and Anibal (also Delgado and Garcia but they didn't pan out)worked for both teams.

 

The huge Toronto Blue Jays trade has worked out for us given everybody we gave away outside of Mark Buerhle seems to be either overpaid, injured, or unproductive.

 

I'd consider a no trade involving Stanton one of the "good" moves by the team. Everybody and their mother wanted to trade away this single A player named Mike Stanton, coming off a near 40 home run season in Greensboro, to the Red Sox for then star Manny Ramirez. Marlins balked at the offer when everybody called them crazy for doing so. I'd say that worked out.

 

Getting Lowell for Todd Noel, Mark Johnson and Ed Yarnall worked out pretty damn well given Lowell is a fan favorite in history and none of the other guys stuck around in the majors for the Yankees.

 

There's quite a bit more but these are the ones I can remember off the top of my head.

 

 

Yeah, Mike Lowell was a steal. But remember he was facing cancer issues and the Yankees thought he wouldn't amount to anything. He is my favorite Marlin all time. Also the Alfonseca for Dontrelle deal was on point.

 

 

Minor league free agent signing of Jhonatan Solano anyone?

 

 

That Bryan Morris deal doesn't belong on the list, and, quite frankly, the Urbina deal shouldn't be on there either. A reliever trade that's working out for us is Logan Morrison for Carter Capps. 

 

 

With that pick the Pirates took Connor Joe who's putting up a .624 OPS in A ball. Obvious we don't know who the Marlins would've picked, but Morris has given us better production at the major league level than whoever we would've taken at 39th overall like would have. I see no reason why that isn't a success for us. Even if you disliked the trade at the time, its worked out. Same thing with Urbina. It's a win regardless of Gonzalez's career given the win mode mentality and the fact that we likely don't win the World Series without Urbina.

 

 

I agree Urbina helped us win it all. But believe me that was the Marlins year. They would of won even without Urbina. They were playing PERFECT baseball. They caught fire right on time. No one was stopping that club. They had it all. Pitching, speed, defense, and an average balance of power. That Castillo/Gonzalez combo was wow. The one/two punch of Beckett and Penny. Carl Pavano right after... Deadly. Team wasnt going to lose. 

 

Point being. That trade can be looked at from two differ angles. Depending on how you see it. Their is NO wrong way to look at that trade. I however see it not as a win but as a win win if that makes any sense.

 

 

Signing? Free Agent or a player the Marlins developed? Free Agent would have to be Pudge, developed signing lots to choose like Castillo or Renteria, maybe even Sea Bass, but I would go with Miggy! Trade I would agree with Lowell, but gave some consideration to Sheffield and Floyd, in time it will probably be Gordon. As for draft choice I would go with CJ for now, but Stanton, Yelich or Fernandez will take over if they can win a championship!

 

 

Signing? Free Agent or a player the Marlins developed? Free Agent would have to be Pudge, developed signing lots to choose like Castillo or Renteria, maybe even Sea Bass, but I would go with Miggy! Trade I would agree with Lowell, but gave some consideration to Sheffield and Floyd, in time it will probably be Gordon. As for draft choice I would go with CJ for now, but Stanton, Yelich or Fernandez will take over if they can win a championship!

 

CJ is a great choice if we are talking 97 Championship CJ but his second go round with us after hitting over 30 dingers with Baltimore wasnt so great. We basically threw 30 million dollars in the toilet. Pudge was a great out of nowhere signing. 

 

Edit: well we did get Pierre thanks to Cj and Hampton. So i guess it wasnt so bad. Which randomly leads me to this question. Where is Tim Spooneybarger? 

 

 

That Bryan Morris deal doesn't belong on the list, and, quite frankly, the Urbina deal shouldn't be on there either. A reliever trade that's working out for us is Logan Morrison for Carter Capps. 

 

I actually think that they could have had Urbina and kept Gonzalez and sent Stokes instead makes that a questionable win.

 

 

Yes the talks involved Stokes or Gonzalez. They wanted one. I do forget why they chose to keep stokes though.

 

 

I agree Urbina helped us win it all. But believe me that was the Marlins year. They would of won even without Urbina. They were playing PERFECT baseball. They caught fire right on time. No one was stopping that club. They had it all. Pitching, speed, defense, and an average balance of power. That Castillo/Gonzalez combo was wow. The one/two punch of Beckett and Penny. Carl Pavano right after... Deadly. Team wasnt going to lose. 

 

Point being. That trade can be looked at from two differ angles. Depending on how you see it. Their is NO wrong way to look at that trade. I however see it not as a win but as a win win if that makes any sense.

 

Marlins do not win in 2003 without Urbina.  Fact.

 

 

I disagree. Although Urbina was baseball hottest pitcher off the bullpen that year we could of easily used the D-Train in relief that year in the post season. Ah heck your probably right. But we were so strong that year, who knows what could of happened...

 

 

Ok all I see is worst this worst that. Always negative. Let's talk about the positives. My draft pick is Josh Beckett. Let this over due rant start! 

 

You are so right. I'm glad you did this thread.

 

I'll double and say sheffield. We got a steal on the Padres fire sale.

 

 

Trevor Hoffman for Gary Sheffield. No losers is this trade. However Sheff was more instrumental for building a team around I think.  Closers are mainly one dimensional. 

 

Marlins trade Mike Piazza for Preston Wilson,  Goeff geotz, and Ed Yarnell.  Trading the best hitting catcher of all time for those three players. We got hosed. I still think Preston Wilson did not live up to his talent. Just wasn't consistent. But he had a decent career. 

 

Robb Nen was traded for a first round pick and Joe Fontenot. He finished his career one year later due to injuries. 

 

 

I'll double and say sheffield. We got a steal on the Padres fire sale.

 

I'll double and say sheffield. We got a steal on the Padres fire sale.

 

at the cost of Trevor Hoffman though. Sheff was a big part of our 97 World Series victory, but you cant ignore all those years Hoffman piched lights out for the Padres. He was overshadowed by others like Mariano Rivera, but wow what a pitcher.

 

 

Piazza for Preston Wilson and co. Was a horrible trade. Look at it this way we trade todd ziele and piazza for preston basically, or you can look at it like we traded Kevin Brown, Gary Sheffield, Bobby Bonilla for Wilson. Granted he hit 25 homers his first year with us and it looked promising but those strikeout number were horrendous. His career was prolonged in a Colorado Rockie uniform, but even I can knock a few out of that park.

 

 

 

 

at the cost of Trevor Hoffman though. Sheff was a big part of our 97 World Series victory, but you cant ignore all those years Hoffman piched lights out for the Padres. He was overshadowed by others like Mariano Rivera, but wow what a pitcher.

 

True, but it was needed. We would not have won 1997 without Shef. It was worth it.

 

at the cost of Trevor Hoffman though. Sheff was a big part of our 97 World Series victory, but you cant ignore all those years Hoffman piched lights out for the Padres. He was overshadowed by others like Mariano Rivera, but wow what a pitcher.

 

Indeed.  And to rack up all those saves for a mediocre team was impressive.  If he played for a team like the yanks he would have been the all time leader in saves. 

 

I just think a bat in the middle of a lineup  for a closer has more value.  

 

 

true story: before the Sheff to Fish trade. Braves offered the Marlins a skinny chipper jones and a guy named Ryan Klesko for Hoffman. Marlins took the Sheffield trade instead. And we all know the story from there. Can you guys imagine? What if?

 

 

Adding to list of best Marlins draft picks. Johan Santana. Later traded to Twins for Jared Camp. Marlins also gave up 50,000 to cover Twins draft costs lol

 

 

Adding to list of best Marlins draft picks. Johan Santana. Later traded to Twins for Jared Camp. Marlins also gave up 50,000 to cover Twins draft costs lol

 

 I was going to mention Johan Santana knowing that I see him before with the club in the past. So I looked it up and couldn't find any info on it.  Glad you posted it.  

 

Marlins have to be the expos of the 80s. So much talent

 

 

Best trade: If we ever get anything, even a single A veteran 42-year-old backup catcher, for Michael Morse.

 

 

Drafting Matt Dominguez in 2007 instead of Jason Heyward.

 

Drafting Chad James in 2009 instead of Mike Trout.

 

Fuck this team.