Hinch and Luhnow fired after being suspended by MLB

[Michael 2,818]

Some thoughts:

 

- Can't just give the title to the Dodgers because that assumes that they'd have beaten the Yankees or Red Sox in 2017 (let's not assume Astros 100% win without cheating against them). Only way to do it right is to get all players from those teams that year and have them play the games! (OK that won't happen.)

 

- Olbermann is an exaggerator, always has been, just wants the clicks. Hard to take him seriously when he sent out a slew of tweets calling a particular Presidential candidate a "motherfucker" over and over again. Whether agreeing with him or not. He called the Stanton contract "a scam" the day after it was announced, which to some small extent he was correct, Loria never intended to pay for the whole thing, but it does still exist.

 

- Pretty sure it was indeed just four draft picks, the first and second round picks this year and next year. Still a lot.

 

- Das, I really don't understand why you think the Dodgers are poorly managed in-game or poorly run in their front office. They've won the West seven consecutive years, made it to the World Series twice in that span and made it beyond the division series four of those years. You don't just do that with a poorly run team.

 

- Cora is absolutely boned pending the investigation into the Red Sox.

 

- Luhnow claims to not be a cheater. Ha.

[SilverBullet 2,970]

Some of y’all are saying 8 draft picks lost. I saw first and second-round picks in 2020 and 2021. That sounds like 4 total picks. What am I missing?

2 picks in each of those rounds.

 

It's not one pick in each round it's all their picks in those rounds. So its 2 first round picks in 2020, 2 second round picks in 2020, 2 first round picks in 2021, and 2 second round picks in 2021... 8 lost picks in total.

 

If it turns out that the lost number of picks don't equal 8 then they would lose picks in 2022 as well until they lose 8.

[Michael 2,818]

2 picks in each of those rounds.

 

It's not one pick in each round it's all their picks in those rounds. So its 2 first round picks in 2020, 2 second round picks in 2020, 2 first round picks in 2021, and 2 second round picks in 2021... 8 lost picks in total.

 

If it turns out that the lost number of picks don't equal 8 then they would lose picks in 2022 as well until they lose 8.

Source please. <3

[SilverBullet 2,970]

Cora is absolutely boned

Wow I can't believe they're gonna reward him like this.

[Michael 2,818]

Wow I can't believe they're gonna reward him like this.

They're going to use a literal bone to do it.

[SonOfJack 2,970]

"I am not a cheater" - Luhnow.

 

lol yeah this all went on without you knowing anything about it, sure thing bud. Not shutting it down is also cheating

[SilverBullet 2,970]

They're going to use a literal bone to do it.

Even more of a reward!

[SilverBullet 2,970]

Wrong approach Luhnow, wrong approach.

[Michael 2,818]

From The Athletic via Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drillich, who have been on this story since early November:

 

"The forfeitures of first- and second-round draft picks in both 2020 and ’21."

 

Where do you see up to eight picks?

[SonOfJack 2,970]

Wrong approach Luhnow, wrong approach.

It is a trend with him

[Michael 2,818]

It is a trend with him

"Pfft, Taubman didn't do that shit, he didn't mean any of it."

 

But, but he did. Here's proof.

 

"Ah fuck that guy, he didn't matter much anyways."

[SilverBullet 2,970]

@mystikol87 @Michael ...I apologize, I misread, it's 4 picks. I read "two first round picks and two second round picks" and thought it was saying per year but it's in total.

[Michael 2,818]

@mystikol87 @Michael ...I apologize, I misread, it's 4 picks. I read "two first round picks and two second round picks" and thought it was saying per year but it's in total.

Right, just saw it myself what you may have been looking at, from the PDF posted in the article on MLB's site:

 

[SilverBullet 2,970]

So Luhnow is basically claiming ignorance but I don't think he gets suspended if they didn't prove that he at least knew about it. They concluded that Crane knew nothing so if Luhnow knew nothing that probably would have been proven as well.

[Michael 2,818]

So Luhnow is basically claiming ignorance but I don't think he gets suspended if they didn't prove that he at least knew about it. They concluded that Crane knew nothing so if Luhnow knew nothing that probably would have been proven as well.

I agree - I am pretty shocked that players aren't getting suspended at all, especially given the info out on Beltran.

[Das Texan 169]

 

- Das, I really don't understand why you think the Dodgers are poorly managed in-game or poorly run in their front office. They've won the West seven consecutive years, made it to the World Series twice in that span and made it beyond the division series four of those years. You don't just do that with a poorly run team.

 

 

Dodgers refuse to actually make the big trade and move a prospect because well I dont know why. They refused to move Urias because he was going to be the next great thing instead of using him to acquire Verlander or even Hamels.

 

Thats not being aggressive and realizing you fucking play in Los Angeles. That your 'process' is better than anyone else.

 

So they have won the west 7 years in a row, big fucking deal. They should be. Raise those division flags as being something grand.

 

They should be using their vast resources to being in the playoffs/series yearly.

 

Roberts is a bad in game manager, he fucking telegraphed his game plan last year to the Nationals for fucks sake. Great guy, bad in game manager (but not unexpected given his lack of experience).

 

If the Dodgers truly wanted to win the World Series, they would have seen so many of the actual failures, nut up and make the big fucking move. Sign the giant free agent. Make the blockbuster trade.

 

They trade for Justin Verlander in 2017, they win the World Series. They might have repeated in 2018. But Andrew Friedman thinks he can take the Rays philosophy and use that in the massive market of the Dodgers. Dodgers are making money hand over fist, but at the same time, they would rather make money over winning the World Series. Winning the World Series would just be a fun by product it seems.

 

If the Dodgers truly wanted to win, they make the big massive move to win and improve the roster. They havent and they arent going to.

 

Is there some reason why Lindor is not wearing Dodger blue at this point? The Dodgers own cheapness and overvaluing their prospects.

 

Go get the players and win a fucking World Series or three!

[Michael 2,818]

(but not unexpected given his lack of experience).

OK at what point will you say he has experience? He's managed for four years now. lol

[SilverBullet 2,970]

I agree - I am pretty shocked that players aren't getting suspended at all, especially given the info out on Beltran.

How weird that Beltran is the only specific player named in the report? The guy that just became a new manager. If they weren't gonna discipline any players then none should have been named for anything negative. Feels kinda shady that they did name him though... as if Manfred wanted to point him out so that people keep an eye on him in NY.

 

"I won't mention any names but Carlos Beltran did participate in this!"

[Das Texan 169]

Jeff Luhnow is a fucking piece of shit.

 

Seen over and over and over again.

 

Hell the Astros system got hacked largely becuse of Luhnow not bothering to change his password from his Cardinal days becuase he is smarter than anyone else!

 

Jeff123 is probably a bad passworld Jeff.

[Das Texan 169]

OK at what point will you say he has experience? He's managed for four years now. lol

 

And still making the same idiotic mistakes.

[SonOfJack 2,970]

@mystikol87 @Michael ...I apologize, I misread, it's 4 picks. I read "two first round picks and two second round picks" and thought it was saying per year but it's in total.

I guess @canada-marlin24 taught you nothing, you're supposed to say they are wrong still

[SilverBullet 2,970]

Dodgers refuse to actually make the big trade and move a prospect because well I dont know why. They refused to move Urias because he was going to be the next great thing instead of using him to acquire Verlander or even Hamels.

 

Thats not being aggressive and realizing you fucking play in Los Angeles. That your 'process' is better than anyone else.

 

So they have won the west 7 years in a row, big fucking deal. They should be. Raise those division flags as being something grand.

 

They should be using their vast resources to being in the playoffs/series yearly.

 

Roberts is a bad in game manager, he fucking telegraphed his game plan last year to the Nationals for fucks sake. Great guy, bad in game manager (but not unexpected given his lack of experience).

 

If the Dodgers truly wanted to win the World Series, they would have seen so many of the actual failures, nut up and make the big fucking move. Sign the giant free agent. Make the blockbuster trade.

 

They trade for Justin Verlander in 2017, they win the World Series. They might have repeated in 2018. But Andrew Friedman thinks he can take the Rays philosophy and use that in the massive market of the Dodgers. Dodgers are making money hand over fist, but at the same time, they would rather make money over winning the World Series. Winning the World Series would just be a fun by product it seems.

 

If the Dodgers truly wanted to win, they make the big massive move to win and improve the roster. They havent and they arent going to.

 

Is there some reason why Lindor is not wearing Dodger blue at this point? The Dodgers own cheapness and overvaluing their prospects.

 

Go get the players and win a fucking World Series or three!

All this rambling about how you dislike what the Dodgers have been doing and it completely negates the fact that the Dodgers could have potentially won two of the last three World Series if they weren't playing proven cheaters both times.

[Das Texan 169]

All this rambling about how you dislike what the Dodgers have been doing and it completely negates the fact that the Dodgers could have potentially won two of the last three World Series if they weren't playing proven cheaters both times.

 

Only the Astros have been proven to cheat yet.

 

And yet it totally negates how if they had just bothered to make a big trade they win regardless. Let's just overlook how they have not been aggressive and remembered they play in the #2 media market in the United States.

[SonOfJack 2,970]

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