14 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Under what metric is Miami the 7th largest TV market in the country?

 

https://oaaa.org/Portals/0/Public PDFs/OAAA 2021 NIELSEN DMA Rankings Report.pdf

 

Add in WPB and it's 8-10 range every year pretty consistently. I think that is fair also to add.

32 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Under what metric is Miami the 7th largest TV market in the country?

 

https://oaaa.org/Portals/0/Public PDFs/OAAA 2021 NIELSEN DMA Rankings Report.pdf

 

Further any talk about MLB wanting to move the Marlins is stupid.

This is priority of owners:

1. Solve Tampa

1a. Solve Oakland

2. Expand

3. Everything else. 

 

So to those of you opining about MLB wanting to relocate the Marlins.  

Stop.  Its not happening anytime soon.  

Read the fucking room. 

The reasons the Marlins sold to Sherman is mostly about Derek Jeter being involved and Jeff Loria wanting to sell to that group probably due to the Yankee factor I assume.

Or maybe Mas wasnt going to assume the debt.  Who knows, who cares.

It is not part of some secret scheme to relocate the Marlins. 

My bad.  I wrote 7 but I was looking at #17.  Miami/Ft. Lauderdale is 17th.  Still not a small market by any standard.  Either way, yes, they aren't moving the Marlins!  We can agree on that.

23 minutes ago, hovertical said:

I did say gradual increases not skyrocketing increases. Although it will be more if they decided to be smart and buy out some years if Jesus Lizard looks like this all year long for instance. 

Not really. Guys aren't getting front loaded deals in baseball (even though some should). All buy outs would do is keep 3-6 years from now 20-40% cheaper for that player.

Pablo and Rogers are *probably* the only buyout candidates. I think we'd want to see 2 years of performance for Luzardo (and Jazz) before signing them forever, but maybe this year is so good you have to do it. There is still a lot of volatility with these guys even if they have big years - look no further than Rogers who isn't exactly great right now even though he'll be fine longterm probably. I still think they'd have a ton of leverage with guys 3+ years away from free agency. I'm not too worried here. Just hoping they kick ass.

That being said, I am fully down to take swings for the fences with front loaded agreements. This would be a real industry changer if Ng wants to drop some bombs. Let's use Jazz as an example. Let's say it's a pretty nice 3+ WAR year and we all love him in a Javy Baez swing at everything way moving forward. They could probably easily sign him for say 6/$70. That's age 25-30 seasons and Jazz can still be a FA in his prime which is the player goal here. 2 free agency years for the Marlins. It works for everyone. I'm doing this quickly in my head so it may even be cheaper.

Why not pay Jazz $12-12-15-$12-$10-$9. You've effectively bought yourself a legitimate free agent his last 3 seasons by paying him more money now when your team is hella club controlled where that money means less. They should have done this with SANDY as imagine him at $16m in 2027 versus the $21m he's on the books for now. You're telling me you can't add $1m to each of the other years he is on the books? Or WAY more this year ($3.8m) to make him cheaper in the future to get guys to help him easier?

I've never understood why baseball teams don't do this on these deals. If you believe in this player for an arbitration buy-out, the contract is guaranteed already. Use your payroll as a weapon and cascade the years so you create this ultra-value 3-4 year window where (1) you have really beneficial contracts (cheaper Jazz/Rogers/Luzardo/others in 3-4 years), (2) you have club controlled players coming for cheap during those years (Watson, Eury, Eder, Mack, Salas, Fulton, etc.), and (3) you can OOMPH those years as you have nothing on the books and REALLY open payroll to make splashes (No Garcia, Soler, any other major contract today).

 

Anyways, if they did that, I'd have unbelievable confidence in them as I will take a "bloated" salary 23/24 if it means the current guys heading to arbitration are 50-66% their prices those years to really supplant the team with that extra player or three. That's the "real" window. They do have a big opportunity to do that with Luzardo/Jazz/Pablo/Rogers/maybe others if they perform this year. Interesting food for thought to see if they want to be smart with this.

If you think we're pissed about our team, you should see what Phillies fans are saying after that 8-7 loss to the Mets last night...

2 hours ago, CyggyMarlin said:

If you think we're pissed about our team, you should see what Phillies fans are saying after that 8-7 loss to the Mets last night...

The Phillies moving to Nashville too?  lol

6 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

The Phillies moving to Nashville too?  lol

I'm sure they'd like Girardi moving to Nashville, and that's putting it nicely

4 hours ago, MarlinsLou said:

Add in WPB and it's 8-10 range every year pretty consistently. I think that is fair also to add.

That's also a factor.  The South Florida market is large.  We're called a small market team because we're run like a small market team, but we're not a small market. 

Also, if the Marlins are smart, with all of the different latin ethnicities in South Florida, they would capitalize in South America.  We can be The America's team.  That would take too much of an ownership giving a fuck though.  

10 minutes ago, Rydawg said:

That's also a factor.  The South Florida market is large.  We're called a small market team because we're run like a small market team, but we're not a small market. 

Also, if the Marlins are smart, with all of the different latin ethnicities in South Florida, they would capitalize in South America.  We can be The America's team.  That would take too much of an ownership giving a fuck though.  

The blatant Cuba/latin pandering/all things Miami/ignoring the rest of south Florida of the last 4 years hasn't been enough?  haha.

8 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

The blatant Cuba/latin pandering/all things Miami/ignoring the rest of south Florida of the last 4 years hasn't been enough?  haha.

Not here in South Florida. I mean in South America.  We should market heavily there and have them adopt us as The America's team.  They'll watch out games and buy our Merch.  Just increase our reach.

By the way, Cuba isn't in South America.  🤪

50 minutes ago, CyggyMarlin said:

I'm sure they'd like Girardi moving to Nashville, and that's putting it nicely

They would like to have Mattingly their new manager. 

30 minutes ago, Rydawg said:

That's also a factor.  The South Florida market is large.  We're called a small market team because we're run like a small market team, but we're not a small market. 

Also, if the Marlins are smart, with all of the different latin ethnicities in South Florida, they would capitalize in South America.  We can be The America's team.  That would take too much of an ownership giving a fuck though.  

I agree completely. They are small market because they choose to be that. Miami fans are fickle, but there are a lot of people. Just build a good product!

3 million people live in Puerto Rico also. They should all be Marlins fans. Combine that with Miami/FTL/WPB and your "local" is #3 after NY and LA. It wouldn't work exactly like that, but it would make a dent. I don't think it's a stretch to play 2 series a year in PR (a 3 game and 2 game... have one of them be right after the all star break to mitigate travel). Maybe you open spring training there every year also and ship the AAA and AA team there once a year for a series. What you gain with that market is much more than losing gate at 5 home games. Do them on weekdays also. Also heavily invest in baseball academies, winter baseball, etc. there. Make real community efforts. SIGN CARLOS CORREA. THAT'LL HELP. You know, make an effort. We all know they've played out there before, but really commit on a forever annual basis. MLB isn't going to stop them to increase interest for negligible Miami home games.

It's just mind blowing how they can't make baseball work in Miami and take advantage of the Caribbean/Latin/South America communities. This isn't selling hockey. It's baseball.

Basically, if you build it

16 hours ago, Rydawg said:

Not here in South Florida. I mean in South America.  We should market heavily there and have them adopt us as The America's team.  They'll watch out games and buy our Merch.  Just increase our reach.

By the way, Cuba isn't in South America.  🤪

 

Ah, I misunderstood what you meant.....thought you were trying to say marketing to people of/from south American descent here.

Lol no shit Cuba isn't South America.....I was speaking more about the general pandering to a specific demographic, which clearly hasn't worked either.....almost as if regardless of demographic, people want to watch a winning team/product.

29 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

Lol no shit Cuba isn't South America.....

Did you know JP Arencibia was a catcher?

18 hours ago, Rydawg said:

That's also a factor.  The South Florida market is large.  We're called a small market team because we're run like a small market team, but we're not a small market. 

Also, if the Marlins are smart, with all of the different latin ethnicities in South Florida, they would capitalize in South America.  We can be The America's team.  That would take too much of an ownership giving a fuck though.  

It would take ownership that is local to Miami, but alas the carpetbagger Loria sold to the carpetbagger Sherman.

28 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

It would take ownership that is local to Miami, but alas the carpetbagger Loria sold to the carpetbagger Sherman.

Just give me like 20 years and for this penny stock I bought 250,000 shares of to take off ......