May 6, 20224 yr They always follow up long winning streaks with the matching or longer losing streaks. Or they sure seem to. I'm glad I didn't bother even considering tuning in tonight and watched actual entertaining tv instead. I'll probably skip tomorrows game as well. The level of continued utter incompetence and cheapness by this org is dumbfounding. Not sure what we did to be cursed with this level of ineptitude but we are.
May 6, 20224 yr It's playing just as Manfred wants it to. When he chose Jeter/Sherman over Mas part of his equation was handcuff the franchise by picking the cheap guy who will eventually move the franchise (it looks like to Nashville right now). Despite the lease restrictions I still do believe the Marlins will be moved. The diehard fans are now starting to leave and if they move towards a trade deadline 10-15 games below .500 and you're bleeding even the diehards now....it's over for any chance for this franchise to survive in Miami. Loandepot will be repurposed as the football home for the Hurricanes.....pooh pooh it now, but I know this town, that will probably happen . The Ruiz family have committed their $60 billion to making the U of Miami a power again in college football landscape. Life Wallet is a legit NIL company, and is not going to be shut down by the NCAA as what looks like many other schools NIL helper companies (which are nothing more than pay-for-play schemes) and they will be shut down. Edited May 6, 20224 yr by Fotog
May 6, 20224 yr Where are all those angry positive people from yesterday? They should bring that oxymoronic rage to this thread.
May 6, 20224 yr 3 hours ago, Fotog said: It's playing just as Manfred wants it to. When he chose Jeter/Sherman over Mas part of his equation was handcuff the franchise by picking the cheap guy who will eventually move the franchise (it looks like to Nashville right now). Despite the lease restrictions I still do believe the Marlins will be moved. The diehard fans are now starting to leave and if they move towards a trade deadline 10-15 games below .500 and you're bleeding even the diehards now....it's over for any chance for this franchise to survive in Miami. Loandepot will be repurposed as the football home for the Hurricanes.....pooh pooh it now, but I know this town, that will probably happen . The Ruiz family have committed their $60 billion to making the U of Miami a power again in college football landscape. Life Wallet is a legit NIL company, and is not going to be shut down by the NCAA as what looks like many other schools NIL helper companies (which are nothing more than pay-for-play schemes) and they will be shut down.
May 6, 20224 yr Jesus Sanchez has been on an awful slide. Thought he was gonna be more consistent than this. It's early but.
May 6, 20224 yr 9 hours ago, hovertical said: They always follow up long winning streaks with the matching or longer losing streaks. Or they sure seem to. I'm glad I didn't bother even considering tuning in tonight and watched actual entertaining tv instead. I'll probably skip tomorrows game as well. The level of continued utter incompetence and cheapness by this org is dumbfounding. Not sure what we did to be cursed with this level of ineptitude but we are. Welcome to the party! But as not watching games as I am beyond angry they didn't get the last bats (e.g. CF), I can assure you, you will still be annoyed looking at box scores, seeing a highlight, and reading about the team. They are unfortunately as frustrating as I expected before the season. They failed to get the final 2-3 pieces. I am glad you brought up cheapness - YES. This is the core problem. If Bruce would approve a $110m payroll (22nd overall, not a large ask with this SP!), they could have NOT signed Soler or Garcia (pick one), DFA'd Aguilar.... and they would have over $55m to spend on 3-4 players. This is effectively call it Correa, Rizzo, and trading for B. Reynolds. They could have EASILY done this for a $110m payroll and trading say Watson/Eury, Cabrera, and Bleday for B. Reynolds. Sucks to lose the prospects, but this is a playoff team for $30m more in payroll. It's 10+ wins better than today. Stallings, Henry Rizzo, Cooper Jazz, Berti Correa, Rojas Anderson, Wendle J. Sanchez B. Reynolds Garcia Sandy, Rogers, Pablo, Luzardo, Hernandez Floro, Bender, Bass, Sulser, Poteet/Head/Pop Bleier, Scott, Okert AAA - Meyer, Sixto (eventually), Eder (eventually), other suitable RP AAA - Burdick, Lewin, Fortes Hell, you could even not sign Garcia, kick Anderson to RF, and sign just a normal bench OF (or keep everyone's favorite DLC) and payroll is under $100m. Or trade for Marsh with Pablo on top of this (minus Garcia) and have amazing OF redundancy, and use the "garcia and pablo" money to sign a $15m a year SP. Or, Tepera + Duffy. The hypotheticals are endless and all the roads lead back to ownership being cheap AF and not giving them the resources they need to succeed - which is mind numbing because the ask is to be 22nd lowest in payroll. That's all they need to do. Be in the low 20s in payroll. This is a CHEAP issue first and foremost. And its unforgivable with this pitching (rotation under $10m COMBINED), and the other cheap core (Sanchez, Jazz, Rojas, Wendle, Anderson, Stallings, Cooper - these 7 guys make roughly $22m. Nothing for roughly 6+ starting players) they have built.
May 6, 20224 yr 29 minutes ago, MarlinsLou said: Welcome to the party! But as not watching games as I am beyond angry they didn't get the last bats (e.g. CF), I can assure you, you will still be annoyed looking at box scores, seeing a highlight, and reading about the team. They are unfortunately as frustrating as I expected before the season. They failed to get the final 2-3 pieces. I am glad you brought up cheapness - YES. This is the core problem. If Bruce would approve a $110m payroll (22nd overall, not a large ask with this SP!), they could have NOT signed Soler or Garcia (pick one), DFA'd Aguilar.... and they would have over $55m to spend on 3-4 players. This is effectively call it Correa, Rizzo, and trading for B. Reynolds. They could have EASILY done this for a $110m payroll and trading say Watson/Eury, Cabrera, and Bleday for B. Reynolds. Sucks to lose the prospects, but this is a playoff team for $30m more in payroll. It's 10+ wins better than today. Stallings, Henry Rizzo, Cooper Jazz, Berti Correa, Rojas Anderson, Wendle J. Sanchez B. Reynolds Garcia Sandy, Rogers, Pablo, Luzardo, Hernandez Floro, Bender, Bass, Sulser, Poteet/Head/Pop Bleier, Scott, Okert AAA - Meyer, Sixto (eventually), Eder (eventually), other suitable RP AAA - Burdick, Lewin, Fortes Hell, you could even not sign Garcia, kick Anderson to RF, and sign just a normal bench OF (or keep everyone's favorite DLC) and payroll is under $100m. Or trade for Marsh with Pablo on top of this (minus Garcia) and have amazing OF redundancy, and use the "garcia and pablo" money to sign a $15m a year SP. Or, Tepera + Duffy. The hypotheticals are endless and all the roads lead back to ownership being cheap AF and not giving them the resources they need to succeed - which is mind numbing because the ask is to be 22nd lowest in payroll. That's all they need to do. Be in the low 20s in payroll. This is a CHEAP issue first and foremost. And its unforgivable with this pitching (rotation under $10m COMBINED), and the other cheap core (Sanchez, Jazz, Rojas, Wendle, Anderson, Stallings, Cooper - these 7 guys make roughly $22m. Nothing for roughly 6+ starting players) they have built. This is also why next year will be more of the same especially with gradual increases of the cost of the starting rotation and now being stuck with 2/3 of their OF using up about 1/3 of their shoestring budget. I have a feeling they view this past off-season as their "big" budget increase. There's nothing to hint otherwise. Having a GM go on tv and tout 100% made up facts about their "big off-season" acquisitions only drives that point home.
May 6, 20224 yr 7 minutes ago, hovertical said: This is also why next year will be more of the same especially with gradual increases of the cost of the starting rotation and now being stuck with 2/3 of their OF using up about 1/3 of their shoestring budget. I have a feeling they view this past off-season as their "big" budget increase. There's nothing to hint otherwise. Having a GM go on tv and tout 100% made up facts about their "big off-season" acquisitions only drives that point home. To quib, the SP costs don't go up next year really. Sandy jumps $2.5m but Rogers, Meyer, and Cabrera are club controlled (call it $2.5 million combined which is a major over estimation). Luzardo is Super2 it looks like so he'll make $3m-ish. This is like a $12.5m rotation - and call it $17m if Pablo stays and isn't traded. I think Pablo gets traded. As for general arbitration increases though (Wendle, Anderson, Stallings, some relivers).... they also have Aguilar and Bass coming off the books ($9+m), and guys like Floro (trade) or Berti can be shed easily for CC replacements so that will all be a wash OR a little gained. They'll be able to field the exact same team next year for $75m (maybe a bit under), with the only substantial change being 1 SP will eventually be moved for a bat. That should be a better team given that bat should be really good as Pablo is really good.... and then we are here doing this same thing - are they going to sign the major free agent or not? I'm talking Correa when he inevitably opts out. Will Bruce go to $100-110m next year to field an actual contender? This goes to your there is nothing to hint otherwise. Are they going to choose to be .500ish again, or go for it?
May 6, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, SonOfJack said: 1 game under .500 with a positive run differential. The team isn't over/under achieving. This is who they are. .500ish depending on 1 run game/Extra inning variances. They don't suck. It's as average as it can get. Maybe Bruce thinks spending bottom 5 money to be the 16th best team is a win? Good value am I right? Just change this to OWNERSHIP sucks.
May 6, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, Vic D said: Jesus Sanchez has been on an awful slide. Thought he was gonna be more consistent than this. It's early but. He's not going to hit over .220 if he can't adjust to high fastballs. Ever since the Braves series, he's 5-for-40 with 18 strikeouts and almost all of those strikeouts have been on high fastballs.
May 6, 20224 yr 12 hours ago, Michael said: 5 / 5 for five losses in a row. And four one run games! The good news is that the Marlins fired their manager in June of 2011. The bad news is that they also went 5-23 that month...
May 6, 20224 yr 11 hours ago, Fotog said: It's playing just as Manfred wants it to. When he chose Jeter/Sherman over Mas part of his equation was handcuff the franchise by picking the cheap guy who will eventually move the franchise (it looks like to Nashville right now). Despite the lease restrictions I still do believe the Marlins will be moved. The diehard fans are now starting to leave and if they move towards a trade deadline 10-15 games below .500 and you're bleeding even the diehards now....it's over for any chance for this franchise to survive in Miami. Loandepot will be repurposed as the football home for the Hurricanes.....pooh pooh it now, but I know this town, that will probably happen . The Ruiz family have committed their $60 billion to making the U of Miami a power again in college football landscape. Life Wallet is a legit NIL company, and is not going to be shut down by the NCAA as what looks like many other schools NIL helper companies (which are nothing more than pay-for-play schemes) and they will be shut down. I'm sorry, with respect, this is asinine. First, they have that 30 year lease. They can't just walk away from that. Unless, MLB wants to buy out the lease which is unlikely. More importantly, why would MLB or Manfred want to walk away from the 7th largest TV market in the country? To Nashville of all places? Especially when you have the Ray's and Oakland without stadiums that would likely be moved before the Marlins? I don't think you've thought this thru and are just reacting emotionally. Manfred probably picked Jeter because he's baseball royalty and because they want more minorities as owners in baseball. There's nothing more to it than that. Also, if that was the plan, Jeter would have to be on board. So, why would he resign? Again, your theory doesn't add up. This team is going to surprise. My advice to you is to relax, sit down, have a coke and a smile and enjoy the Marlins.
May 6, 20224 yr 9 hours ago, Major-Minor said: Where are all those angry positive people from yesterday? They should bring that oxymoronic rage to this thread. Angry positive?
May 6, 20224 yr Surprise? The surprise is that they managed to pull off a winning streak with several players below the Mendoza line.
May 6, 20224 yr Author 2 hours ago, FishFan95 said: The good news is that the Marlins fired their manager in June of 2011. The bad news is that they also went 5-23 that month... Edwin resigned, man.
May 6, 20224 yr 4 hours ago, MarlinsLou said: To quib, the SP costs don't go up next year really. Sandy jumps $2.5m but Rogers, Meyer, and Cabrera are club controlled (call it $2.5 million combined which is a major over estimation). Luzardo is Super2 it looks like so he'll make $3m-ish. This is like a $12.5m rotation - and call it $17m if Pablo stays and isn't traded. I think Pablo gets traded. As for general arbitration increases though (Wendle, Anderson, Stallings, some relivers).... they also have Aguilar and Bass coming off the books ($9+m), and guys like Floro (trade) or Berti can be shed easily for CC replacements so that will all be a wash OR a little gained. They'll be able to field the exact same team next year for $75m (maybe a bit under), with the only substantial change being 1 SP will eventually be moved for a bat. That should be a better team given that bat should be really good as Pablo is really good.... and then we are here doing this same thing - are they going to sign the major free agent or not? I'm talking Correa when he inevitably opts out. Will Bruce go to $100-110m next year to field an actual contender? This goes to your there is nothing to hint otherwise. Are they going to choose to be .500ish again, or go for it? I did say gradual increases not skyrocketing increases. Although it will be more if they decided to be smart and buy out some years if Jesus Lizard looks like this all year long for instance.
May 6, 20224 yr 1 hour ago, Rydawg said: More importantly, why would MLB or Manfred want to walk away from the 7th largest TV market in the country? To Nashville of all places? Especially when you have the Ray's and Oakland without stadiums that would likely be moved before the Marlins? I don't think you've thought this thru and are just reacting emotionally. Under what metric is Miami the 7th largest TV market in the country? https://oaaa.org/Portals/0/Public PDFs/OAAA 2021 NIELSEN DMA Rankings Report.pdf Further any talk about MLB wanting to move the Marlins is stupid. This is priority of owners: 1. Solve Tampa 1a. Solve Oakland 2. Expand 3. Everything else. So to those of you opining about MLB wanting to relocate the Marlins. Stop. Its not happening anytime soon. Read the fucking room. The reasons the Marlins sold to Sherman is mostly about Derek Jeter being involved and Jeff Loria wanting to sell to that group probably due to the Yankee factor I assume. Or maybe Mas wasnt going to assume the debt. Who knows, who cares. It is not part of some secret scheme to relocate the Marlins.
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