Bryan

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2110920 "Abdur-Rahim might be coming at less than half the price of Martin, but he isn't half the player. Abdur-Rahim, who is 28, has averaged 19 points per game and 8.1 rebounds per game for his career. Last season he struggled through injuries, but still managed 16.8 ppg and 7.1 rpg. Martin has averaged 12.4 ppg and 5.1 rpg for his career and had 15.5 ppg and 7.3 rpg for the Nuggets last season. If the Nets land Abdur-Rahim for the mid-level exception, look for new owner Bruce Ratner to keep spending money. The Nets still own their full mid-level exception. Their next signing could be free-agent guard Keyon Dooling with part of their mid-level exception. The Nets are looking for a combo guard who can help Jason Kidd keep his minutes down to about 30 a night. They seem to have narrowed in on Dooling as their guy. If the Nets are forced to use their mid-level on Abdur-Rahim, they'll still have until July 29th to use their $5 million trade exception to acquire another free agent. " This makes the Nets the fourth best team in the Eastern Conference - Still having the MLE to work with the Nets could sign 2 more solid players or 1 very good player to add to the bench. Depending on who they get, they could move up on the totem pole even higher.

First things first, Varitek can't p***y out again -- NO FIGHTING WITH YOUR MASK ON! I'd like to see these 4 throw down in a tag team matchup - Gary Sheffield and Alex Rodriguez (Yes despite being a p***y off the field, on the field the guy is a very tough dude - If you say otherwise you need to get your homer goggles off) vs. David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez. That would be a good one. As far as this poll, I think I have to go with the Red Sox. Mostly because of their bullpen - Timlin and Embree look like they could be pretty tough guys.

You were saved tonight by a bad situation and a re-building and bad Sox bullpen. We still beat your starters ass and get to beat down on your play-doh rotation the rest of this series. Yuck it up on a summer day in July...Ill smoke my AL East Division Crown Cigar in September. Cheers! 856198[/snapback] So...What happened to beating us down the next 3 games against our play-doh pitching? :whistle 1 out of 4 doesn't count!

It wouldn't have been Rivera's fault if the Red Sox had tied it... Cano threw away a double play ball, then he gave up a single, and a bloop. Thats why I hate the blown save stat. It shouldn't have been a problem, there shouldve been two out and no on, but because the fielder screwed up - Its considered a negative stat for the pitcher.

1 2/3 5 ER 5 H 3 BB

I think Verlander needs to be moved right below Hernandez. He's been absolutely lights out. I guess everyone is still convinced he'll lose his control.

Yes, thats what the rotoworld article says too. I guess you didn't read it. If you did you would know that it says that the GM who brokered the trade tells it differently then the press release. In which case, Id believe the GM who brokered the trade. Im sure SI.com is copying the press release.

No biggie, I'd rather 400 G's than 0 858876[/snapback] Of course, it wasn't going to work out for Al there. If he can give the Yankees anything at all it'll be good. It works out for both sides.

Doesn't look like you'll get a PTBNL at all. From RotoWorld- "The Yankees' press release says there's a player to be named involved, but GM Brian Cashman is saying it's a straight cash transaction. The Yankees are expected to pay $400,000 of the $2.8 million Leiter is owed over the rest of the year. Leiter was added to the 25-man roster and will start tomorrow against the Red Sox. It's pretty hard to like his chances of helping the Yankees, but he's probably a better choice than Darrell May, Tim Redding or Aaron Small. The Bombers still need to have some interest in Shawn Chacon. Jul. 16 - 6:33 pm et" Cashman says there is no PTBNL, and that the Yankees will only be paying 400K on Al. I think Ill trust the guy who brokered the deal. Just thought I'd give you the update.

good. give us some return on our investment. 856858[/snapback] Its being reported that the Marlins in the end will get no player back in the deal, and that the Yankees are paying just 400K of Leiter's contract. If the 5 inning wonder can even give us 2 average starts out of 15 - for 400K, it was worth it. 858592[/snapback] Not true, the Marlins are paying only approximately 3.5 million of his contract and the Yankees are picking up the rest, and the Marlins also get a PTBNL, most likely a guy from A ball. 858701[/snapback] Its not untrue. You need to get your facts lined up before declaring falsity in a statement. You heard that the Marlins are picking about 3.5 million of his contract. Thats right, you are....Of the remaining contract. Which means you end up saving about 400K. 8-4 (already paid) - 3.6 (paying still) = 7.6. Thats 400K. Dont start saying my posts arent true when you don't have your facts straight. The Marlins will NOT get a player back in this deal, Brian Cashman - the Yankees GM - who I am 99.9% certain knows more than you says the Yankees aren't giving up a player. Im not sure if its because it hinges on Leiter's performance with the Yankees or not, but dont expect anything assuming it does. EDIT: From RotoWorld- "The Yankees' press release says there's a player to be named involved, but GM Brian Cashman is saying it's a straight cash transaction. The Yankees are expected to pay $400,000 of the $2.8 million Leiter is owed over the rest of the year. Leiter was added to the 25-man roster and will start tomorrow against the Red Sox. It's pretty hard to like his chances of helping the Yankees, but he's probably a better choice than Darrell May, Tim Redding or Aaron Small. The Bombers still need to have some interest in Shawn Chacon. Jul. 16 - 6:33 pm et" Don't question my credibility when you didn't even take the time to do the math or find out from an article somewhere. Thanks!

good. give us some return on our investment. 856858[/snapback] Its being reported that the Marlins in the end will get no player back in the deal, and that the Yankees are paying just 400K of Leiter's contract. If the 5 inning wonder can even give us 2 average starts out of 15 - for 400K, it was worth it.

Odds are that's what you're getting from the Yankees - Nothing. A 25 year old A ball player, so it's not much more than a pack of bubble gum. Considering you're paying probably 7 of the 8 million it works out for both sides. I'd rather take my chances with the 5 inning wonder than Darrel May or Sean Henn - Im sure you'll all agree.

Momentum is as good as the next days starter. Duh!

All the comments Curtsy made about A-Rod in the offseason...to have him hit a home run off him to win a ballgame? Couldn't have scripted it any better. BTW - Mo strikes out the side to save it, take that Rivera haters. 856159[/snapback] A-Rod Rings: 0 Curt Schilling Rings: 1 856180[/snapback] A Rod: Hall of Famer Schilling: not a Hall of Famer 856323[/snapback] And as a Red Sox fan that would matter to me how? I couldnt care less about A-Rod's personal accomplishments....he will always be a 25 million dollar a year me first player and wont win a ring... 856326[/snapback] That's freaking assanine Passion. Baseball is a team game played single player by single player. What's me first about him, the fact that he is hitting .320? The fact that he has 25 homers? The fact that he switched positions so to not upset team balance? The fact that he was willing to take a heavy pay cut to go to the Red Sox just to win? It's a singular-team game. A-Rod does all he can to help the Yankees win. If the Yankees don't win, how is it his fault? Come on, you're letting you're ANTI-A-ROD ideals ruin your viewpoint again.

man? haslem? is a? sstand? up? guy.....? for? him? not? to take? all that money? somehwere? else? just teels? you where? this guys? head? is at......? i? guess? he know? got a? million? and? ya set? for? life......... 853972[/snapback] Odom006! :notworthy hehe anyway, great news. couldn't be more happy to have him back. Good to hear. Haslems like the HEATS Luis Castillo. I always liked The Big U, and Im glad he's back. I heard through the grape vine the Jason Kidd might be interested in comming to the Heat. 854106[/snapback] unless the nets cut him this summer, that is in no way ever going to happen. 854159[/snapback] yeah, just another unrealistic offseason rumor. 854161[/snapback] true and you wont win with jason kidd anyway. there are just certain players that are more about numbers than wins. jason kidd is one of those. i'm still thankful we didnt get him in the summer of 2003. 854178[/snapback] Ah...Das is always here to clutter up the board with his blind hatred for everything to do with the New Jersey Nets. Everyone disregard any comments Das Texan makes about the New Jersey Nets Organization, any Net current players, and all past players. He will look at them through his San Antonio colored glasses and bash them relentlessly in hopes of filling your mind with crap. I dont know what the Nets did to him - But if the Nets won three titles in a row, he would call it a fluke. Jason Kidd is a winner fine. He brought the Nets to the Finals back-to-back years and almost pulled off winning with Jason Collins starting at the center position. Don't give me that crap. I'd love to see any player currently in the league take Jason Kidd's spot in the Nets and win an NBA title with them. I'm not even going to check this thread again to sort through you're trolling trash that you just love to spill all over the Nets because in the end you and I know anyone can twist their side of the arguement until it works...So I'll leave you with this.... See ya in the Finals next year, Das. Kidd/Stoudamire Carter/Wright Jefferson/Wright Abdur-Rahim/Evans Krstic/Collins Ta-ta. 854276[/snapback] so who is signing for the LLE? and for that matter who will be signing for the minimum. last i checked the nets were over the cap. you have the MLE and the LLE. you want to sign 3 players there. who gets what? or are the nets going to make some remarkable trades of their roster junk for SAR in a sign and trade? realism often outweighs fantasy. sorry. the window for kidd has closed. 854702[/snapback] Hell, I am bored. I checked this thread again. S+T for SAR. TE + 1st round pick for SAR. Then split the MLE on Evans and Stoudamire. What's so far in the fantasy world there? Obviously you didn't know the Nets had a trade exception!

HE HAS A PERFECT GAME OH MY GOD!

Passion - At least we can keep eachothers hatred-driven posts in check. Craig - I think these games are also more fun, mostly because while it is still somewhat likely, it's not certain that both teams are going to make the playoffs. Winning the division may mean something.

I see what you mean... I dont like A-Rod, wont deny it, and I am pissed...so I posted something childish...the type of crap that gets my own feathers ruffled ALOT including how this thread was started 'Take that Red Sox Nation' - lame. Point taken. 856252[/snapback] Thats why this is the best rivalry, it's hard for even the most even keel/non-homer people to keep their anti-opposition sentiments out of their mind. That's how deep the hatred runs. BTW, I'm sure I would have reacted the same way you did had the tables been turned.

All the comments Curtsy made about A-Rod in the offseason...to have him hit a home run off him to win a ballgame? Couldn't have scripted it any better. BTW - Mo strikes out the side to save it, take that Rivera haters. 856159[/snapback] A-Rod Rings: 0 Curt Schilling Rings: 1 856180[/snapback] 2 actually. That's quite irrelevant to the arguement. I love how you get so defensive. Alls I said was I couldnt have scripted it any better. It couldn't have been. By the way, you're talking to the wrong teams fans about World Championship rings. Enjoy the loss! P.S. - Feel that breath on the back of your neck...Who do you think it is? :mischief2 856190[/snapback] Like you wouldnt do the same thing in a reverse situation....A-Rod can have his regular season walk-off homer...You were saved tonight by a bad situation and a re-building and bad Sox bullpen. We still beat your starters ass and get to beat down on your play-doh rotation the rest of this series. Yuck it up on a summer day in July...Ill smoke my AL East Division Crown Cigar in September. Cheers! 856198[/snapback] Very, very defensive stuff from Mr. Passion tonight. You must understand this makes it all the more sweet. So wait, your bullpen is a rebuilding/bad situation, but the Yankees bullpen is play-doh...Hm.... If I'm not mistaken, the Yankees beat YOUR starters ass too. So that evens out. I'm not yucking it up at all, I have said for quite a while now the Yankees are not good, and the Yankees are not "back" when everyone else has jumped on the bandwagon. It seems to me you came here looking for someones comments to argue with. But when you come on a message board after a very tough loss, I'm sure you'll look very hard to find a fight to make up for your emotional beatdown...Heh... I guess thats something you'll just have to deal with. See you around! 856209[/snapback] I didnt come here to argue with comments...but I did come here to post my thoughts on the game and interact with the other users on here (you know, the point of a message board?)...most of them know me well enough to know how I post and how I am regarding the Red Sox and baseball in general. If you read my post...I said the Yankees rotation is play-doh not the pen. The Yankees have the best stopper in the game...bar none...Im not going to knock on the Yank bullpen. And if you are getting your rocks off to some guy on a message board. I didnt start anything with my post...which you probably didnt even read as I gave props to the Yankees despite all the troubles they have had. You must not come around here often as I am one of the few posters who squashes down blind yankee hate on here...Yankee fans like Quick Gold can attest to that...But am I going to be a bit testy after a hard, sumb loss to the rival? Your damn right...if you arent, you dont have a heartbeat anymore. 856220[/snapback] About the "play-doh" rotation part, I apologize I misread. You DID come on here looking for a bit of an argument with your "Schilling: 1, A-Rod: 0" comment when it was irrelevant to what I posted. You did it just to take out some of your anger, and you directed it at me because it made you feel better. You can't deny it now. It's something in the past. If you didn't read under my name I'm one of the first members of MarlinsBaseball.com and have been visiting MarlinsBaseball.com back to the ezboard days and I check this board quite often. You seem to be a pretty even keel fan most of the time. But, this time you made a comment just for the sake of taking a shot at someone, just to take the wind out of my sails because you wanted to make yourself feel better! Like I said earlier, it's something you DID you can't go back on it. You're normally a very even keel posted but this time you came looking for a fight to make yourself feel better. No need for the argumentative comments.

All the comments Curtsy made about A-Rod in the offseason...to have him hit a home run off him to win a ballgame? Couldn't have scripted it any better. BTW - Mo strikes out the side to save it, take that Rivera haters. 856159[/snapback] A-Rod Rings: 0 Curt Schilling Rings: 1 856180[/snapback] 2 actually. That's quite irrelevant to the arguement. I love how you get so defensive. Alls I said was I couldnt have scripted it any better. It couldn't have been. By the way, you're talking to the wrong teams fans about World Championship rings. Enjoy the loss! P.S. - Feel that breath on the back of your neck...Who do you think it is? :mischief2 856190[/snapback] Like you wouldnt do the same thing in a reverse situation....A-Rod can have his regular season walk-off homer...You were saved tonight by a bad situation and a re-building and bad Sox bullpen. We still beat your starters ass and get to beat down on your play-doh rotation the rest of this series. Yuck it up on a summer day in July...Ill smoke my AL East Division Crown Cigar in September. Cheers! 856198[/snapback] Very, very defensive stuff from Mr. Passion tonight. You must understand this makes it all the more sweet. So wait, your bullpen is a rebuilding/bad situation, but the Yankees bullpen is play-doh...Hm.... If I'm not mistaken, the Yankees beat YOUR starters ass too. So that evens out. I'm not yucking it up at all, I have said for quite a while now the Yankees are not good, and the Yankees are not "back" when everyone else has jumped on the bandwagon. It seems to me you came here looking for someones comments to argue with. I guess when come on a message board after a very tough loss, you'll look very hard to find a fight to make up for your emotional beatdown...Heh... I guess thats something you'll just have to deal with. See you around!

All the comments Curtsy made about A-Rod in the offseason...to have him hit a home run off him to win a ballgame? Couldn't have scripted it any better. BTW - Mo strikes out the side to save it, take that Rivera haters. 856159[/snapback] A-Rod Rings: 0 Curt Schilling Rings: 1 856180[/snapback] 2 actually. That's quite irrelevant to the arguement. I love how you get so defensive. Alls I said was I couldnt have scripted it any better. It couldn't have been. By the way, you're talking to the wrong teams fans about World Championship rings. Enjoy the loss! P.S. - Feel that breath on the back of your neck...Who do you think it is? :mischief2

All the comments Curtsy made about A-Rod in the offseason...to have him hit a home run off him to win a ballgame? Couldn't have scripted it any better. BTW - Mo strikes out the side to save it, take that Rivera haters.

He's better than Tim Redding or Darrel May... Good trade as long as it's Kevin Thompson they are sending back to Colorado.

Or how about the 8 Mil the Marlins handed Leiter? Prett HIlarious 855148[/snapback] HAHA! This is the best one here! I agree, hilarious! ... If he's done for the year, I hope the Yankees bite their tongue - hold on to Cano, Duncan Cabs and Hughes. They are studs. Wait til next year.

man? haslem? is a? sstand? up? guy.....? for? him? not? to take? all that money? somehwere? else? just teels? you where? this guys? head? is at......? i? guess? he know? got a? million? and? ya set?? for? life......... 853972[/snapback] Odom006! :notworthy hehe anyway, great news. couldn't be more happy to have him back. Good to hear. Haslems like the HEATS Luis Castillo. I always liked The Big U, and Im glad he's back. I heard through the grape vine the Jason Kidd might be interested in comming to the Heat. 854106[/snapback] unless the nets cut him this summer, that is in no way ever going to happen. 854159[/snapback] yeah, just another unrealistic offseason rumor. 854161[/snapback] true and you wont win with jason kidd anyway. there are just certain players that are more about numbers than wins. jason kidd is one of those. i'm still thankful we didnt get him in the summer of 2003. 854178[/snapback] Ah...Das is always here to clutter up the board with his blind hatred for everything to do with the New Jersey Nets. Everyone disregard any comments Das Texan makes about the New Jersey Nets Organization, any Net current players, and all past players. He will look at them through his San Antonio colored glasses and bash them relentlessly in hopes of filling your mind with crap. I dont know what the Nets did to him - But if the Nets won three titles in a row, he would call it a fluke. Jason Kidd is a winner fine. He brought the Nets to the Finals back-to-back years and almost pulled off winning with Jason Collins starting at the center position. Don't give me that crap. I'd love to see any player currently in the league take Jason Kidd's spot in the Nets and win an NBA title with them. I'm not even going to check this thread again to sort through you're trolling trash that you just love to spill all over the Nets because in the end you and I know anyone can twist their side of the arguement until it works...So I'll leave you with this.... See ya in the Finals next year, Das. Kidd/Stoudamire Carter/Wright Jefferson/Wright Abdur-Rahim/Evans Krstic/Collins Ta-ta.