Sorry but Nate and Fox Blew the game...

[babaru]

I have never gotten so irritated before, GOD throw a strike! Fox HAD been sorta consistent before this but not totally. Hell I'd rather have him throwing between 91-93 and throwing strikes than 94-97 and walking the bases loaded. bump seemed like a child lost in the largest mall on earth. he allowed the first two hits on two strike counts, and then gave castilla, a first ball fast ball hitter, you guessed it... a fastball. whatever ill probably wake up tomorrow and forget all of this so please dont get to excited about this one. :confused

[Libelula]

Don't blame them. Fox had already said he wasn't feeling good and his slider is terrible in Coors. And Bump would have never been in the situation if it wasn't for Fox. And Fox wouldn't have been in the game if it wasn't for Jack McKeon. And Jack McKeon wouldn't had put Fox in if it wasn't for Oliver. And we wouldn't even have Oliver if AJ was healthy. And AJ isn't healthy because Torborg overused him.

 

Therefore, I blame this on JEF TORBORG.

[Guest Juanky]

Fox's slider isn't breaking, that is a Coors problem I think. We'll see this weekend if his slider starts breaking again or not.

 

Bump has been recovering fine. He came in and got two key Ks and almost nailed down the third on Clayton, but he fouled off some pitches and guessed right on the fastball. Giving up a hit to Vinny Castilla isn't something rare, and everyone has bad experiences anyways.

 

Maybe this is the pen becoming human again. Maybe this is the pen just being affected by Coors Field. We find out starting on Thursday (or whenever our starters not named Oliver decide to let the pen pitch).

[Shaq-Man]

bump and fox blew it?

 

i suppose singlehandedly setting the all-time record for most HRs allowed by a marlins pitcher in one game doesn't count as blowing it?

[Das Texan]

bump and fox blew it?

 

i suppose singlehandedly setting the all-time record for most HRs allowed by a marlins pitcher in one game doesn't count as blowing it?

guess not.

[Hotcorner]

Oliver sucks, that's not under debate.

 

I'd like to say that after Fox loaded the bases McKeon should've just bit the bullet & put Armando in.

 

You can't save your closer in for the 9th if someone blows the lead in the 8th.

 

But I mean.... hell, someone in this bullpen has got to get people out other than Benitez.

 

Maybe they should've just left Wayne in to pitch the 8th too. I'm just hoping Fox's troubles don't last.

 

Beckett is going to need to last tomorrow. Pen's beat up.

[Ashley]

I don't think Bump blew it at all. He was put into a bases loaded situation with no outs.. he didn't cause that. He struck out the first 2 batters for the first 2 outs, and allowed 1 hit which scored 2 runners, big wow! I really don't think he should have walked anybody purposely though, that sucked... :confused

[Guest Juanky]

I agree, I would have prefered to see Armando in that situation. No disrespect to Bump, because he has gotten out of those situations before, but he is better when he comes in at the beginning of the inning. Also, Benitez is the hot hand, he has proven it this season so far, and he has shown he can go two innings effectively and have no problems (against Philadelphia and Atlanta). With a 10-8 lead, bases loaded no outs and the top of the order getting ready to hit you have to send in the cheese. No excuses.

[Ashley]

Yea, and i agree that they should have left Wayne in for a little longer, becuz lately Fox hasn't been at his best. And I had a bad feeling when he walked onto that mound... :confused

[Guest Juanky]

Naw, taking Wayne out was the right move because the way the offenses were playing we needed extra runs (proof by the 5 run explosion in the 8th).

[marlins24]

If Justin Wanye could start why not leave him in for at least one more inning.?. :mischief2

 

Jack seems to leave starters in too long and taking releivers out too early especially when the relievers are pitching well.

[FishFanPR]

Bottom line here is that DO sucks, he's getting the crap beat out of him, and I personally don't care if he's pitching on Coors or wherever. You're a pitcher, your job is to pitch no matter what the conditions are!!! As for the bullpen, they've only collapsed a couple of times so far...and for those that say that Benitez should've come in...you can't use your closer every single game of the season, or we won't have a closer come September!

[Guest Juanky]

If Justin Wanye could start why not leave him in for at least one more inning.?. :mischief2

 

Jack seems to leave starters in too long and taking releivers out too early especially when the relievers are pitching well.

The reason he was taken out wasn't because of flaws or lack thereof on the field, but because his spot was leading off the inning in the lineup and the score at the time was tied.

[Flamarlins3]

I agree, I would have prefered to see Armando in that situation. No disrespect to Bump, because he has gotten out of those situations before, but he is better when he comes in at the beginning of the inning. Also, Benitez is the hot hand, he has proven it this season so far, and he has shown he can go two innings effectively and have no problems (against Philadelphia and Atlanta). With a 10-8 lead, bases loaded no outs and the top of the order getting ready to hit you have to send in the cheese. No excuses.

We do that and then he blows up two days from now we criticize Jack for over using him

[rferry]

There's only one time this year when I thought McKeon left a starter in too long: Sunday night, Willis should not have thrown as many pitches. All the other times I felt confident enough in them to get out of the inning. Even Oliver last night I thought it was better to let him continue when our bullpen has been tapped way too much recently.

 

Bump needs rest. Fox probably too. Wayne might, but I think he has the starter's stamina to pitch a 100 pitches over 3 or 4 appearances over 5 days (which is what he would have done if he wasn't PH for OMKNunez and pitched the 8th).

 

Free Tommy Phelps! He's got a good arm and has just been unfortunate to be pitching in the same innings as a tired Nate Bump.

[Shamrock]

I agree, I would have prefered to see Armando in that situation. No disrespect to Bump, because he has gotten out of those situations before, but he is better when he comes in at the beginning of the inning. Also, Benitez is the hot hand, he has proven it this season so far, and he has shown he can go two innings effectively and have no problems (against Philadelphia and Atlanta). With a 10-8 lead, bases loaded no outs and the top of the order getting ready to hit you have to send in the cheese. No excuses.

I gotta agree with the juanker here. Bring in your relief ace at the most critical juncture in the game. If your arn't winning in the 9th you can't use him anyway. Jack has been good about this in previous games, but I question last nights call.

[djm305]

Actually BUMP got the first 2 guys on strikeouts, that was huge! I mean he gave up a hit after that and it was magnified because of the bases loaded jam he came in. After that hit, as a coach you can either say ok (2 strikeouts and a hit, let him face another batter? or bring in Benitez?) I mean BUMP made that mistake and then made another one. As a coach you can't see that coming so second guessing is easy, he did look good against the first 2 batters. I don't blame McKeon completely for this loss we had lots of guys fail us at diffrent points in the game. But whatever the beauty of baseball is that we start fresh at 0-0 again today so tomamrow doesn't matter. Remember that Boston game when Pavano gave up 10 runs in the first?

[minus]

Fox put Bump in a difficult situation.I don't see why people placing the blame on Bump.

[jonnylons]

Don't blame them. Fox had already said he wasn't feeling good and his slider is terrible in Coors. And Bump would have never been in the situation if it wasn't for Fox. And Fox wouldn't have been in the game if it wasn't for Jack McKeon. And Jack McKeon wouldn't had put Fox in if it wasn't for Oliver. And we wouldn't even have Oliver if AJ was healthy. And AJ isn't healthy because Torborg overused him.

 

Therefore, I blame this on JEF TORBORG.

hahaha!!! :lol

[FreshFish]

Don't blame them. Fox had already said he wasn't feeling good and his slider is terrible in Coors. And Bump would have never been in the situation if it wasn't for Fox. And Fox wouldn't have been in the game if it wasn't for Jack McKeon. And Jack McKeon wouldn't had put Fox in if it wasn't for Oliver. And we wouldn't even have Oliver if AJ was healthy. And AJ isn't healthy because Torborg overused him.

 

Therefore, I blame this on JEF TORBORG.

hahaha!!! :lol Post of the year!

[jonnylons]

Seriously though, why wasnt Benitez brought in early? At Coors, I feel you either have to have a ground ball pitcher or a strike out pitcher to win games. If that ball gets into the air it is a problem. And if you walk guys and get a ball into the air, that is even more of a problem. Fox is not good at Coors, eventhough he is a strike out pitcher, he walks a lot of guys. I dont blame these guys for giving up runs last night - Coors is a despicable place. It isnt baseball (they should move the fences back 20-30 feet). But guys I was chatting with on the Rockies side were expecting us to bring in Benitez once we got the lead and I was surprised we didnt. We need to win games on the road however we can.

[minus]

Why did Jack stick with Oliver?I would have use pinch hitter even though Oliver did hit a single.

[QuickGold]

Fox blew it. He loaded the bases. Bump struck out 2, gave up a single and then struck out the next dude. If Bump had come in before Fox, then it would have amounted to a man stranded on 1st when the inning ended.

[FreshFish]

Seriously though, why wasnt Benitez brought in early? At Coors, I feel you either have to have a ground ball pitcher or a strike out pitcher to win games. If that ball gets into the air it is a problem. And if you walk guys and get a ball into the air, that is even more of a problem. Fox is not good at Coors, eventhough he is a strike out pitcher, he walks a lot of guys. I dont blame these guys for giving up runs last night - Coors is a despicable place. It isnt baseball (they should move the fences back 20-30 feet). But guys I was chatting with on the Rockies side were expecting us to bring in Benitez once we got the lead and I was surprised we didnt. We need to win games on the road however we can.

I don't know jack, but I felt that Fox should have stayed on the bench taking some rest last night. Bump needed to come fresh. You don't bring Benitez with bases loaded to get you out of the jam.

 

One thing I know, I don't want to see Fox out there tonight.

[djm305]

Fox blew it. He loaded the bases. Bump struck out 2, gave up a single and then struck out the next dude. If Bump had come in before Fox, then it would have amounted to a man stranded on 1st when the inning ended.

Actually Bump gave up back to back hits then struck someone out.

 

Again easy to second guess when we are sitting on our couch wathing the game on a TV. McKeon didn't want to pitch Benitez for 2 innings, he had confidence in FOX, Fox didn't get it done so he gave it to Bump, Bump tried his best and got 2 K's and 2 Hits, it just sucks that he had the bases loaded when it happened. I personally would have gone to Benitez after Bump gave up the one hit. Keep it a tie game. But whatever McKeon is only human and he will make mistakes, last year he made a lot of stupid calls that somehow worked. =)