First the Marlins are among 4 teams( Rangers,Cubs and Red Sox) interested in Danny Graves according to those in Cincinnati

 

Second Lowell on the block? I doubt it but where's smoke there's fire. USA TODAY is saying Lowell is on the table for the right price, and according to a close friend of ours he's heard the same thing out in Cali.

 

Third the Marlins are among 4 teams (Braves, Cubs, and Diamondbacks) interested in Brad Lidge.according to Ken Rosenthal...I doubt it he'll cost some top talent, unless Mota falls flat and Jones fades.I don't see it

 

Finally could the Marlins make a run Joe Kennedy? its possible, if Leiter continues showing his age and the kids like Kensing don't step up.

I only like that Graves rumor. The rest is bad news waiting to happen.

Lowell has looked much better of late. Granted he's played against the DRays and Phillies, but I honestly think he's turning the corner. He's taking more pitches and his swings are looking better.

 

As far as the Lidge thing goes, not a chance in hell. We have a better shot at Leiter for Clemens and Berkman.

We dont really need Lidge. Joe Kennedy is nothing special. We need a better pitcher than that.

Lidge would be a great addition to the team, he's lights out but I just can't see that happening.

Acquiring Lidge would be huge, giving the Marls a legitimate closer , the only downside would be giving up the top prospects. I don't see a problem with acquiring Kennedy as long as it is for more than just this year, perhaps to fill one the holes in the rotation vacated by Leiter or AJ next year.

Maybe Bazardo is up to be shown off

I'd trade Bazardo and a moderate hitting spect for Lidge in a heartbeat.

Even if Leiter keeps struggling, if the other 4 starters keep this up the rotation is okay. As for the pen, let's wait & see how Mota looks first. Lidge is scary though....

I'd trade Bazardo and a moderate hitting spect for Lidge in a heartbeat.

You and I both brotha

Lidge would be a great addition to the team, he's lights out but I just can't see that happening.

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Yeah i just cant see it happening, our bullpen is awesome in my opinion. We need to do something about Leiter but for Kennedy? He has struggled as his career.

I don't think the Marlins should want any part of Danny Graves.

 

Lowell will be fine in the long run. I think he's coming out of it now already.

 

The Lidge rumor is interesting, but I would rather make a push for Clemens in a few months.

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I think I have heard that the only team Clemens would be traded to would be the Yankees (I guess he has a no trade clause or something)

Oh man, imagine our rotation with Clemens...phew *dreams*

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Finally could the Marlins make a run Joe Kennedy? its possible, if Leiter continues showing his age and the kids like Kensing don't step up.

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I'd much rather see them make another run at Javy Vazquez, even if the main trade bait is A.J., because then there'd be a solidified top of the rotation of Beckett-Willis-Vazquez for the next couple years, at least. Only problem is the D-Backs might have to eat some of his salary, and I don't know if they'd do that.

 

Of course, you still have the fifth starter problem, but Joe Kennedy probably isn't the answer, and I don't think you're going to find anyone to eat Leiter's contract unless he starts pitching a helluva lot better, in which case there'd be no need to trade him anyway.

interesting on the Lowell front

Finally could the Marlins make a run Joe Kennedy? its possible, if Leiter continues showing his age and the kids like Kensing don't step up.

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I'd much rather see them make another run at Javy Vazquez, even if the main trade bait is A.J., because then there'd be a solidified top of the rotation of Beckett-Willis-Vazquez for the next couple years, at least. Only problem is the D-Backs might have to eat some of his salary, and I don't know if they'd do that.

 

Of course, you still have the fifth starter problem, but Joe Kennedy probably isn't the answer, and I don't think you're going to find anyone to eat Leiter's contract unless he starts pitching a helluva lot better, in which case there'd be no need to trade him anyway.

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I'd rather keep AJ. As it stands, when we lose AJ at the end of the season, we'll get comp picks from whoever pays him, which we could use on another stud pitcher. If we trade him, we get a good proven pitcher, but I'll take my chance with a young guy that will cost us $300k (+ outrageous signing bonus) for the first few years of his major league career.

Finally could the Marlins make a run Joe Kennedy? its possible, if Leiter continues showing his age and the kids like Kensing don't step up.

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I'd much rather see them make another run at Javy Vazquez, even if the main trade bait is A.J., because then there'd be a solidified top of the rotation of Beckett-Willis-Vazquez for the next couple years, at least. Only problem is the D-Backs might have to eat some of his salary, and I don't know if they'd do that.

 

Of course, you still have the fifth starter problem, but Joe Kennedy probably isn't the answer, and I don't think you're going to find anyone to eat Leiter's contract unless he starts pitching a helluva lot better, in which case there'd be no need to trade him anyway.

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I'd rather keep AJ. As it stands, when we lose AJ at the end of the season, we'll get comp picks from whoever pays him, which we could use on another stud pitcher. If we trade him, we get a good proven pitcher, but I'll take my chance with a young guy that will cost us $300k (+ outrageous signing bonus) for the first few years of his major league career.

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That's fine, but the way I am thinking is that you have both Beckett and Willis penciled in to the rotation next year, and nothing more (because I don't see Burnett or Valdez returning). I don't believe the FO would go with 3 rookies in the rotation, so you're going to find (at least) one other pitcher on the FA market to step in to a no.3 role. And by trading A.J. now, as opposed to waiting until the offseason, you get a damn good pitcher in Vazquez who'd be able to step in for A.J. this year and presumably be held down at a reasonable price for the next few years, giving a formidable top of the rotation on top of at least one, and maybe two, rookies in the 4 and 5 spots.

1 & 3. I don't see the need for more relievers. We have a solid middle relief corps. Graves and Lidge aren't much better than Mota and Jones.

 

2. With Easley and Conine hitting well, and Dillon up... I wouldn't discount it. Lowell is making a lot of money based on his 2003 performance. Obviously the Marlins would have to get quite a package back.

 

4. It would be nice to have an extra starter due back next year.

let's not forget that, other than Delgado, the only money we have locked up long-term is Lowell. Considering that we have a lot of guys coming up for FA next year, we have a stud in Cabrera whose natural position is 3B, and in general, the outfielder position is a relatively easy position to fill (heck, we have Conine on the bench). I can totally see how out of all the players we have who are not named Conine, Lowell makes the most sense to move out of anyone on our team.

Not sure what to make of the Lowell rumor. If he doesn't perform like an 8M dollar a year player then yes we should trade him. But if you do trade him you risk alienating the sometimes idiotic fanbase. The whole city would yell firesale and the team would look bad. Especially bad when you're trying to complete a stadium deal.

I think Clemens could want to come to Florida if he feels they have a legitimate shot at the championship.

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No he doesn't. He said he's in Pinstripes or Houston.

Maybe Bazardo is up to be shown off

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If he was, he is not doing a good job of it.

Graves has said that he wants to come here, so I would like to see us pick him up.

1 & 3. I don't see the need for more relievers. We have a solid middle relief corps. Graves and Lidge aren't much better than Mota and Jones.

 

2. With Easley and Conine hitting well, and Dillon up... I wouldn't discount it. Lowell is making a lot of money based on his 2003 performance. Obviously the Marlins would have to get quite a package back.

 

4. It would be nice to have an extra starter due back next year.

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WHAT!!!

 

Let me get this straight, Mota and Jones are better than Graves and Lidge? Did I read correctly? Are you saying that a guy with 7 saves and 11 blown saves in his 6 years career (Mota) and another (granted) with 193 saves in his 12 years career (Jones is already 37 years old) are better than a guy who is 31 years old with 182 saves and a 3.98 ERA (Graves) and another guy who is 28 years old, with 38 saves, a 2.94 ERA, 157 SO in 197 innings in 2004, and already with 31 SO in 20 innings this year (Lidge)? Graves might be in a big slump right now, but he is a good pitcher. Much better than the likes of Frank Castillo and Bazardo. And Lidge is a SO machine who looks more like a closer than Mota would ever look like.

 

BTW, we are not talking about addition by substraction. And we would probably never be able to add both at the same time. And if you don't see the need for more relievers, just tune in to Fox Sports channel. I think you can find the answer on that beautiful 12 to 3 score.

 

Also, if there is interest in trading Lowell (which I still think will be a bad PR and baseball move), how are you going to get "quite a package back" for a player who is hitting close to the Mendoza line?

 

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can the fans yell firesale if the team is in 1st place?(in regards to moving Lowell)