July 7, 200521 yr Surely the Marlins would be just about in the same postion they are now, except they will have to pay Schmidt more, and he hasnt pitched as well as AJ AND give up young players/prospects. If there is to be an AJ deal, we should not give up any top/higher rated prospects in the deal. I think time will tell, and as teams become that little bit more anxious at the trading deadline, if we do decide it is right for the organisation to trade AJ, we could get a really outstanding package for him, as AJ>>Schmidt this year, the only other 'quality' pitcher likely to be traded at this point in time.
July 7, 200521 yr Author Surely the Marlins would be just about in the same postion they are now, except they will have to pay Schmidt more, and he hasnt pitched as well as AJ AND give up young players/prospects. If there is to be an AJ deal, we should not give up any top/higher rated prospects in the deal. I think time will tell, and as teams become that little bit more anxious at the trading deadline, if we do decide it is right for the organisation to trade AJ, we could get a really outstanding package for him, as AJ>>Schmidt this year, the only other 'quality' pitcher likely to be traded at this point in time. 845253[/snapback] I'm sure that Mr. Beinfest will only make a deal if it is for an outstanding package, this guy really knows what he is doing as a GM. And if we can get a deal similar to the Brad Penny trade last year (steal) you have to pull the trigger.
July 7, 200521 yr Throw out yet another idea: Aaron Rowand Brandon McCarthy Damaso Marte for AJ Burnett Mike Lowell They'd probably make us take Contreras as well to even out the contracts, but I'd rather not take on the headache
July 7, 200521 yr Author Throw out yet another idea: Aaron Rowand Brandon McCarthy Damaso Marte for AJ Burnett Mike Lowell They'd probably make us take Contreras as well to even out the contracts, but I'd rather not take on the headache 845306[/snapback] I actually think that Contreras would do well in Florida, he would probably feel comfortable in our all Latin infield. Besides most of Contreras' problems this year have come from him getting in a jam in one big inning. In the NL the pitcher's spot can REALLY help take away a big inning. I think the DH is what has killed Contreras in the AL, and a fresh start in the NL would do him alot of deal IMO.
July 8, 200521 yr jose contreras, neal cotts, and jermaine dye for burnett and encarnacion, 845211[/snapback] why? 845221[/snapback] because contreras would replace burnett in the rotation, neal cotts has been a good reliver this year, and jermain dye> encarnacion
July 8, 200521 yr Throw out yet another idea: Aaron Rowand Brandon McCarthy Damaso Marte for AJ Burnett Mike Lowell They'd probably make us take Contreras as well to even out the contracts, but I'd rather not take on the headache 845306[/snapback] I actually think that Contreras would do well in Florida, he would probably feel comfortable in our all Latin infield. Besides most of Contreras' problems this year have come from him getting in a jam in one big inning. In the NL the pitcher's spot can REALLY help take away a big inning. I think the DH is what has killed Contreras in the AL, and a fresh start in the NL would do him alot of deal IMO. 845322[/snapback] I don't disagree -- but I just believe the $8million could be better spend on someone else than Contreras. If they forced us to take on his contract (which they probably would if Lowell is involved -- I probably would to acquire Rowand/McCarthy
July 8, 200521 yr White Sox could use an upgrade at 3B (though the way Lowell is playing, he's not an upgrade right now from Crede), and there was a thread in the past that said they were interested in Encarnacion. I wonder if they'd be interested in a blockbuster package of Burnett/Lowell/Enc.
July 8, 200521 yr Author I don't disagree -- but I just believe the $8million could be better spend on someone else than Contreras. If they forced us to take on his contract (which they probably would if Lowell is involved -- I probably would to acquire Rowand/McCarthy 845343[/snapback] I agree with that as well, but Contreras wouldn't be the end of the word either, especially if he ever lives up to his potential. I think Aaron Rowand would be a great addition to the Marlins, and the Sox have some good major league ready players (I love Marte) and would probably be a good trade partner for the Fish.
July 8, 200521 yr Throw out yet another idea: Aaron Rowand Brandon McCarthy Damaso Marte for AJ Burnett Mike Lowell They'd probably make us take Contreras as well to even out the contracts, but I'd rather not take on the headache 845306[/snapback] That would be a helluva deal, and I'd guess that if the Sox didn't make the Fish take on Contreras that they'd make them eat some of Lowell's contract.
July 8, 200521 yr First thing you have to do is consider the source...it's Ken "the Marlins don't deserve to exist" Rosenthal. 845173[/snapback] His pet nickname keeps getting worse :lol
July 8, 200521 yr I would only do a deal if McCarthy was included...and maybe if they agreed to take Leiter.
July 8, 200521 yr I would do Marlins Get: Jose Contreras Brandon McCarthy Mark Sweeney Damaso Marte White Sox Get: Mike Lowell A.J Burnett maybe a prospect Why I make this trade? Contreras steps right in for us, he's is a pretty good pitcher, and we will only have to pay him 6 mil next year and after that he's a free agent..(he's gonna make 8 but as part of the trade between yanks and sox yank's agree to pay 2 mil) McCathy is not quite ready yet but has lots of potential and is only 21-22. Sweeney might not hit for much power yet but projects to and he's only 19-20 and already in AA. He has good strike zone already. Not much to say about Marte he is a very good reliver and he's a lefty. I don't think the White Sox make this trade though cause that is a pretty steep price to pay for a guy they might lose at the end of the year. On the other hand Ken Williams is known around baseball for overpaying for guys he likes. P.S I would prefer to keep Burnett and just trade Mike Lowell for Jose Contreras straight up and then find a reliver like lets say a Affeldt??? later on
July 8, 200521 yr Farmer Fran, so we (you and I) don't go round and round in every trade rumor thread, should I assume you have given up on the 2005 season and making/playing in the playoffs? If it is, I'm not telling you're wrong because your opinion has as much value as mine, but whenever you suggest a trade it always seems to be based on players who won't help us this season but might in the next year or two? I'm just curious. I'm not being judgemental. 845235[/snapback] No with that trade we improve our offense, and solve a whole bunch of problems for us in the future. We have the prospects to go out and pick up a Mark Redman or something of his caliber. 845237[/snapback] I think we have the prospects to pick up someone better than Mark Redman. 845240[/snapback] It wouldn't be worth it though, with the amount some teams will pay for top of the line pitching. 845245[/snapback] Burnett is the only top of the line starting pitching remotely available.
July 8, 200521 yr Author Burnett is the only top of the line starting pitching remotely available. 845664[/snapback] Well except for perhaps Roger Clemens or Jason Schmidt.
July 8, 200521 yr Burnett is the only top of the line starting pitching remotely available. 845664[/snapback] Well except for perhaps Roger Clemens or Jason Schmidt. 845667[/snapback] Clemens is not available. Jason Schmidt who has had arm trouble before, has lost his fastball, is having a horrible year, and is on the wrong side of 30 is no longer top of the line pitching. I think with the knocks against him and how he looks, he has to prove he is still elite. That leaves Burnett. It is very rare that truly elite pitching is available, especially at the deadline.
July 8, 200521 yr OK, AJ is not a "premiere" pitcher in the majors. the guy is barely a .500 career pitcher. he throws hard but he still gives up more than his fair share of runs. but if we can get a good young pitcher to take his spot then go for it. I just wanted to clear up people's misconception that hes a "premire" pitcher
July 8, 200521 yr OK, AJ is not a "premiere" pitcher in the majors. the guy is barely a .500 career pitcher. he throws hard but he still gives up more than his fair share of runs. but if we can get a good young pitcher to take his spot then go for it. I just wanted to clear up people's misconception that hes a "premire" pitcher 845763[/snapback] So who's better on the market?
July 8, 200521 yr well considering we are still 3 weeks away the market hasn't full formed yet. who knows what huston will do w/ lidge and clemens. schdmit is much more established than burnett and is just having an off year (which that whole team is). i wouldnt give up the farm for burnett.
July 8, 200521 yr Throw out yet another idea: Aaron Rowand Brandon McCarthy Damaso Marte for AJ Burnett Mike Lowell They'd probably make us take Contreras as well to even out the contracts, but I'd rather not take on the headache 845306[/snapback] That would be a helluva deal, and I'd guess that if the Sox didn't make the Fish take on Contreras that they'd make them eat some of Lowell's contract. 845413[/snapback] That is the best projected deal I have seen so far. But, Rowand is the face of the White Sox. I dont think they would part with him. But if they did. It would be a great deal. Specially if they tossed in contreras
July 8, 200521 yr OK, AJ is not a "premiere" pitcher in the majors. the guy is barely a .500 career pitcher. he throws hard but he still gives up more than his fair share of runs. but if we can get a good young pitcher to take his spot then go for it. I just wanted to clear up people's misconception that hes a "premire" pitcher 845763[/snapback] So who's better on the market? 845766[/snapback] Kris Benson! :lol
July 8, 200521 yr There is very few teams willing to sell yet. There is even fewer good pitching on the market. And the Giants have said time and again they arent selling Schimdt. Along with Houston has said they arent selling Clemens or Lidge. So you can forget those guys. I will start a top for buyers and sellers
July 8, 200521 yr I would do Marlins Get: Jose Contreras Brandon McCarthy Mark Sweeney Damaso Marte White Sox Get: Mike Lowell A.J Burnett maybe a prospect Why I make this trade? Contreras steps right in for us, he's is a pretty good pitcher, and we will only have to pay him 6 mil next year and after that he's a free agent..(he's gonna make 8 but as part of the trade between yanks and sox yank's agree to pay 2 mil) McCathy is not quite ready yet but has lots of potential and is only 21-22. Sweeney might not hit for much power yet but projects to and he's only 19-20 and already in AA. He has good strike zone already. Not much to say about Marte he is a very good reliver and he's a lefty. I don't think the White Sox make this trade though cause that is a pretty steep price to pay for a guy they might lose at the end of the year. On the other hand Ken Williams is known around baseball for overpaying for guys he likes. P.S I would prefer to keep Burnett and just trade Mike Lowell for Jose Contreras straight up and then find a reliver like lets say a Affeldt??? later on 845602[/snapback] Not to be a stickler, but it's Ryan Sweeney, not Mark Sweeney. Mark Sweeney is a scrub 1st baseman for the Rockies, I think.
July 8, 200521 yr well considering we are still 3 weeks away the market hasn't full formed yet. who knows what huston will do w/ lidge and clemens. schdmit is much more established than burnett and is just having an off year (which that whole team is). i wouldnt give up the farm for burnett. 845769[/snapback] Houston has been playing great baseball lately, and be it intelligent or not, they don't believe they're out of the wild-card race. Last I read, they were trying to add Dunn, not trade away Clemens or Lidge...
July 9, 200521 yr First thing you have to do is consider the source...it's Ken "the Marlins don't deserve to exist" Rosenthal. Now that we've done that I would ask the same question I asked about the Red Sox, "why would you help one of the two or three teams you are most likely to face in the Worlds Series, if that is in fact the goal of this franchise and I believe it is, to play in the fall classic, by sending them one of the premier starting pitchers in baseball in a move that would only weaken our own chances of getting there"? (Sure, I've always wanted to see the Big Hurt in a Marlins uni, but he can only play first and correct me if I'm wrong, we have that situation pretty well covered.) Last week Rosenthal had us as sellers (read, giving up on 2005) to the Orioles, this week the White Sox, next week who knows what name he'll pick out of a hat? All he needs is to ask any GM in baseball (or more usually some underling), "hey would you like having AJ Burnett on your staff?" and he's got another story, and more media coverage for himself. Caveat Emptor. (Anyone know the latin for "let the reader beware"?) lol 845173[/snapback] It's Caveat Lector.
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