King Marlin 21 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I know a lot of us have been calling for the heads of Bill Robinson and Jack McKeon as of late. Last night Joe Morgan pointed out how good Jim Leyland looked (health wise) during the HR derby and that it would not surprise him if he was wearing a manager uniform before seasons end. If the marlins were to give the hook to old Jack do you think they might try and bring back a past winner in Jim Leyland. I personally feel this would be a great move IF they were to fire Jack, however I personally feel that Jack is not responsible for the lack of situational hitting and some bad luck the Marlins have had in the first half. But it is clear that this team has not responded well to him for the last year and a half now so change may be needed. Anyways I thought I would throw that out there to hear what you all think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishin2004 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 i've heard speculation from different sources that Leyland wants to manage again. i'm sure that if they were going to fire Jack, they would call Jim up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinatPenn Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I love McKeon, but yeah he needs to go. The team needs to be revitalized and refreshed. They desperately need a change to spark them. The names I thought of were Leyland, Tony Pena or Carlos Tosca, in that order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I love McKeon, but yeah he needs to go. The team needs to be revitalized and refreshed. They desperately need a change to spark them. The names I thought of were Leyland, Tony Pena or Carlos Tosca, in that order. 852452[/snapback] :lol Look at your avatar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valyekrin Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Leyland would be a good fit, he tends to manage veteran guys well, gets the most from his players, and is a smart manager. I would love to see him return to the Marlins, but personally I am on the Tony Pena bandwagon, he is the kind of manager who can make the clubhouse fun again and bring enormous energy to the clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAndMrsFish Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Leyland would be a good fit, he tends to manage veteran guys well, gets the most from his players, and is a smart manager. I would love to see him return to the Marlins, but personally I am on the Tony Pena bandwagon, he is the kind of manager who can make the clubhouse fun again and bring enormous energy to the clubhouse. 852459[/snapback]  The thing with Pena is that he is will probably sit out the rest of this year and next year due to the fact that he wants to coach a team in the World Baseball Classic and he can't be under an active manager's contract and coach in the WBC...it would have to be a big contract to woo him away from the other gig he wants... I think IF the Marlins make a change Leyland would be a logical choice IF he really wants to come back to managing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I don't see a need to change managers right now. However, Robinson needs to be out the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonDigital Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 if something is done it needs to be done soon. need to light a fire up some asses in this clubhouse ASAP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mafatumatt Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 leyland. he was a hard-ass. maybe he'd get the job done, or maybe the team is too young and immature for him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I have a hard time believeing Jack goes anywhere THIS season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLRyan23 Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 Orel Hershiser is going to be a good manager some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Orel Hershiser is going to be a good manager some day. 852619[/snapback]Â I do not doubt his coaching ability, but off the top of my head, I can't name any former pitchers who are managers, simply pitching coaches (which is what Orel is now). Mostly, former catchers jump to mind as the position player most commonly making the jump to manager, but anyone know the stats for pitchers that become managers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBMarlin Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 It's an interesting idea. I doubt McKeon goes anywhere this year, but wouldn't be surprised to see a change next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyggyMarlin Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Was Admin Dierker a manager who pitched? only name that comes to mind right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlin2266 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Not many, especially recently - Roger Craig, Tom Lasorda, Dierker, & Bob Lemon come to mind right off the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLRyan23 Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 not exactly a load of crap there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teal Shadow Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 The Cincinnati Post says Jim Leyland could be in line for the Reds manager's job if incumbant Dave Miley is fired as expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 If any one is to make a difference, it's going to be a player's manager.  P.S. I wonder how many Leyland supporters actually followed the team during the disappointing 1997 regular season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogFish Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 It is a fine line between a player's manager and a typical manager. Davey Johnson was considered a player's manager but when players take control, the manager looses control. A good player's manager has a great field leader behind them that guides the troops. I believe in 2003, this person was Pudge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rferry Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 I don't think Jack would be considered a player's/laidback/casual manager by most people's standards. He falls on the opposite side of the spectrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogFish Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Not sure I agree. I would have stated his style is similar to that of Cox. Has few rules but sets expectations high for players as for preparation, work habits, and hustle....and to throw strikes! Not a micromanager by any stretch. Delegates a lot of authority to coaches. In toto, not the extreme right of a players manager but more in the middle. With Pudge in 2003= proven vet, latin decent, took on the role which led to McKeon being able to be more a players manager cause we had a field leader. Not sure we have one now..... Can get grumpy, gruff during loosing streaks, lack of hustle and inability to throw strikes.....of course, we all get like that! just have to read forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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