July 29, 200521 yr id trade for him, on the condition that miggy plays RF and we can have the adventures of manny & miggy in the OF
July 29, 200521 yr Guys, This is the third time in nearly four seasons Manny Ramirez has requested a trade. He has yet to be traded by the Red Sox. In my opinion, Manny will not be traded due to his large, bloated contract. But, one possibility for the Marlins to acquire Manny Ramirez is to participate in a three team trade between the Marlins-Red Sox-Twins. Here is my proposed deal. Florida Acquires: OF Manny Ramirez SP Bronson Arroyo RP Chad Bradford cash Boston Acquires: SP A.J. Burnett 3B Mike Lowell RP J.C. Romero OF Jacque Jones Minnesota Acquires: 3B Bill Mueller 1B Kevin Millar RP Alan Embree This deal would benefit all parties involved. This would ensure the Marlins a World Series. Manny Ramirez in the Marlins lineup would be dramatically better than the Yankees lineup. Another scenario is another three team trade between the Marlins-Red Sox-Rockies. Florida Acquires: OF Manny Ramirez SP Bronson Arroyo RP Brian Fuentes INF Desi Relaford cash (from Boston) Boston Acquires: SP A.J. Burnett 1B Todd Helton 3B Mike Lowell cash (from Colorado) Colorado Acquires: 1B Kevin Millar 3B Bill Mueller RP John Riedling RP Alan Embree These trades make sense and I would like to get further comment about these trades. Thanks. P.S. The D-Train is back on the train tracks and is ready to roll! He's Rick James Bitches!
July 29, 200521 yr Any trade that includes DFA'd pitcher Alan Embree would be a non-starter for the acquiring team. Besides the $$$, the biggest problem with Manny's contract is the length of it, visavis the problems the acquiring team might have if his production falls off. But it's all moot because AJ isn't going anywhere.
July 29, 200521 yr Guys, This is the third time in nearly four seasons Manny Ramirez has requested a trade. He has yet to be traded by the Red Sox. In my opinion, Manny will not be traded due to his large, bloated contract. But, one possibility for the Marlins to acquire Manny Ramirez is to participate in a three team trade between the Marlins-Red Sox-Twins. Here is my proposed deal. Florida Acquires: OF Manny Ramirez SP Bronson Arroyo RP Chad Bradford cash Boston Acquires: SP A.J. Burnett 3B Mike Lowell RP J.C. Romero OF Jacque Jones Minnesota Acquires: 3B Bill Mueller 1B Kevin Millar RP Alan Embree This deal would benefit all parties involved. This would ensure the Marlins a World Series. Manny Ramirez in the Marlins lineup would be dramatically better than the Yankees lineup. Another scenario is another three team trade between the Marlins-Red Sox-Rockies. Florida Acquires: OF Manny Ramirez SP Bronson Arroyo RP Brian Fuentes INF Desi Relaford cash (from Boston) Boston Acquires: SP A.J. Burnett 1B Todd Helton 3B Mike Lowell cash (from Colorado) Colorado Acquires: 1B Kevin Millar 3B Bill Mueller RP John Riedling RP Alan Embree These trades make sense and I would like to get further comment about these trades. Thanks. P.S. The D-Train is back on the train tracks and is ready to roll! He's Rick James Bitches! 878754[/snapback] auughh. this thread is like a loose tooth that i can't stop playing with. it's so painful, but i keep going back. guys - you have to understand that getting Manny will take more than a 2-month rental of AJ and guys we don't want anymore (Lowell, Reidling). We couldn't get Mueller and Arroyo for AJ and Lowell right now - why in the world would we get Manny AND Arroyo AND cash (not to mention Fuentes) only by giving up Riedling, AJ and Lowell?
July 29, 200521 yr Not really i have talked to a few sox fans about the trade someone had here with the Brewers, us and the Sox and they would all do it Seems like AJ, Lowell, Enc, and Overbay would get it done
July 29, 200521 yr Any trade that includes DFA'd pitcher Alan Embree would be a non-starter for the acquiring team. Besides the $$$, the biggest problem with Manny's contract is the length of it, visavis the problems the acquiring team might have if his production falls off. But it's all moot because AJ isn't going anywhere. 878758[/snapback] He only has 3 years left on his deal. The 4th and 5th years are team options and no team will pick them up. Manny 06 - $19 million 07 - $18 million 08 - $20 million 09/10 - $20 million team options but I don't think there are buyouts according to the site I looked at $1 million bonus is traded (Manny would have to waive this if he really wants to be traded) Lowell 06 - $9 million 07 - $9 million Red Sox get: AJ Lowell Enc Johnson Marlins get: Manny & cash The Red Sox would have to pick up the difference in the contracts this year and probably give us $15-$20 million on the remaining contract. It would be a good deal for both teams, IMO. If they gave $15 million, we'd basically be paying $14 more million the next two years than we would for Lowell and get Manny for a third year at $10 million, which is pretty good, IMO. We wouldn't be able to resign Gonzo, but I'm fine with that. I have confidence in Beckett/Willis/Olsen/Vargas/Moehler to finish out the year with that lineup. You'd call up Hermida and let him platoon with Conine in RF. All we need are two dominant pitchers in the playoffs. Only Beckett was a full time starter in our 03 playoff run. Our pitching will be fine if Beckett stays healthy. I think Willis will be fine the rest of the year. 1. Pierre 2. Castillo 3. Cabrera (3B) 4. Delgado 5. Manny (LF) 6. Conine/Hermida (RF) 7. Lo Duca 8. Gonzo 1. Beckett 2. Willis 3. Moehler 4. Olsen 5. Valdez/Vargas I'd take that all day if Boston was willling to do it and Manny wants to play for us. :thumbup
July 29, 200521 yr Guys, This is the third time in nearly four seasons Manny Ramirez has requested a trade. He has yet to be traded by the Red Sox. In my opinion, Manny will not be traded due to his large, bloated contract. But, one possibility for the Marlins to acquire Manny Ramirez is to participate in a three team trade between the Marlins-Red Sox-Twins. Here is my proposed deal. Florida Acquires: OF Manny Ramirez SP Bronson Arroyo RP Chad Bradford cash Boston Acquires: SP A.J. Burnett 3B Mike Lowell RP J.C. Romero OF Jacque Jones Minnesota Acquires: 3B Bill Mueller 1B Kevin Millar RP Alan Embree This deal would benefit all parties involved. This would ensure the Marlins a World Series. Manny Ramirez in the Marlins lineup would be dramatically better than the Yankees lineup. Another scenario is another three team trade between the Marlins-Red Sox-Rockies. Florida Acquires: OF Manny Ramirez SP Bronson Arroyo RP Brian Fuentes INF Desi Relaford cash (from Boston) Boston Acquires: SP A.J. Burnett 1B Todd Helton 3B Mike Lowell cash (from Colorado) Colorado Acquires: 1B Kevin Millar 3B Bill Mueller RP John Riedling RP Alan Embree These trades make sense and I would like to get further comment about these trades. Thanks. P.S. The D-Train is back on the train tracks and is ready to roll! He's Rick James Bitches! 878754[/snapback] How does Minnesota benefit? How does Colorado benefit? and Brian Fuentes is probably "untouchable"
July 29, 200521 yr 1. Pierre 2. Castillo 3. Cabrera (3B) 4. Delgado 5. Manny (LF) 6. Conine/Hermida (RF) 7. Lo Duca 8. Gonzo 878772[/snapback] I'd rather Manny bat 3rd or 4th.. I mean, 5th is good too. But 3rd or 4th is beautiful..
July 29, 200521 yr Manny does have a place down here. So I dont think he would mind playing for us. But, I think it would cost us ALOT to get him Enc Lowell AJ Prospect (like johnson/allison/stokes/tank/upper class prospect) (just not hermida) Arroyo Manny (and cash) Basically They cover half of Manny's contract and take lowell which equals it out. AJ of course would have to be willing to sign with them and most likely would cost 2 of the above named prospects. But, making a trade like this is counter to everything that fits this FO. Besides everyone talking of how much the Marlins and Bosox dont really like each other. So I really think it wouldnt happen personally.
July 29, 200521 yr so Boston pays some X amount of Mannys contract PLUS Lowells contract yeah makes lots of sense
July 29, 200521 yr Author Manny does have a place down here. So I dont think he would mind playing for us. But, I think it would cost us ALOT to get him Enc Lowell AJ Prospect (like johnson/allison/stokes/tank/upper class prospect) (just not hermida) Arroyo Manny (and cash) Basically They cover half of Manny's contract and take lowell which equals it out. AJ of course would have to be willing to sign with them and most likely would cost 2 of the above named prospects. But, making a trade like this is counter to everything that fits this FO. Besides everyone talking of how much the Marlins and Bosox dont really like each other. So I really think it wouldnt happen personally. 878837[/snapback] First I agree with you, but I have two points to make about these bolded staments that you may not agree with me on. First bolded statment. I am fine giving up two top tier prospects that arent named Hermida, Lowell, Enc., and Aj. So long as they do this trade with the understanding that Aj may not re sign. Honestly I would do this without Arroyo included too. The X-factor in all of this is is Manny's attitude affecting the clubhouse? If it is than they may be more willing to just get rid of the guy. You have to at least inquire about the guy b/c ahitter like this only comes across one in a blue moon. Second bolded statment. This would definatly go against the norm for our front office. But does anyone realize what this does for the club. The guy puts up 40 hr/125rbi consistantly. Plus it another huge well-known face in a large hispanic community. I just have a feeling that if he came here he would be very happy and content. Also, alot of the media won't touch the team with a ten foot pole so that in itself would be very attractive to Manny. Someone suggested N.Y. yesterday on the boards and I just chuckled. Also heres a thought, It technically went against norm to go out and spend a ridiculous amount of money on Delgado too, but it happened In conclusion, I think beinfest would be fired if he didnt at least inquire as to what it would take to get him and does anyone find it strange that all the Sox fans have been so quiet about this subject?
July 29, 200521 yr Author Urge to kill rising how this made it into page two is really beyond me 878849[/snapback] honestly have you never heard the term killing time. If you haven't noticed there really isnt alot of breaking news going on right now and excuse people for trying to have a little fun to get them through the day. No one makes you post things. Just don't click on the topic if you think its a dumb thread. I personally am having fun playing GM waiting for the deadline to pass and I don't think I am the only one. Just Chill Out Man.
July 29, 200521 yr How about Marlins get Ramirez Everett White Sox get Bronson Arroyo Sanchez Scott Olsen Or Stokes Or Johnson Red Sox get Lowell AJ Enc McCarthy and/or Marte I think that would be a good trade(a dream trade, that will never happen, and if it does it will be my most wet dream ever), but that would help everyone out....Red Sox get there man AJ, and get rid of Ramirezs' contract, plus a good prospect in McCarthy or Marte...White Sox get three GREAT pitchers, if not ABOVE AVERAGE, and the Marlins get the power the need in the outfield.... just imagine this Marlin lineup 1. CF-Pierre 2. 2B-Castillo 3. LF-Everett 4. RF-Ramirez 5. 1b-Delgado 6. 3B Cabrera 7. C-Lo Duca 8. SS-Gonzalez 9. Pitcher
July 29, 200521 yr Author How about Marlins get Ramirez Everett White Sox get Bronson Arroyo Sanchez Scott Olsen Or Stokes Or Johnson Red Sox get Lowell AJ Enc McCarthy and/or Marte I think that would be a good trade(a dream trade, that will never happen, and if it does it will be my most wet dream ever), but that would help everyone out....Red Sox get there man AJ, and get rid of Ramirezs' contract, plus a good prospect in McCarthy or Marte...White Sox get three GREAT pitchers, if not ABOVE AVERAGE, and the Marlins get the power the need in the outfield.... just imagine this Marlin lineup 1. CF-Pierre 2. 2B-Castillo 3. LF-Everett 4. RF-Ramirez 5. 1b-Delgado 6. 3B Cabrera 7. C-Lo Duca 8. SS-Gonzalez 9. Pitcher 878891[/snapback] switch number 3 and 6
July 29, 200521 yr White Sox get Bronson Arroyo Sanchez Scott Olsen Or Stokes Or Johnson White Sox get three GREAT pitchers, if not ABOVE AVERAGE, and the Marlins get the power the need in the outfield.... 878891[/snapback] Arroyo is above average, the others are PROSPECTS.
July 29, 200521 yr I like Manny as much as the next guy. I think he would be a great clubhouse guy(here anyway). Beinfest probably will ask what it would take, but the trade isn't happening. This is his 3rd trade request in 4 seasons. I dont want that contract either based on the fact that he is already 33. I would love him here, but I just cant see it happening.
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