Everything I have read seems to indicate that Vargas started last night primarily because of the doubleheader on Monday. After last night's solid performance, has there been any indication whether or not he will replace Valdez or Moehler in the 5-man rotation?

 

I can personally see both sides...on one hand, he's been great as a starter. on the other hand, he would be a great weapon out of the bullpen too, which would allow us to use him selectively in more critical situations. thoughts?

i think he's pitched his way into the rotation, that being said so has moehler, so if that makes ish the odd man out, then so be it.

I dont think Marlins are at a point where someone needs to be kicked out yet.

I think Vargas will stay in the rotation. Ish is on his way out.

Ummm...Moehler has been consistently bad since the homestand against Pittsburgh three weeks ago.

 

Another bad outing from him tonight (sabotaging a chance to go on a prolonged winning streak) and I hope he's out of the rotation. At this point in the season, it's what have you done for me lately, not what did you do for me in May?

Vargas hasn't really done anything to show he's undeserving of a spot in the rotation, and we know Jack doesn't mind putting rookies in the rotation (see Dontrelle in 2003). I'd imagine he'll hold onto a spot.

 

I'm also getting the sense that this might be a very important start for Big Moe tonight.

Ummm...Moehler has been consistently bad since the homestand against Pittsburgh three weeks ago.

 

Another bad outing from him tonight (sabotaging a chance to go on a prolonged winning streak) and I hope he's out of the rotation. At this point in the season, it's what have you done for me lately, not what did you do for me in May?

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If he looses the game tonight I would hardly call it sabotage, I mean they guy has always played hard for us and there is no reason to beleive he is loosing on purpose. Maybe you just choose the wrong word to describe yor feelings I really hope you did not mean "sabatoge".

Ummm...Moehler has been consistently bad since the homestand against Pittsburgh three weeks ago.

 

Another bad outing from him tonight (sabotaging a chance to go on a prolonged winning streak) and I hope he's out of the rotation.? At this point in the season, it's what have you done for me lately, not what did you do for me in May?

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If he looses the game tonight I would hardly call it sabotage, I mean they guy has always played hard for us and there is no reason to beleive he is loosing on purpose. Maybe you just choose the wrong word to describe yor feelings I really hope you did not mean "sabatoge".

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:banghead

 

Never did I say it was intentional, but it sure is, by definition, a "destruction of property or obstruction of normal operations." IE: winning.

Ummm...Moehler has been consistently bad since the homestand against Pittsburgh three weeks ago.

 

Another bad outing from him tonight (sabotaging a chance to go on a prolonged winning streak) and I hope he's out of the rotation. At this point in the season, it's what have you done for me lately, not what did you do for me in May?

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The question is why would you pick Valdez over him?

Ummm...Moehler has been consistently bad since the homestand against Pittsburgh three weeks ago.

 

Another bad outing from him tonight (sabotaging a chance to go on a prolonged winning streak) and I hope he's out of the rotation.? At this point in the season, it's what have you done for me lately, not what did you do for me in May?

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The question is why would you pick Valdez over him?

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Because Moehler has shown an ability to come out of the bullpen and be effective (remember the Beckett start in Philly?), Valdez would just be a waste of a roster spot if he's relegated to the 'pen.

 

Moehler could fill the need for the 6th inning/7th inning guy in ballgames like last night.

fair enough TSwift.

 

I'd rather just stick with Moehler in the rotation personally.

I wouldn't mind him taking over for Ish at all, but also I like the idea of having a capable sixth starter.

 

Dontrelle and Moe seem to be tiring, and AJ has pitched a lot also this year. I like the idea of throwing him in there every now and then to give our guys an extra days rest, especially with all our games the next couple of months.

 

On a side note, when we start losing games to hurricanes this year, at least we have some extra starters to plug in there. I like our chances in doubleheaders that aren't played in Coors field.

Vargas has been incredible since the call-up allowing no HR and showing good command. Even though I don't expect him to continue his incredible pace, I would like to see him in the rotation over Ish and wouldn't mind some sort of waiver-wire dealing to trade Ish. Villone is our swing-man, so he provides no use there, but he could net us something useful in a trade. I'm confident enough in Vargas at this point to assume he'll at least put up comparable numbers to Ish's career level.

He's earned a spot in the rotation, and if it's between him and Valdez... welcome to long relief, Ismael.

He's earned a spot in the rotation, and if it's between him and Valdez... welcome to long relief, Ismael.

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Agreed.

Villone sitting there in relief should help Vargas' chances at winning a starters' job if pitching well.

Vargas better and needs to stay. If we want to go deep into the playoffs he is one of the guys who needs to be here. What a start in his career for this kid, started 3 games already and i believe hasnt surrendered more than 3 runs. Knows how to pitch and know how to swing the bat. Next DTRAIN?