Can we really blame Loria for not wanting to field a winning team every year with little fan support? How many of us are willing to eat those kind of losses (relative to our own lives of course) year after year? Not I! He's being/has been as patient and generous as one can possibly be in this situation in my opinion.

 

I don't think owners field a winning team because fans deserve it. They do because it's what they want and the risk [to their profits] they're willing to take. That said with the small revenues from Pro Player and local media contracts, it's a large risk.

We're going to be fielding nearly the same team outside, Delgado will be here next season. Stop jumping the gun, sit back and let what happens happen. This team, even if shopping Delgado, will field a competive team because we have two Ace pitchers and Miguel Cabrera. If it wasn't for some players have career lows last season the Marlins would have been in the postseason.

Can we really blame Loria for not wanting to field a winning team every year with little fan support? How many of us are willing to eat those kind of losses (relative to our own lives of course) year after year? Not I! He's being/has been as patient and generous as one can possibly be in this situation in my opinion.

 

I don't think owners field a winning team because fans deserve it. They do because it's what they want and the risk [to their profits] they're willing to take. That said with the small revenues from Pro Player and local media contracts, it's a large risk.

 

 

I wasn't trying to imply that anything is based on what fans 'deserve' - I was speaking financially all the way. If the money isn't coming in, they aren't going to keep fielding great players. Business-wise, who can blame them?

We're going to be fielding nearly the same team outside, Delgado will be here next season. Stop jumping the gun, sit back and let what happens happen. This team, even if shopping Delgado, will field a competive team because we have two Ace pitchers and Miguel Cabrera. If it wasn't for some players have career lows last season the Marlins would have been in the postseason.

 

 

While I agree, I think Miggy's production will go down a lot if he doesn't have the proper protection. If he has Lowell behind him or some no name player, who in their right mind would throw Miggy a strike?

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Great post, couldnt have said it any better. Miami is not a great baseball site, there are no baseball fans there. All of the fans are up north, and not only that but they can get a stadium because there are more options. Don king was offering his place , boynton beach have some investors that want to put some money, West palm beach say they have money to put. You cant have a team where people dont make enough money to go to the games.

Great post, couldnt have said it any better. Miami is not a great baseball site, there are no baseball fans there. All of the fans are up north, and not only that but they can get a stadium because there are more options. Don king was offering his place , boynton beach have some investors that want to put some money, West palm beach say they have money to put. You cant have a team where people dont make enough money to go to the games.

So now Miami-Dade is poor argument? I am sorry but Coral Gables, Aventura, Pinecrest, and Palmetto Bay all have more than enough people with enough money to go to Games on a regular basis. Use a better argument next time.

Great post, couldnt have said it any better. Miami is not a great baseball site, there are no baseball fans there. All of the fans are up north, and not only that but they can get a stadium because there are more options. Don king was offering his place , boynton beach have some investors that want to put some money, West palm beach say they have money to put. You cant have a team where people dont make enough money to go to the games.

So now Miami-Dade is poor argument? I am sorry but Coral Gables, Aventura, Pinecrest, and Palmetto Bay all have more than enough people with enough money to go to Games on a regular basis. Use a better argument next time.

 

Sure, the people are there, but will they go??? My dad lives in Palmetto Bay. He's an old cuban man. He loves baseball, but he'd prefer to watch the games from his couch vs actually being there.. I know a lot of old cuban men that feel the same way.

 

My brother-in-law lives in the Gables. He loves his baseball too, but would prefer to do 100 other things over a baseball games. The Gables is a rich area, where people prefer to do business yuppy things.. It's the sad truth...

I know M_G. But I was making a point that Miami has more than enough people with money to support the team.

For some reason I think it was the series against Pittsburgh, and it rained every night. I remember it was the second or third rain delay of the night and we were all soaked and rushing to get out of rain one more time and this family in front of me - guy, wife and a couple of kids - and the wife was going off on her husband big-time "this is the last #%$@ Marlins game you're bringing us to..." as she stomped up the steps, and I said to myself "well, that says it all".

 

We're all spoiled, we expect electricity to work 24 hours after a hurricane and for gas to be two bucks a gallon and to be entertained in comfort at a ballgame that costs an arm and a leg to bring our families to. There's a reason why attendance is low but tv ratings are through the roof.

 

There's nothing wrong with the market, and there's certainly nothing wrong with the fanbase, but there is with the stadium where the Marlins play. Knowing this post may inspire dozens of responses that "real" fans don't care about the weather, that "real" fans don't show in the best of weather, blah blah blah, I still believe we'd fill that 38,000 seat stadium many, many times a year, with or without the folks from PBC or north Broward if fans knew they would be entertained in comfort.

The team will not leave because of small crowds. The team will leave when Loria and MLB get sick of having to deal with Huizenga, the city of Miami and the state of Florida. They will have to fork over a lot of revenue from TV contracts in exchange for a shiny new stadium.

 

Some are not realizing how big the Marlins have the potential of becoming. The Marlins have already taken over a majority of the southern half of the peninsula and Orlando. With guys like Miguel Cabrera and Carlos Delgado mixed with some winning the Marlins have the potential to take over the Caribbean market.

 

Miami is on the verge of becoming one of the most important cities in the world. The Miami-Dade area (especially downtown) is booming with newer businesses and higher income residences. The Miami you know now will not be the same Miami 10 years from now.

 

There is also no other American market to put the team in. Las Vegas is too small and isolated, if the team wanted to move to NJ, they would have to compensate the Phils, Mets, and Yankees plus a new stadium. Portland has already said the will not fork over the money. San Antonio is to small. Buffalo is to small. Charlotte is not big enough yet. Indianapolis is to small. Moving a team to Mexico City would be the biggest disaster in baseball history.

 

A baseball only stadium will not be built in Miami for awhile. IMO Loria and Huizenga need to come to terms on a plan that would make DS more baseball friendly for the fans (roof, other amenities), and the franchise (more $$$). A plan like this will allow Wayne to build his Dolphin town and make money off 90+ events, and allow Loria to make more money off the stadium.

Great posts Marlins2003 and Moneyball.... Awesome..

 

You guys are right. I also believe that with a baseball only stadium (with a roof), the Marlins would sell very well. The problem is will that every happen??

 

I must admit.. I'm one of the fans that looks outside and if I see rain, I think twice about going. Now I have a son. Would I take him to a game if it's going to rain? Probably not.... The biggest problem is not even the fact that it rains, but that we have the chance of rain almost every day.. and that turns a lot of people off. Give us a roof and that is no longer an issue.

Great posts Marlins2003 and Moneyball.... Awesome..

 

You guys are right. I also believe that with a baseball only stadium (with a roof), the Marlins would sell very well. The problem is will that every happen??

 

I must admit.. I'm one of the fans that looks outside and if I see rain, I think twice about going. Now I have a son. Would I take him to a game if it's going to rain? Probably not.... The biggest problem is not even the fact that it rains, but that we have the chance of rain almost every day.. and that turns a lot of people off. Give us a roof and that is no longer an issue.

 

 

It's one thing to fix the problem, Loria should also alert and advertise to florida when the problems is fixed and when the new stadium is made.

 

 

Also, if we could attract 30k + fans in the early 90's, the new stadium should bring them back.

Loria should also advertise the Marlins more, everyone in Florida knows about football, but when I go there to visit, I see almost no references to the Marlins who are probably one of if not the most succesful team in Florida to date.

Miami and the Marlins are not mature yet. Both are breaking into puberty. Patience is what MLB has, problem is will the fans have it.

Great post, couldnt have said it any better. Miami is not a great baseball site, there are no baseball fans there. All of the fans are up north, and not only that but they can get a stadium because there are more options. Don king was offering his place , boynton beach have some investors that want to put some money, West palm beach say they have money to put. You cant have a team where people dont make enough money to go to the games.

So now Miami-Dade is poor argument? I am sorry but Coral Gables, Aventura, Pinecrest, and Palmetto Bay all have more than enough people with enough money to go to Games on a regular basis. Use a better argument next time.

 

Sure, the people are there, but will they go??? My dad lives in Palmetto Bay. He's an old cuban man. He loves baseball, but he'd prefer to watch the games from his couch vs actually being there.. I know a lot of old cuban men that feel the same way.

 

My brother-in-law lives in the Gables. He loves his baseball too, but would prefer to do 100 other things over a baseball games. The Gables is a rich area, where people prefer to do business yuppy things.. It's the sad truth...

 

A lot of that has to do with the location of the stadium. If it was in a different location with a retractable roof it would be a very different story. The traffic from the Gables/S. Miami area to JRS is horrific during the week. Most of the people who live there do not have to deal with that to get to and from work and the prospect of doing so is daunting.

 

I must admit.. I'm one of the fans that looks outside and if I see rain, I think twice about going. Now I have a son. Would I take him to a game if it's going to rain? Probably not.... The biggest problem is not even the fact that it rains, but that we have the chance of rain almost every day.. and that turns a lot of people off. Give us a roof and that is no longer an issue.

 

It's easy to say that a real fan will do it and I am one of those who does it. However, everyone is not in the same situation. It's not just people with kids who are unwilling to go sit in the rain. South Florida has a lot of elderly people who are big baseball fans. I have elderly relatives who are all huge Marlins fans but only make it to a few games a year as a special treat. Realistically, when you are an older person and not as healthy as you used to be are you going to get into those traffic jams and risk getting soaked in the rain to then maybe drive all the way back in the pouring rain? These are people who don't miss a game on TV or radio -- they are real fans. Make that stadium an easier experience for them and they're there.

Everybody relax, I have been saving my money to build a new stadium in Miami with a roof. I bought beer this weekend so I went backward a little, but I still have $47 dollars saved. :thumbup

 

 

 

Seriously, I hope M-D gets it done. I think just having the peace of mind that the Marlins have a real "Home" field will bring the fans out, roof or no roof.

Just figured I'd give this a bump for all the people in the thread who replied and called me crazy, an idiot, not a true fan, whatever. What do you think now?

 

Call me anything you want, but make sure you include REALISTIC.

Can we really blame Loria for not wanting to field a winning team every year with little fan support? How many of us are willing to eat those kind of losses (relative to our own lives of course) year after year? Not I! He's being/has been as patient and generous as one can possibly be in this situation in my opinion.

 

I don't think owners field a winning team because fans deserve it. They do because it's what they want and the risk [to their profits] they're willing to take. That said with the small revenues from Pro Player and local media contracts, it's a large risk.

 

No, counting on winning the lottery so you can build a stadium for your favorite team, that's a large risk. Counting on fan support in South Florida for a baseball team -- that's suicidal.

I guess. I'd much rather expose the city of Miami for the two-faced bastards they really are.

I guess. I'd much rather expose the city of Miami for the two-faced bastards they really are.

 

 

I'll give you that.

Just figured I'd give this a bump for all the people in the thread who replied and called me crazy, an idiot, not a true fan, whatever. What do you think now?

 

Call me anything you want, but make sure you include REALISTIC.

 

Congrats! Now you get to tell us all "I TOLD YOU SO!!!". Happy now?

Just figured I'd give this a bump for all the people in the thread who replied and called me crazy, an idiot, not a true fan, whatever. What do you think now?

 

Call me anything you want, but make sure you include REALISTIC.

 

Congrats! Now you get to tell us all "I TOLD YOU SO!!!". Happy now?

 

Yeah, I'm really "Happy" that the team I've loved since I was 13 falls apart every year or two. I'm "Happy" that no one shows up to games, forcing this talk to begin with. I'm "Happy" that we've won 2 championships in 12 years of existence, yet the only real major talk this franchise gets is about relocation and/or who's going to be traded next.

 

It's not my fault that half the people here choose to look at things through rose colored glasses and think that everything will be ok, no matter how many big name stars are traded away for TOTALLY MLB unproven prospects. You're the ones who continue to justify everything that happens, not me. Accept reality. Either prepare to root for the team no matter where they end up moving, or give up on it and find another team to attach on to.

 

But don't sit there and continue to think that things are just gonna be warm days and sunny rays for this franchise in South Florida. Think realistically, and the "I told you so"'s won't be necessary.

some view MLB allowing the O's to play Cuba as a slap in the face to the community.

 

 

Those that have that view are full of shiat. Not everything is about Castro. They need to get over it.

 

 

missing the point as always.