May 18, 200620 yr This is getting old. You Girardi haters need to give it a rest. completely agree. I know its frustrating, but you just cant toss the blame on Girardi just because you cant seem to find another place to throw it.
May 18, 200620 yr cant blame joe...Joe doesn't have Alfonzo, Benitez or anyone for that matter. Gotta make do with minors
May 18, 200620 yr cant blame joe...Joe doesn't have Alfonzo, Benitez or anyone for that matter. Gotta make do with minors Alfonseca?
May 18, 200620 yr I didn't want Kensing pitching the 9th. I would have preferred Pinto but that's just me.
May 18, 200620 yr Author Who would you have pitch the 9th? Well I know i will be bashed for this....but anyone ever who has had ANY success in the majors. Kensing has been lit up EVERY time he has ever pitched. :mischief2 Giving up 1 run in 2 innings is being lit up? Either way, Kensing is still young. He had his confidence blown by McKeon. He has really good stuff, and should turn into a good guy out of the pen. And I, personally, have no problem with Logan with the game on the line. He will probably be a bullpen arm for a long time, you have to let him learn how to get it done. Kensing a bullpen arm for a long time?? The guy has mediocre stuff at best, was never a prospect. I follow the minors very closely and the Marlins have MUCH more talent than Logan Kensing. He reminds me of Bump....a career AAAA player. Again, it is early in his career but based on talent alone or upside.....Kensing is the weakest we have out of ANYONE in our pen right now.
May 18, 200620 yr if pinto pitched you would be complaining how he walked half the people he faced Yeah
May 18, 200620 yr Author if pinto pitched you would be complaining how he walked half the people he faced I didn't ask for Pinto to come in. No one should come in a situation like that in their debut. Pinto has like 50 walks in 40 IP in the minors....he has talent but you don't bring him in a close game in his debut. I would have pitched Borowski or Messenger. Maybe if he pitches the 9th, it would be different results...who knows. Taylor Tankersley PLEASE!
May 18, 200620 yr if pinto pitched you would be complaining how he walked half the people he faced I didn't ask for Pinto to come in. No one should come in a situation like that in their debut. Pinto has like 50 walks in 40 IP in the minors....he has talent but you don't bring him in a close game in his debut. I would have pitched Borowski or Messenger. Maybe if he pitches the 9th, it would be different results...who knows. Taylor Tankersley PLEASE! Messenger? The same one who's served up 3-run homers in his last two appearances?
May 18, 200620 yr if pinto pitched you would be complaining how he walked half the people he faced I didn't ask for Pinto to come in. No one should come in a situation like that in their debut. Pinto has like 50 walks in 40 IP in the minors....he has talent but you don't bring him in a close game in his debut. I would have pitched Borowski or Messenger. Maybe if he pitches the 9th, it would be different results...how knows. Taylor Tankersley PLEASE! borowski and messenger did so much better than kensing tonight
May 18, 200620 yr if pinto pitched you would be complaining how he walked half the people he faced I didn't ask for Pinto to come in. No one should come in a situation like that in their debut. Pinto has like 50 walks in 40 IP in the minors....he has talent but you don't bring him in a close game in his debut. I would have pitched Borowski or Messenger. Maybe if he pitches the 9th, it would be different results...who knows. Taylor Tankersley PLEASE! If Messenger is the one who pitches the 9th and gives up the lead instead you'd start this same thread with Messenger's name in place of Kensing's.
May 18, 200620 yr Author if pinto pitched you would be complaining how he walked half the people he faced I didn't ask for Pinto to come in. No one should come in a situation like that in their debut. Pinto has like 50 walks in 40 IP in the minors....he has talent but you don't bring him in a close game in his debut. I would have pitched Borowski or Messenger. Maybe if he pitches the 9th, it would be different results...how knows. Taylor Tankersley PLEASE! borowski and messenger did so much better than kensing tonight I agree that our pen is bad and probably wouldn't make a difference who we pitch but I was just frustrated because Kensing has never done ANYTHING good in a marlin jersey.
May 18, 200620 yr if pinto pitched you would be complaining how he walked half the people he faced I didn't ask for Pinto to come in. No one should come in a situation like that in their debut. Pinto has like 50 walks in 40 IP in the minors....he has talent but you don't bring him in a close game in his debut. I would have pitched Borowski or Messenger. Maybe if he pitches the 9th, it would be different results...how knows. Taylor Tankersley PLEASE! borowski and messenger did so much better than kensing tonight I agree that our pen is bad and probably wouldn't make a difference who we pitch but I was just frustrated because Kensing has never done ANYTHING good in a marlin jersey. DATE GAME W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO NP-S GO-AO MAY 11 ATL 0 0 3.86 1 0 0 0 0 0 2.1 2 1 1 0 1 2 36-24 1-3 MAY 13 @PIT 0 0 2.70 1 0 0 0 0 0 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 2 19-9 1-0 both those were fine games
May 18, 200620 yr Author if pinto pitched you would be complaining how he walked half the people he faced I didn't ask for Pinto to come in. No one should come in a situation like that in their debut. Pinto has like 50 walks in 40 IP in the minors....he has talent but you don't bring him in a close game in his debut. I would have pitched Borowski or Messenger. Maybe if he pitches the 9th, it would be different results...who knows. Taylor Tankersley PLEASE! If Messenger is the one who pitches the 9th and gives up the lead instead you'd start this same thread with Messenger's name in place of Kensing's. How do you figure? Kensing has 22 ER in 19 career IP.He has walked 12. Messenger has proven that he can at least get out of an inning without giving up a run. Messenger has much better stuff than Kensing. Oh well, its over and done with....Kensing doesn't have the talent nor the stats that our other pitchers do. period.
May 18, 200620 yr I agree that our pen is bad and probably wouldn't make a difference who we pitch but I was just frustrated because Kensing has never done ANYTHING good in a marlin jersey. Well, the "good" criteria has not affected some of your pitching preferences before, but I digress... I totally agree with leaving in Kensing - he had a quick 1-2-3 inning before, which around these parts has been pretty rare lately. The fact that Borowski came into the game in the 10th led me to believe that he probably wasn't planning on pitching tonight. Kensing is a bit untested with Joe, (only 2 games outside of Spring Training) and he needs to see what he can do. I thought he earned the right to pitch a second inning, especially when you were looking to rest your closer.
May 18, 200620 yr kensing is a year younger and was brought into the league a year before messenger. messenger has been struggling lately and kensing has plenty of talent. you just refuse to acknowledge it because you dont like the guy
May 18, 200620 yr Wow Im so glad I didnt get to see this game. Sounds like it was painfull...On the bright side it looks like Yusmeiro pitched good. 3 innings 2 hit 3 k's. What happened with Nolasco only going 3 innings? Some of these kids in the minors seriously need to be called up and given a shot. It couldnt hurt. Any word on Carlos Martinez and when he's comming back?
May 18, 200620 yr Author kensing is a year younger and was brought into the league a year before messenger. messenger has been struggling lately and kensing has plenty of talent. you just refuse to acknowledge it because you dont like the guy Messenger can top 95. Kensing has a decent curve and thats it. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that he doesn't have a long major league career. Nothing against him at all, I just think there is more talent in our system than him. Wow Im so glad I didnt get to see this game. Sounds like it was painfull...On the bright side it looks like Yusmeiro pitched good. 3 innings 2 hit 3 k's. What happened with Nolasco only going 3 innings? Some of these kids in the minors seriously need to be called up and given a shot. It couldnt hurt. Any word on Carlos Martinez and when he's comming back? I still like Vargas a lot and I think he'll be back sooner rather than later. Petit looked great. I doubt Martinez will be rushed at all with all the arms we have.
May 18, 200620 yr well just because a guy can light up a radar gun doesnt mean hes going to be successful
May 18, 200620 yr Author well just because a guy can light up a radar gun doesnt mean hes going to be successful I agree man. I'm just talking about talent right now. Again, talent doesn't mean everything. Greg Maddux just knows how to pitch. Nic Ungs (been successful at every level) just knows how to pitch 88-90 mph. All I'm saying is that Kensing doesn't have the talent of anyone in our pen or Resop, Tankersley, Martinez, Bowyer, Tyler, A.Sanchez, Bostick, Volstad, etc.....he won't be here for long.
May 18, 200620 yr Author well if hes getting outs and isnt giving up homers he deserves to be in this pen Career 10 ERAs....don't cut it. 7 homers in 23 career IP??? Thats giving up homers. Only a few innings, I know but we have better options. Just let it play out.
May 18, 200620 yr Author CAREER STATS...sometimes there is more than meets the eye.....sometimes 1 stat can paint the future for everyone. T.Wellemeyer 102 IP, 98 Hits S.Olsen 50 IP, 48 H J.Borowski 316.2 IP, 300 H F.German 137 IP, 137 H J.Johnson 40 IP, 30 H C.Martinez 6.2 IP, 4 H R.Nolasco 17.1 IP, 18 H Y.Petit 4 IP, 3 H R.Messenger 51.2 IP, 55 H D.Willis 649.1 IP, 634 H Not Part of the Future B.Moehler 1059 IP, 1237 H S.Mitre 155.2 IP, 187 H Matt Herges 492 IP, 519 H L.Kensing 23.1 IP, 35 H
May 18, 200620 yr resop 8.1 era tankersley never pitched in the majors martinez 2.7 era injured bowyer 5.59 era injured tyler never pitched in the majors walking way to many batters in AA sanchez never pitched in the majors starter bostick never pitched in the majors volstad never pitched in the majors starter kensing 9.64 era minors kensing 12-14 3.55 era 220.1 ip 221 hits allowed 102 runs allowed 87 earned runs allowed 12 home runs allowed 60 walks 164 strike outs got to majors in 2nd pro season messenger 30-26 4.53 era 493.0 ip 544 hits allowed 298 runs allowed 248 earned runs allowed 27 home runs allowed 201 walks 346 strike outs got to majors in 7th pro season
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