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I respectfully disagree. Girardi's behavior and the way he conducts himself is an example to all of our players of how they should act in the big leagues. Many of our players have had little experience in the majors. I have NO doubt that every manager has berated a young rookie in front of his team for poor performance...but generally that is done behind closed doors. There is no reason to do it in public, and I think it sends the message that this kind of behavior is OK. Girardi would have NEVER done that to Cabs. Seriously, Girardi spent what seems like an hour respectfully consoling Willis on the bench after he was taken out early a few months ago. But...since Olsen is a rookie, I guess it is OK to berate him in public, right? Well, apparently Cabs thought it was OK too.

 

 

I'm guessing you didn't like McKeon very much either.

Which Marlins player did McKeon show up in public?

 

If I recall correctly, for one, not long after McKeon was hired he paid a mound visit to Dontrelle and told him he better start pitching better or he would be sent back to the minors after he had started walking a bunch of batters while the Marlins had a comfortable lead... except Jack used more expletives. Much more embarassing than chastising a player inside the dugout.

Yelling at a pitcher while he is on the mound does not count in my book, and if it does - Girardi did it just a few days ago against Nolasco (which by the way didn't help Nolasco who preceded to give up I think another 5 earned runs - but I have no problem with Girardi doing that, Nolasco needed a stern talking to). However, it is not the same thing as confronting a player (and physically touching him) in the dugout in view of ALL of your teammates and TV.

 

 

 

Cabs is the veteran. If Olsen did show him up, handle it privately. Don't do that crap in the dugout. Cabs should know better and be more mature regardless of how old he is.

 

Joe handled it well, sitting Cabs down and having a little chat with him as Olsen left.

 

If he did show him up, he's dead wrong as well but still that stuff can't be done in the dugout like that.

 

You mean like how Girardi showed up Olsen not too long ago by publicly berating him in the dugout for his lackluster play in front of the entire team?

 

Funny...I thought this was PRAISED behavior on this board.

Had to somehow get a Girardi jab in there didnt ya?

 

 

You are amazing.

 

 

 

With that said, Olsen is now officially a punk and has shown he has the maturity of a newborn giraffe.

*yawn* So, you don't think that the Manager publicly berating (and physically grabbing) an adult major league player in front of his other teammates has ANYTHING to do with Cabs thinking he can do it too?? Particularly when Girardi would never have done that with D-Train or Miggy.

 

Everyone on this board was praising that kind of behavior, but IMO this is the downside of such conduct. It's like a parent who beats one of his kids telling his other child that it's not OK to hit your brother. You live by the sword, you die by the sword, right?? For all the praise Girardi got for publicly embarrasing Olsen, isn't this rationally related to his behavior? To my knowledge, I've never seen Joe Torre do that, and I don't see Joe Torre's players hitting each other in his dugout.

 

Well, see Joe Torre has like 1 player under tha age of 30 on his entire roster, so it's not like it's the same situation. Also, all of his players make about 12 million dollars a year, so they have no reason to get angry about anything.

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I respectfully disagree. Girardi's behavior and the way he conducts himself is an example to all of our players of how they should act in the big leagues. Many of our players have had little experience in the majors. I have NO doubt that every manager has berated a young rookie in front of his team for poor performance...but generally that is done behind closed doors. There is no reason to do it in public, and I think it sends the message that this kind of behavior is OK. Girardi would have NEVER done that to Cabs. Seriously, Girardi spent what seems like an hour respectfully consoling Willis on the bench after he was taken out early a few months ago. But...since Olsen is a rookie, I guess it is OK to berate him in public, right? Well, apparently Cabs thought it was OK too.

 

 

I'm guessing you didn't like McKeon very much either.

Which Marlins player did McKeon show up in public?

Uhh... many pitchers on the mound. Many players in the dugout. Many in the press. In 2005, he blamed certain players for trying to get him fired. hroughout his tenure, he questioned the players' efforts. McKeon and has always been known to be a toughass manager. That's why he's been hired for certain situations (as well as fired for certain other situations).

 

 

 

 

Re: the fight

I challenge you to name two other players that you expected this from based on previous reports. I think the off-hand remark of boys simply being boys is dead-on correct. The problem is that to best serve the team they need to be men. And I have no doubt there's no shortage of men on the team that can take care of these boys and mold them into better tempered beings.

 

This team is a bunch of players who are not familiar with eachother, this level or certain of their personal or team goals. The team leaders need to shed some light on that issue. Hopefully towards a direction that leads not to chaos, but an united and loyal team acting toward mutually shared goals. We can not having a player or players leading the team into chaos. That is the beginning of the end for all teams. It's fair to say that by the only tangible measure of success, that this team has shown some signs of working towards shaping a future World Series contender. It would be a shame to see that sidetracked or ruined.

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Can't find the video on espn.com.....link??

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260709121

 

Click on the "Go Big!" button to view a larger hi-res clip.

http://att-motion.espn.go.com/media/motion...09FLA-NYM1v.flv

 

Here is the source file. It seems YouTube won't let me upload it and I have had the hardest time converting it to mpg or avi. If anyone can assist in that it would be great.

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a player, who didnt wanna be identified, told the newpapers olsen said some nasty things to cabrera and thats what provoked him

 

and come on, cabs isnt gunna let a rookie run over him like that. when you watch the video, u can tell he was waiting for olsen to come. thats why treanor was sorta blocking him.

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Can't find the video on espn.com.....link??

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260709121

 

Click on the "Go Big!" button to view a larger hi-res clip.

http://att-motion.espn.go.com/media/motion...09FLA-NYM1v.flv

 

Here is the source file. It seems YouTube won't let me upload it and I have had the hardest time converting it to mpg or avi. If anyone can assist in that it would be great.

OK I managed to embed it on my own site :lol http://www.sportech.info/2006/07/10/flv-mo...dugout-scuffle/

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I respectfully disagree. Girardi's behavior and the way he conducts himself is an example to all of our players of how they should act in the big leagues. Many of our players have had little experience in the majors. I have NO doubt that every manager has berated a young rookie in front of his team for poor performance...but generally that is done behind closed doors. There is no reason to do it in public, and I think it sends the message that this kind of behavior is OK. Girardi would have NEVER done that to Cabs. Seriously, Girardi spent what seems like an hour respectfully consoling Willis on the bench after he was taken out early a few months ago. But...since Olsen is a rookie, I guess it is OK to berate him in public, right? Well, apparently Cabs thought it was OK too.

 

 

I'm guessing you didn't like McKeon very much either.

Which Marlins player did McKeon show up in public?

Uhh... many pitchers on the mound. Many players in the dugout. Many in the press. In 2005, he blamed certain players for trying to get him fired. hroughout his tenure, he questioned the players' efforts. McKeon and has always been known to be a toughass manager. That's why he's been hired for certain situations (as well as fired for certain other situations).

I meant physically grab and scream at during a game in front of the whole team. McKeon never did that.

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I respectfully disagree. Girardi's behavior and the way he conducts himself is an example to all of our players of how they should act in the big leagues. Many of our players have had little experience in the majors. I have NO doubt that every manager has berated a young rookie in front of his team for poor performance...but generally that is done behind closed doors. There is no reason to do it in public, and I think it sends the message that this kind of behavior is OK. Girardi would have NEVER done that to Cabs. Seriously, Girardi spent what seems like an hour respectfully consoling Willis on the bench after he was taken out early a few months ago. But...since Olsen is a rookie, I guess it is OK to berate him in public, right? Well, apparently Cabs thought it was OK too.

 

 

I'm guessing you didn't like McKeon very much either.

Which Marlins player did McKeon show up in public?

Uhh... many pitchers on the mound. Many players in the dugout. Many in the press. In 2005, he blamed certain players for trying to get him fired. hroughout his tenure, he questioned the players' efforts. McKeon and has always been known to be a toughass manager. That's why he's been hired for certain situations (as well as fired for certain other situations).

I meant physically grab and scream out during a game in front of the whole team. McKeon never did that.

 

I believe in 2004 Mckeon screamed at Nate Bump during a game and mound visit (in a game which Beckett started, at home, game we won, and against the Phillies)

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if anything...I blame Reggie AAAbercrombie for all this!

 

 

But what about that shot he hit in Cincinatti? You can't forget about that!

Who the f*** cares about the shot he hit against the reds,i could care less if it was an 850 foot shot or a 310 foot shot..the deal is the guy SUCKS,get him out of the lineup,our record when Reggie plays is now 19-40..that f***ING SUCKS..the guy needs to go somewhere ELSE,whether it's on the bench to pinch-run,AAA or just home..We need someone who can play some Defense in the outfield,bring up Aguila,he can play defense and he can run..he might not hit,but neither can Reggie..so what if he had a good month,his DEFENSE is still sh*tty,THE GUY NEEDS TO GO ELSEWHERE Please get him out of here

 

 

MARLINS KEY TO SUCCESS=NO REGGIE ABERCROMBIE

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If it was Olsen that started it, he really showed no sportsmanship and really a lack of respect for the game. How are you going to blame a teammate? Sure, he got angry at Miguels error but he let it get the best of him. Miguel isnt much of a fighter from what Ive seen the past 2 years. This is the first time Ive actually seen him retaliate like that. I just hope they get patched up because teammates are supposed to be really close and work together.

 

Oh, b.t.w....I'm back. :)

 

 

 

if anything...I blame Reggie AAAbercrombie for all this!

 

 

But what about that shot he hit in Cincinatti? You can't forget about that!

Who the f*** cares about the shot he hit against the reds,i could care less if it was an 850 foot shot or a 310 foot shot..the deal is the guy SUCKS,get him out of the lineup,our record when Reggie plays is now 19-40..that f***ING SUCKS..the guy needs to go somewhere ELSE,whether it's on the bench to pinch-run,AAA or just home..We need someone who can play some Defense in the outfield,bring up Aguila,he can play defense and he can run..he might not hit,but neither can Reggie..so what if he had a good month,his DEFENSE is still sh*tty,THE GUY NEEDS TO GO ELSEWHERE Please get him out of here

 

 

MARLINS KEY TO SUCCESS=NO REGGIE ABERCROMBIE

 

 

Exactly! That guy has been the cause of many of my headaches... :confused

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You misread that. Olsen didn't blame a teammate to the press. This isn't Beckett complaining about an uncredited error on Gonzalez.

 

I suspect all Olsen did was deflect the media's attention from the issue. He gave the appearance all is alright, and the two players and the team will work it out privately, if at all.

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I respectfully disagree. Girardi's behavior and the way he conducts himself is an example to all of our players of how they should act in the big leagues. Many of our players have had little experience in the majors. I have NO doubt that every manager has berated a young rookie in front of his team for poor performance...but generally that is done behind closed doors. There is no reason to do it in public, and I think it sends the message that this kind of behavior is OK. Girardi would have NEVER done that to Cabs. Seriously, Girardi spent what seems like an hour respectfully consoling Willis on the bench after he was taken out early a few months ago. But...since Olsen is a rookie, I guess it is OK to berate him in public, right? Well, apparently Cabs thought it was OK too.

 

 

I'm guessing you didn't like McKeon very much either.

Which Marlins player did McKeon show up in public?

Uhh... many pitchers on the mound. Many players in the dugout. Many in the press. In 2005, he blamed certain players for trying to get him fired. hroughout his tenure, he questioned the players' efforts. McKeon and has always been known to be a toughass manager. That's why he's been hired for certain situations (as well as fired for certain other situations).

I meant physically grab and scream out during a game in front of the whole team. McKeon never did that.

 

I believe in 2004 Mckeon screamed at Nate Bump during a game and mound visit (in a game which Beckett started, at home, game we won, and against the Phillies)

Why does everyone seem to miss the "physical" part of Girardi's tirade?? That's the issue. That's my beef with what he did. I liked it when McKeon was tough on our players, and I like it when Girardi does it too...but, why does everyone seem to dismiss the fact that Girardi grabbed Olsen's jersey, turned him around as Olsen was walking away, and THEN proceeded to chew him out. A manager yelling at a player in front of his team is nothing new. But, I think he sent our players the wrong message when he did it in front of the whole team and seemed to condone Messenger's conduct when he slugged Olsen.

 

Perhaps...just perhaps...Girardi's tolerance of this type of behavior in some *small* way contributed to Miggy - who if memory serves me has never physically assaulted another teammate in public - thinking it was OK to physically provoke the young rookie for trying to show him up.

 

I'm not saying it is Girardi's fault. Girardi isn't Miggy's (or Olsen's) mother. And, I'm glad Girardi has seemingly put to bed his first month jitters of NEVER arguing calls, getting in player's faces, and challenging his team. I love that stuff. I'm just saying there is a line, and Girardi must be wary of crossing it.

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OK, if you read the article below particularly the bolded section, you can see that Olsen started this before LoDuca's hit. In any case Olsen apologized and I hope that's the end of it.

 

Miami Herald

METS 7, MARLINS 6

Marlins pointing fingersIn pitcher Scott Olsen's latest altercation, Marlins teammate Miguel Cabrera poked him in the forehead in the dugout during Sunday's loss to the Mets.

BY CLARK SPENCER

[email protected]

 

NEW YORK - The Marlins can't punish Scott Olsen by making him stand in a corner. They can't send him to the principal's office for a stern lecture and an old-fashioned paddling, nor can they mail a letter home to his parents threatening expulsion.

 

But perhaps they should consider solitary confinement on the days he doesn't pitch, Pinkerton escorts from the mound to the dugout on the days that he does, fraternizing with teammates in controlled settings only, and bringing in Dr. Phil for sit-down counseling.

 

The naughty rookie for the Marlins did it again Sunday. Olsen got under Miguel Cabrera's skin during a 7-6 loss to the New York Mets at Shea Stadium, and the result was a finger poke in the forehead by the Marlins' angered All-Star third baseman in the team's dugout.

 

Considering the size differential, Olsen was fortunate Cabrera didn't ball up his fist and deliver a more forceful blow, not that Olsen hasn't already felt the sting of one of those this season.

 

The latest incident involving the young pitcher isn't the first. Marlins reliever Randy Messenger -- his ''closest friend'' on the team -- gave him a black eye in St. Petersburg in May when he punched Olsen in the face during an argument. And even-keeled manager Joe Girardi ripped into him a few days later, grabbing him by his jersey and dragging him into a dugout alcove at Dolphin Stadium.

 

''A young pitcher letting the emotions get the best of him,'' Girardi said after the latest blowup. ``You can't let your emotions get the best of you.''

 

Said Olsen, who apologized later to Cabrera: ``I was wrong.''

 

Cabrera was tight-lipped afterward while rolling his luggage out of Shea and heading off to the airport for a flight bound for Pittsburgh and All-Star festivities. He is to take part in tonight's Home Run Derby and Tuesday's Midsummer Classic.

 

WHY ME?

 

But he had to be wondering what he did to rankle not only Olsen, but also Mets reliever Duaner Sanchez on Saturday. Sanchez drilled Cabrera in the left buttock with a pitch during Saturday's doubleheader. Most of the Marlins think it was thrown deliberately and without just cause. Cabrera was ejected for mouthing off at the Mets pitcher.

 

Sunday's dugout fracas was precipitated by events in the bottom of the fifth.

 

Olsen had just given up a two-run homer to Xavier Nady to break a scoreless tie when Jose Valentin smacked a double down the third-base line and by Cabrera. According to one Marlins player, who asked not to be identified, Olsen said something derogatory to Cabrera even though Brooks Robinson probably couldn't have gloved the ball.

 

But if Olsen had a beef with Cabrera, conjecture pointed to the next play, in which Paul Lo Duca grounded a ball that glanced off the third baseman's glove, squirting away for what was ruled a double.

 

Whatever the particular play, Olsen voiced a criticism directed at the best player on the Marlins, and it didn't sit well. Television replays showed the two exchanging heated words in the dugout as Olsen made his way to the clubhouse, with the two players having to be restrained by their teammates, but not before Cabrera jabbed Olsen in the forehead with his right index finger.

 

Girardi tried to defuse tempers, first by talking to Cabrera, who was noticeably miffed and blew bubbles with his chewing gum while the manager lectured. Olsen said Girardi and pitching coach Rick Kranitz then made their way to the clubhouse, where Olsen had taken sanctuary.

 

Moments later, Olsen returned to the dugout to apologize to Cabrera.

 

''They hugged, they kissed, they made up,'' Girardi said.

 

Girardi put a positive spin on the altercation.

 

''[Olsen] has fire in his belly,'' Girardi said. ``I think he took a big step because he owned up.''

 

Oddly, good things tend to happen for the Marlins when Olsen gets involved in an incident. They won 19 of their next 25 games after Messenger popped him in the eye, and Olsen won his next four starts after Girardi gave him a dugout scolding.

 

CAUSE AND EFFECT

 

The pattern nearly continued Sunday; after Olsen and Cabrera had their skirmish, the Marlins scored two runs in the sixth and three in the seventh to take a 5-3 lead.

 

But the Mets struck for four runs in the eighth, with reliever Logan Kensing allowing a leadoff walk to Valentin and center fielder Reggie Abercrombie losing a fly ball in the sun that fell to the grass untouched for a single.

 

Four batters later, David Wright launched a three-run homer to drive the stake in the Marlins as they head into the All-Star break.

 

Olsen said he was remorseful about his latest incident.

 

''There will be no carry-over on that,'' he said.

 

But Olsen said he wouldn't change his demeanor.

 

''I don't care what people think about me,'' he said. ``It really makes no difference. We're young and scrappy, and we're not going to take a lot of crap.''

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if anything...I blame Reggie AAAbercrombie for all this!

 

 

But what about that shot he hit in Cincinatti? You can't forget about that!

Who the f*** cares about the shot he hit against the reds,i could care less if it was an 850 foot shot or a 310 foot shot..the deal is the guy SUCKS,get him out of the lineup,our record when Reggie plays is now 19-40..that f***ING SUCKS..the guy needs to go somewhere ELSE,whether it's on the bench to pinch-run,AAA or just home..We need someone who can play some Defense in the outfield,bring up Aguila,he can play defense and he can run..he might not hit,but neither can Reggie..so what if he had a good month,his DEFENSE is still sh*tty,THE GUY NEEDS TO GO ELSEWHERE Please get him out of here

 

 

MARLINS KEY TO SUCCESS=NO REGGIE ABERCROMBIE

:notworthy :notworthy Reaggie shouldnt be in this lineup Giardi OPEAN YOUR EYES!!

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