Regarding Olivo's struggles last night, Tommy Hutton remarked that he looks like he needs a rest. I don't think he's ever been used this much before. Could he be wearing down?

 

2 for his last 31. Might be wise to stick Treanor in there a little more often to keep Olivo fresh for the stretch run. I certainly expect Matt to be in the lineup for this afternoon's game...

yeah, i wouldn't mind him getting a few games off.

even if miguel isn't tired he's slumping pretty badly. I'd put treanor in for the next couple of games

Miguel Olivo has been used defensively in 30 of our last 31 games, and he has started 27 of those games. He should be looking tired.

 

We have a backup catcher for a reason. Seeing as how he's healthy now, we should use him sometime.

He probably does need a rest.

 

He's also a really streaky hitter.

 

 

I can understand though that its a tough decision to sit him.

 

Lets face it, when you bring Treanor in its a slight defensive downgrade and an offensive downgrade (although with Olivo really struggling offensively right now it may not be).

It probably wouldn't be the worst idea to bring Hoover back up in a few days to backup Treanor and give Olivo a few days off.

 

Or absent that, in any games in hand or out of hand, to replace Olivo early.

 

But at the same time here we are in the wildcard race (root for Cincy and Atlanta today) and it's hard to bench your starting catcher even if he's exhausted. It's one of those decisions I'm willing to leave up to the manager.

Lets face it, when you bring Treanor in its a slight defensive downgrade

 

Not really, but you got to do what you got to do to keep them going

There's no doubt he's tired. Catching is tough, it takes it's toll and he's had little rest. I remember being surprised at times to see him starting a day game after a night game and thinking he would have to wear down.

Olivo shouldn't be catching more than 4 out of 5 games but it's obvious why Girardi is reluctant to use Treanor. The same thing happened last year. Lo Duca could barely walk but McKeon rarely used Treanor in the last few weeks.

 

I would give Treanor some more starts but if he comes up with RISP in the middle innings (or later) then replace him with Olivo so Olivo gets those ABs and also take out Olivo out of out of hand games.

It probably wouldn't be the worst idea to bring Hoover back up in a few days to backup Treanor and give Olivo a few days off.

 

Or absent that, in any games in hand or out of hand, to replace Olivo early.

 

But at the same time here we are in the wildcard race (root for Cincy and Atlanta today) and it's hard to bench your starting catcher even if he's exhausted. It's one of those decisions I'm willing to leave up to the manager.

 

Heck I think Hoover should get a couple of starts as well

He also should of never been moved up in the lineup

I'm sure he was overworked but I think now the Marlins are now seeing why he was with Chicago...then Seattle...then San Diego...then Florida...over a short period of time.

 

In other words, he's a streaky fastball hitting pitcher. This is why I was skeptical about his hot streak during early to mid summer.

 

 

Fastball hitting pitcher? Boy, this guy is more talented that I thought. :mischief

 

Any ways, I think it is extremely premature and shortsighted to dismiss a whole season's worth of production from a catcher who is in a cold streak during/after being used defensively in 30 of our last 31 games, and starting 27 of those games. That is a lot of work for a catcher.

He probably does need a rest.

 

He's also a really streaky hitter.

 

 

I can understand though that its a tough decision to sit him.

 

Lets face it, when you bring Treanor in its a slight defensive downgrade and an offensive downgrade (although with Olivo really struggling offensively right now it may not be).

 

 

I don't see how he's a defensive downgrade at all. Perhaps not quite the arm Olivo has... but Treanor's no slouch.

 

It's just silly that Girardi's trotting him out there on a Sunday afternoon game, right after playing 10 innings last night. Not to mention the way he's been slumping at the plate.

 

You were a catcher yourself Joe. Wake up.

he needs to be sitting

Only thing I can think of is that Olivo has asked Girardi to play, or that there's an understanding between Girardi and Olivo that he's going to need to tough it up for the stretch run.

 

I know it's reaching, but even Olivo on his worst day this season is no worse than a wash with Treanor at the plate.

It's just silly that Girardi's trotting him out there on a Sunday afternoon game, right after playing 10 innings last night. Not to mention the way he's been slumping at the plate.

 

You were a catcher yourself Joe. Wake up.

 

Seriously. And now he's up to 31 defensive appearances (and 28 starts) in our last 32 games.

 

Thanks to three off-days in the schedule, he's managed to rack up four full days of rest over the last 38 days.

 

Amazing.

Only thing I can think of is that Olivo has asked Girardi to play, or that there's an understanding between Girardi and Olivo that he's going to need to tough it up for the stretch run.

 

I know it's reaching, but even Olivo on his worst day this season is no worse than a wash with Treanor at the plate.

 

I agree a worn-out Olivo is no worse than Treanor but I would also add that a worn-out Olivo is no better than Treanor but a fresh Olivo is A LOT better than Treanor so we need to keep Olivo fresh.

had an almost-homerun, and then a double today... i still say sit him tomorrow.

Lets face it, when you bring Treanor in its a slight defensive downgrade

 

 

Treanor is a defensive upgrade at C over Olivo. A very good one too. Olivo kind of sucks back there.

Lets face it, when you bring Treanor in its a slight defensive downgrade

 

 

Treanor is a defensive upgrade at C over Olivo. A very good one too. Olivo kind of sucks back there.

Sorry, he does not SUCK back there

 

shut up.

How doesn't he suck? He's been catching forever and still has trouble with the most basic stuff.

 

Treanor is much better defensively.

He did a great job today :thumbup .

How doesn't he suck? He's been catching forever and still has trouble with the most basic stuff.

 

Treanor is much better defensively.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keep digging yourself into that hole you've been workin on since April.

How doesn't he suck? He's been catching forever and still has trouble with the most basic stuff.

 

Treanor is much better defensively.

 

Treanor is a fantastic catcher. Who is arguing that?

I was disputing TheDon's claim that Treanor was a downgrade defensively from Olivo.