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No box on this one. Either way you spin it, the parents are at big time fault. If you are to be trusted with an AK-47, could you have the decency of hiding it from your kids? No matter what angle this story is taken from, kids shouldn't have guns. No pistols, handguns, shotguns, machine guns, or chain guns. If it fires anything but bbs or paintballs, it shouldn't be in a child's hands.

 

Lock the parents up.

That is the law and I completely agree, if the parents allowed the weapon to get into the hands of their 13 year old because they neglected to secure it in some way, they'll almost definitely be going to prison. Let's not rule out the fact that the kid could be a gang member or something along those lines and got it through illegal channels though, because rifles like the SKS and whatnot are literally a dime a dozen and can be purchased easily for under $100, and the parents could be totally anti-gun for all we know.

 

The worst part about this is that the little punks record is going to wiped clean when he turns 18 which is disgusting, if you commit a heinous crime like this, even at a young age, you've got to be one f***ed up person and it shouldn't just disappear because you reach the magical age of 18.I'd personally argue that the parents still played a large role in the kid joining a gang (at 13 for God's sake) and that they still need to be held responsible. It's the same problem as we've always had. Parents try to shift blame for their shortcomings on heavy metal, rap, tv violence, sex, bad words said by others.....anyone but themselves. If you raise your kid in a manner that joining a gang is going to be an attractive option to him, you fail as a parent. And if that child commits a serious crime before 18, there should be double penalty - child and parent.

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"9 gauge assault pistol"

 

 

Ignorance of guns is the biggest threat. Guns are tools, and every child should be taught that they aren't "cool", but instead that they are dangerous. I had my own varmint rifle from age 12 onward, and my own handgun from age 16 onward, I was taught how to use it, care for it and what not to do with it. As a result, when my neighbor got his dad's gun I knew to get him to put it back and to tell his dad about it.

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No box on this one. Either way you spin it, the parents are at big time fault. If you are to be trusted with an AK-47, could you have the decency of hiding it from your kids? No matter what angle this story is taken from, kids shouldn't have guns. No pistols, handguns, shotguns, machine guns, or chain guns. If it fires anything but bbs or paintballs, it shouldn't be in a child's hands.

 

Lock the parents up.

That is the law and I completely agree, if the parents allowed the weapon to get into the hands of their 13 year old because they neglected to secure it in some way, they'll almost definitely be going to prison. Let's not rule out the fact that the kid could be a gang member or something along those lines and got it through illegal channels though, because rifles like the SKS and whatnot are literally a dime a dozen and can be purchased easily for under $100, and the parents could be totally anti-gun for all we know.

 

The worst part about this is that the little punks record is going to wiped clean when he turns 18 which is disgusting, if you commit a heinous crime like this, even at a young age, you've got to be one f***ed up person and it shouldn't just disappear because you reach the magical age of 18.I'd personally argue that the parents still played a large role in the kid joining a gang (at 13 for God's sake) and that they still need to be held responsible. It's the same problem as we've always had. Parents try to shift blame for their shortcomings on heavy metal, rap, tv violence, sex, bad words said by others.....anyone but themselves. If you raise your kid in a manner that joining a gang is going to be an attractive option to him, you fail as a parent. And if that child commits a serious crime before 18, there should be double penalty - child and parent.

Agreed.

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Parents certainly have to be held responsible for these crimes committed by the children. They are the ones who bought the guns, and they have to control them. They also have to teach their children about guns and the dangers of using them.

 

I believe that the parents of the Columbine kids got off pretty easy, considering the mess they created.

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From what I read this morning, it was a Mac-90, not an AK-47. Still lame.

 

lol, MAC-90's are Chinese pieces of junk made by Norinco, a company famous for making cheap knockoffs of more expensive weapons.

 

Which is exactly why this isn't a problem. In my opinion, all maladjusted preteens should have access to cheap knockoffs. LOL

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From what I read this morning, it was a Mac-90, not an AK-47. Still lame.

 

lol, MAC-90's are Chinese pieces of junk made by Norinco, a company famous for making cheap knockoffs of more expensive weapons.

 

Which is exactly why this isn't a problem. In my opinion, all maladjusted preteens should have access to cheap knockoffs. LOL

There you go again.....

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see...this part of the argument i dont get...someone is sane as can be...and then all of a sudden, when they have a gun in their hands they become nuts...hmmm...ie..my point is...its like giving viagra to ron jeremy, or donuts to chris farley, or crack cocaine to richard pryor...guns are an addiction in this country and it has to stop...if it doesnt...accord's solution is going to happen in that everyone will have and use guns needlessly...the murder rate in this country will go higher than its rate of of obese people

 

Jimmy, quit being an idiot. Normal people do not just pick up a gun and go psycho and the article clearly states he was "planning the attack for a long time." Your problem is that every post comes straight out of your ass with not even the smallest ounce of common sense or logic, you ignore all previously mentioned facts and do not even bother to read the article or post you're actually responding to.

 

Law abiding citizens do not murder people and do not commit crimes, why is this so god damn difficult for you to comprehend? What is the matter with you? I'm not being sarcastic here, I am genuinely interested in what is seriously wrong with you.

 

You keep bringing up that you've got a degree in history as if that's supposed to give you some sort of credibility on the subject, that says a lot about the current state of the American university system. I'm curious as to where you "earned" your degree - Big Bird State College?

 

Do you ever wonder why 99% of the time people don't even bother replying to your posts? I'll give you a hint: it's not because you make good points. The only time people ever respond to you or acknowledge your involvement in a thread is when you say something that is so batshit crazy, so off the wall that calling you out on it is irresistable. Even the people who are completely against me on this forum think you and your posts are absolutely ridiculous.

 

Get a clue, Jimmy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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hmmm...where to begin...ok...first of all...call me an idiot again and then come here and back it up tough guy(you can even bring your gun psychopath)...secondly...this is where you missed it before in my other post...why does someone go from sane without a gun to insane with one as you are claiming here...the guy was nuts, probably has been for more than quite some time at this point...which means...someone...anyone should have stopped this guy from legally carrying a gun...i mean god...isnt it common sense for bartenders to cut off a drunk and for someone to keep a gun out of a psychopath's hands? and you complain about my logic and yours to death and destruction to all...im sorry...but that logic does zero good whatsoever...and i read the article and all the posts in this thread thank you very much...quite interesting and good debate on both sides of the line except for your endless BS on how guns save lives...and what is the difference between a criminal and a law abiding citizen? an action...one action that can come from anger, joy, sadness, kindness, bitterness, etc...one small action is the difference between a criminal and a law abiding citizen...are you understanding this yet? probably not...so ill continue...has anyone in this thread ever driven home drunk? i have...what if i killed someone...that is the end of their life, and the beginning of mine as a criminal, as jail bait...thats all it takes...most people dont just make up their mind one day and say...hey...i think ill just kill everyone i see...it doesnt work like that...but it starts all with a little action...and for your information...i have a degree in history from framingham state college here in massachusetts...i keep referring to it so that you may actually believe that im not just pulling random things from my hind end for the sake of stupid arguments with you...i could credit my sources on everything i say...but its the internet, i know it already, ive learned it already...you go look it up if you are so interested...and im sorry...but do i look like i give a rat's ass if people respond to my post? 99% of your posts are so hate filled and rediculous that is the only way you do generate a response(i guess negative attention is still attention)...and the people who are against you...are still against you...even the voices in your head say so...thank you, that is all....

 

 

 

 

 

for now :whistle

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see...this part of the argument i dont get...someone is sane as can be...and then all of a sudden, when they have a gun in their hands they become nuts...hmmm...ie..my point is...its like giving viagra to ron jeremy, or donuts to chris farley, or crack cocaine to richard pryor...guns are an addiction in this country and it has to stop...if it doesnt...accord's solution is going to happen in that everyone will have and use guns needlessly...the murder rate in this country will go higher than its rate of of obese people

 

Jimmy, quit being an idiot. Normal people do not just pick up a gun and go psycho and the article clearly states he was "planning the attack for a long time." Your problem is that every post comes straight out of your ass with not even the smallest ounce of common sense or logic, you ignore all previously mentioned facts and do not even bother to read the article or post you're actually responding to.

 

Law abiding citizens do not murder people and do not commit crimes, why is this so god damn difficult for you to comprehend? What is the matter with you? I'm not being sarcastic here, I am genuinely interested in what is seriously wrong with you.

 

You keep bringing up that you've got a degree in history as if that's supposed to give you some sort of credibility on the subject, that says a lot about the current state of the American university system. I'm curious as to where you "earned" your degree - Big Bird State College?

 

Do you ever wonder why 99% of the time people don't even bother replying to your posts? I'll give you a hint: it's not because you make good points. The only time people ever respond to you or acknowledge your involvement in a thread is when you say something that is so batshit crazy, so off the wall that calling you out on it is irresistable. Even the people who are completely against me on this forum think you and your posts are absolutely ridiculous.

 

Get a clue, Jimmy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Moderators: I'll take my ban now. Thanks!

hmmm...where to begin...ok...first of all...call me an idiot again and then come here and back it up tough guy(you can even bring your gun psychopath)...secondly...this is where you missed it before in my other post...why does someone go from sane without a gun to insane with one as you are claiming here...the guy was nuts, probably has been for more than quite some time at this point...which means...someone...anyone should have stopped this guy from legally carrying a gun...i mean god...isnt it common sense for bartenders to cut off a drunk and for someone to keep a gun out of a psychopath's hands? and you complain about my logic and yours to death and destruction to all...im sorry...but that logic does zero good whatsoever...and i read the article and all the posts in this thread thank you very much...quite interesting and good debate on both sides of the line except for your endless BS on how guns save lives...and what is the difference between a criminal and a law abiding citizen? an action...one action that can come from anger, joy, sadness, kindness, bitterness, etc...one small action is the difference between a criminal and a law abiding citizen...are you understanding this yet? probably not...so ill continue...has anyone in this thread ever driven home drunk? i have...what if i killed someone...that is the end of their life, and the beginning of mine as a criminal, as jail bait...thats all it takes...most people dont just make up their mind one day and say...hey...i think ill just kill everyone i see...it doesnt work like that...but it starts all with a little action...and for your information...i have a degree in history from framingham state college here in massachusetts...i keep referring to it so that you may actually believe that im not just pulling random things from my hind end for the sake of stupid arguments with you...i could credit my sources on everything i say...but its the internet, i know it already, ive learned it already...you go look it up if you are so interested...and im sorry...but do i look like i give a rat's ass if people respond to my post? 99% of your posts are so hate filled and rediculous that is the only way you do generate a response(i guess negative attention is still attention)...and the people who are against you...are still against you...even the voices in your head say so...thank you, that is all....

 

 

 

 

 

for now :whistle

 

Jimmy, incase you haven't realized, I am not debating you anymore. I've wasted way too much time giving you facts which simply fall on deaf ears, therefore i'm not wasting my time anymore. I do find it absolutely pathetic that you admit to drunk driving, that is despicable, you better be pretty damn thankful you didn't kill anyone with your stupidity.

 

However, I have been waiting a long time to use this, when I first saw it I was like "oh my god, this is going to be perfect for Jimmy." Prepare yourself............

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accord...you could no more debate someone than be a kind, warm, gentle, caring person...see...you dont possess any of these qualities that actual people have...now i dont want to take up space with a big long message here...but let me just say this...when you learn peace and prosperity, ill type my sentences the way you wish...until then...you're f**ked...deal with it

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accord...you could no more debate someone than be a kind, warm, gentle, caring person...see...you dont possess any of these qualities that actual people have...now i dont want to take up space with a big long message here...but let me just say this...when you learn peace and prosperity, ill type my sentences the way you wish...until then...you're f**ked...deal with it

 

Jimmy,

 

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

-Mark Twain

 

Read, and heed.

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before this crap gets locked up I just want to say that guns are possibly the worst mistake in human kind ... THEY KILL PEOPLE ... kinda like cancer, and I dont care how many cool weapons all of you have or how many rifles accord has, to me you are a bunch of psychopaths for owning one in the first place and for absolutly no reason, or even better lets take it to the gym so I can pump some iron and carry one with me at all times then lose your bag, your bags gets to the hands of "insane" people and BAM we could be in line for another whoopsie because I mean you are all sane for carrying one, you have a permit so it makes it a-ok :thumbup

 

im so glad none of my friends are into that crap ... so so glad

 

* please none of you kill me and I guess its because of other people with guns the reason that im safe and sound today phew

 

and im not trying to get a cheap shot at anyone I just dont see anything positive out of owning guns and trying to get people's opinion on them to change

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accord...you could no more debate someone than be a kind, warm, gentle, caring person...see...you dont possess any of these qualities that actual people have...now i dont want to take up space with a big long message here...but let me just say this...when you learn peace and prosperity, ill type my sentences the way you wish...until then...you're f**ked...deal with it

 

Jimmy,

 

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

-Mark Twain

 

Read, and heed.

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." ?Mark Twain, 1857 (im glad you are a marine and will maybe learn something about people and life...(back to topic at hand)...people kill people by using tools to do so...guns are very efficient death dealers...they(guns), much like the cotton gin, have outlived their usefulness as a tool of man...president lincoln freed the slaves...maybe a future president can free us from fear...fear from the proverbial cap in my ass :thumbup

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before this crap gets locked up I just want to say that guns are possibly the worst mistake in human kind ... THEY KILL PEOPLE ... kinda like cancer, and I dont care how many cool weapons all of you have or how many rifles accord has, to me you are a bunch of psychopaths for owning one in the first place and for absolutly no reason, or even better lets take it to the gym so I can pump some iron and carry one with me at all times then lose your bag, your bags gets to the hands of "insane" people and BAM we could be in line for another whoopsie because I mean you are all sane for carrying one, you have a permit so it makes it a-ok :thumbup

 

im so glad none of my friends are into that crap ... so so glad

 

* please none of you kill me and I guess its because of other people with guns the reason that im safe and sound today phew

 

and im not trying to get a cheap shot at anyone I just dont see anything positive out of owning guns and trying to get people's opinion on them to change

 

How can someone be so misguided? Guns are a tool and nothing more, OH MY GOD THEY KILL PEOPLE OMGGGG!!!!!!!!!!111111111111one. Get over it. People have been killing other people since the beginning of time, before it was guns, it was swords, daggers, bow and arrows, clubs, rocks, whatever. The most brutal periods in the history of the world happened before guns ever existed. Guns are not the problem and they never will be, you can take every gun on the face of this earth and send them all into space and NOTHING will change, why? Because the same evil people and the same criminals will still be around.

 

It is truly a sad state of affairs when someone is villified and even called "psycho" simply because they exercise their 2nd Amendment rights as an American citizen and a law abiding resident of the state of Florida. If it weren't for guns, we'd be British, and i'm beginning to think some of you would actually enjoy that.

 

Molon Labe.

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before this crap gets locked up I just want to say that guns are possibly the worst mistake in human kind ... THEY KILL PEOPLE ... kinda like cancer, and I dont care how many cool weapons all of you have or how many rifles accord has, to me you are a bunch of psychopaths for owning one in the first place and for absolutly no reason, or even better lets take it to the gym so I can pump some iron and carry one with me at all times then lose your bag, your bags gets to the hands of "insane" people and BAM we could be in line for another whoopsie because I mean you are all sane for carrying one, you have a permit so it makes it a-ok :thumbup

 

im so glad none of my friends are into that crap ... so so glad

 

* please none of you kill me and I guess its because of other people with guns the reason that im safe and sound today phew

 

and im not trying to get a cheap shot at anyone I just dont see anything positive out of owning guns and trying to get people's opinion on them to change

 

So I assume you don't use knives, cleaning supplies, or put anything into electrical outlets? They kill as well.

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before this crap gets locked up I just want to say that guns are possibly the worst mistake in human kind ... THEY KILL PEOPLE ... kinda like cancer, and I dont care how many cool weapons all of you have or how many rifles accord has, to me you are a bunch of psychopaths for owning one in the first place and for absolutly no reason, or even better lets take it to the gym so I can pump some iron and carry one with me at all times then lose your bag, your bags gets to the hands of "insane" people and BAM we could be in line for another whoopsie because I mean you are all sane for carrying one, you have a permit so it makes it a-ok :thumbup

 

im so glad none of my friends are into that crap ... so so glad

 

* please none of you kill me and I guess its because of other people with guns the reason that im safe and sound today phew

 

and im not trying to get a cheap shot at anyone I just dont see anything positive out of owning guns and trying to get people's opinion on them to change

 

So I assume you don't use knives, cleaning supplies, or put anything into electrical outlets? They kill as well.

I also hope he doesn't swim in any swimming pools or drive any cars, both of those things kill more kids every year than guns.

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I also hope he doesn't swim in any swimming pools or drive any cars, both of those things kill more kids every year than guns.

 

 

The list can go on:

 

Matches, bath tubs, hardware supplies (nails, screws), coins, pets.

 

The big trick of many gun control advocates is to include any person under 21 that dies from a gunshot for any reason as a "child gun death."

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I also hope he doesn't swim in any swimming pools or drive any cars, both of those things kill more kids every year than guns.

 

 

The list can go on:

 

Matches, bath tubs, hardware supplies (nails, screws), coins, pets.

 

The big trick of many gun control advocates is to include any person under 21 that dies from a gunshot for any reason as a "child gun death."

what do all of these have in common? none were designed to be lethal...guns were designed to kill people, they are the worst invention in the history of man...

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I also hope he doesn't swim in any swimming pools or drive any cars, both of those things kill more kids every year than guns.

 

 

The list can go on:

 

Matches, bath tubs, hardware supplies (nails, screws), coins, pets.

 

The big trick of many gun control advocates is to include any person under 21 that dies from a gunshot for any reason as a "child gun death."

what do all of these have in common? none were designed to be lethal...guns were designed to kill people, they are the worst invention in the history of man...

 

What about swords?

Have you ever been to a torture museum? Have you seen what tools man has used to kill in the past?

If anything you should say guns are a huge advancement because now you can die within seconds relatively painlessly with a shot to the head instead of bleeding to death in agonizing pain for hours or even days.

 

Violence will never go away. It is human nature. How it is dealt with is what is most important.

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I also hope he doesn't swim in any swimming pools or drive any cars, both of those things kill more kids every year than guns.

 

 

The list can go on:

 

Matches, bath tubs, hardware supplies (nails, screws), coins, pets.

 

The big trick of many gun control advocates is to include any person under 21 that dies from a gunshot for any reason as a "child gun death."

what do all of these have in common? none were designed to be lethal...guns were designed to kill people, they are the worst invention in the history of man...

 

What about swords?

Have you ever been to a torture museum? Have you seen what tools man has used to kill in the past?

If anything you should say guns are a huge advancement because now you can die within seconds relatively painlessly with a shot to the head instead of bleeding to death in agonizing pain for hours or even days.

 

Violence will never go away. It is human nature. How it is dealt with is what is most important.

oh ive been to the torture museums and i know that virtually everything could be used as a tool to kill...but guns make killing am efficient and cowardess act...and most people who die from guns, probably endure quite a bit of pain, and blood...and i know violence will never go away...but it sure as hell couldnt hurt to try to limit the availability of guns to everyone...in my experience, guns are more easily available than alcohol, pot, and many other things that are alot less dangerous than guns

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