July 3, 200719 yr Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.), the chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, said Sunday he wants to ?more widely? use surveillance cameras across the country. ?The Brits have got something smart going in England, and it was part of why I believe they were able to so quickly apprehend suspects in the terrorist acts over the weekend, and that is they have cameras all over London and other of their major cities,? Lieberman said. ?I think it?s just common sense to do that here much more widely,? he added. ?And of course, we can do it without compromising anybody?s real privacy.? Lieberman lamented the ?petty, partisan fighting? in Congress and called on his colleagues to join together to upgrade the nation?s electronic surveillance capabilities. ?Right now, we?re at a partisan gridlock over the question of whether the American government can listen into conversations or follow e-mail trails of non-American citizen,? he said on ABC?s This Week with George Stephanopoulos. ?That?s wrong. We?ve got to solve that problem, pass a law to give the people working for us the ability to protect us.? Lieberman, who is more closely aligned with the GOP than the Democrats he caucuses with on the war in Iraq and many national security issues and insisted Sunday that the surge in Iraq is working. ?You might say that, in Iraq, we?ve got the enemy on the run, but for some reason, in Washington, a lot of politicians are on the run to order a retreat by our troops even as they are beginning to succeed,? he said. Lieberman stated it is not fair to conclude that he is more likely to endorse a Republican for president. But he added that ?so far I would say that Democratic candidates, in the larger questions of American security, have been disappointing, and I hope things will get better as this goes on.? http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/lieber...2007-07-01.html
July 3, 200719 yr ...whether the American government can listen into conversations or follow e-mail trails of non-American citizen," he said on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos. "That's wrong. We've got to solve that problem, pass a law to give the people working for us the ability to protect us." Wow...just wow. Let's get this clear now. He isn't talking about suspected terrorists. He is saying all non-citizens, ie legal residents, etc. Joe needs to read his Bill of Rights: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..." SCOTUS has said that includes non-citizens. This man has gone off the deep end. He really has no clue anymore. Doesn't he still believe there is a link between 9-11 and Iraq?
July 3, 200719 yr Yeah, he's moving in the direction of Dick Cheney-esque thinking. And seriously, why is he still a Democrat? He's not actually one. I'm not even sure he fits into any political party, unless there is a Boogeyman Party.
July 3, 200719 yr Joe Lieberman can go to hell. This is where I draw the line as well. Come on! Fooking Orwelliens.
July 3, 200719 yr Yeah, he's moving in the direction of Dick Cheney-esque thinking. And seriously, why is he still a Democrat? He's not actually one. I'm not even sure he fits into any political party, unless there is a Boogeyman Party. Do you ever look at a guy's record before you start bashing? A nice little tool http://www.ontheissues.org/Joseph_Lieberman.htm
July 3, 200719 yr ...whether the American government can listen into conversations or follow e-mail trails of non-American citizen," he said on ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos. "That's wrong. We've got to solve that problem, pass a law to give the people working for us the ability to protect us." Wow...just wow. Let's get this clear now. He isn't talking about suspected terrorists. He is saying all non-citizens, ie legal residents, etc. Joe needs to read his Bill of Rights: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated..." SCOTUS has said that includes non-citizens. But if you're not doing anything wrong you shouldn't have anything to fear!
July 3, 200719 yr There's already surveillance in public places, so he wants more. How is that violating your rights?
July 3, 200719 yr There's already surveillance in public places, so he wants more. How is that violating your rights? Just because it doesn't violate your rights, doesn't make it ok. That's the tragic side effect of this presidency and people like Lieberman. The standard has been lowered to what is illegal, not what is right or wrong. Plus England is in a much different position than us in terms of surveillance. More cities, more sites, more people, etc.
July 3, 200719 yr The issue isn't wthether to place cameras in private places, its the issue of spying on noncitizens. Very dangerous precedent and gives way too much power to an already federal government, that since the 1960s has become way too dictatorial.
July 3, 200719 yr I am all for surveillance cameras in public places. Working in security at a retail store that uses CCTV survelliance, I know what a great tool it is to catch people breaking the law. I see nothing wrong with it as long as it used in public places only.
July 3, 200719 yr There's already surveillance in public places, so he wants more. How is that violating your rights? Just because it doesn't violate your rights, doesn't make it ok. That's the tragic side effect of this presidency and people like Lieberman. The standard has been lowered to what is illegal, not what is right or wrong. Plus England is in a much different position than us in terms of surveillance. More cities, more sites, more people, etc. Not saying I'm for it. I hate surveillance. I was just clarifying given some of the responses on here.
July 3, 200719 yr Very dangerous precedent and gives way too much power to an already federal government, that since the 1960s has become way too dictatorial. We have a winner
July 4, 200719 yr Joe Lieberman can go to hell. My thoughts exactly. "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
July 4, 200719 yr Joe Lieberman can go to hell. My thoughts exactly. "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Bingo. /end thread
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