August 12, 200719 yr Brandon Webb has throws 33 straight scoreless innings Orel Hershiser has the record at 59 (which is absurd by the way) On Aug. 30, 1988, the Dodgers faced the Expos at Stade Olympique. Orel Hershiser was on the mound. In the bottom of the fifth, with the Dodgers up 4-0, the Expos scored two runs. It was the last time a team would score on Hershiser that season. He blanked the Expos for the final four innings of that game, upping his record to 18-8 and lowering his ERA to 2.84. Here's what the rest of his year looked like: Sept. 5: At Atlanta, 9 IP, 0 runs, 4 hits Sept. 10: In LA vs. the Reds, 9 IP, 0 runs, 7 hits Sept. 14: In LA, vs. the Braves, 9 IP, 0 runs, 6 hits Sept. 19: At Houston, 9 IP, 0 runs, 4 hits Sept. 23: At San Francisco, 9 IP, 0 runs, 5 hits Sept. 28: At San Diego, 10 IP, 0 runs, 4 hits
August 12, 200719 yr I thought about grouping Webb's achievement in with Jenks and making a thread about both of them, but then I decided that Jenks was more impressive, so take that, Brandon Webb. Webb is in the shadow of Hershiser for now.
August 12, 200719 yr Author I thought about grouping Webb's achievement in with Jenks and making a thread about both of them, but then I decided that Jenks was more impressive, so take that, Brandon Webb. Webb is in the shadow of Hershiser for now. ur In the Shad0w of heRshiSer!!!!!!!!!1111
August 12, 200719 yr 59 is on par with 56.. riidiculous what's the 56? I am guessing Joe Dimaggio's streak.
August 12, 200719 yr Author 59 is on par with 56.. riidiculous what's the 56? I am guessing Joe Dimaggio's streak. ah right... duh
August 12, 200719 yr Orel Hershiser has the record at 59 (which is absurd by the way) I thought someone else had it for 59 2/3?
August 12, 200719 yr So, did Orel get player of the month for September? i don't think they had that back then
August 12, 200719 yr 59 is on par with 56.. riidiculous what's the 56? I am guessing Joe Dimaggio's streak. ah right... duh Speaking of crazy consecutive streaks that are on par with DiMaggio, here's two from Ted Williams: Most Consecutive Games Reaching Base: 84 Most Consecutive Plate Appearances Reaching Base: 16 (Both of those are absolutely ridiculous) Probability-wise, Orel's feat is the hardest streak for an "average" player to have happen to them by chance. Mind you, it's a matter of degree because DiMaggio's streak and Williams' are still like 1 in a trillion probability events.
August 12, 200719 yr 59 is on par with 56.. riidiculous what's the 56? I am guessing Joe Dimaggio's streak. ah right... duh Speaking of crazy consecutive streaks that are on par with DiMaggio, here's two from Ted Williams: Most Consecutive Games Reaching Base: 84 Most Consecutive Plate Appearances Reaching Base: 16 (Both of those are absolutely ridiculous) Probability-wise, Orel's feat is the hardest streak for an "average" player to have happen to them by chance. Mind you, it's a matter of degree because DiMaggio's streak and Williams' are still like 1 in a trillion probability events. How about crazy streaks that will never be broken? Johnny Vander Meer's two consecutive no hitters. I find it hard to believe that anyone will ever throw 3 in a row.
August 12, 200719 yr Webb is ridiculous, he and Matt Holiday are the 2 most underrated players in the game IMO. Amazing streak here too.
August 12, 200719 yr Webb is ridiculous, he and Matt Holiday are the 2 most underrated players in the game IMO. Amazing streak here too. I agree on Webb but if anything I think Holliday is overrated. He's another Coors Field creation.
August 13, 200719 yr Webb is ridiculous, he and Matt Holiday are the 2 most underrated players in the game IMO. Amazing streak here too. I agree on Webb but if anything I think Holliday is overrated. He's another Coors Field creation. Career Home: 1.074 OPS Career Away: .767 OPS Hard to argue against those numbers. If you just want to look at the last two years, since last year was when he started breaking out, his away numbers do go up abit (.819 last year, .833 this year...by no means bad but by no means amazing), but it's clear to see it's number padding at home (his slg drops off over .200 points in both seasons compared to home and away). For being such a "power" hitter, his away power numbers are actually really depressing...last year .485 SLG, this year .470...again, not bad, but when you're talking power hitters you want something atleast .550+. He only averages a home run every 29.83 ABs (3%) away the past two years, compared to 14.08 at home (7%), so he hits over double the amount of homeruns at home then away in equal ABs. It's also not just his power numbers...he's batting only .289 the past two years away, compared to .374 at home. He still walks at about the same rate, year, but that's still leads to nearly a .100 point difference in OBP. Whoever overpays him when he's done with arbitration is gonna be f***ed, for lack of a better term.
August 13, 200719 yr 59 consecutive scoreless innings is so sick. With that said, if you had to pick what is a more difficult feat I would have to go with Joe D's 56 game hit streak as being slightly more sick. Any thoughts?
August 13, 200719 yr I think I'd go with Orel's just because, while both are incredibly difficult, you can afford to get just one hit out of four at bats in a game and keep it going while you have to consistently shut people out to match the Hershiser streak.
August 13, 200719 yr 59 consecutive scoreless innings is so sick. With that said, if you had to pick what is a more difficult feat I would have to go with Joe D's 56 game hit streak as being slightly more sick. Any thoughts? I ran the numbers on this a while back when discussing this same question with a couple of friends. These numbers are very unscientific and assume alot more than I'd normally be willing to assume, but it's just one of these thought experiment, oh-what-the-hell, things. Basically, I asked myself "How likely would it be for an average player to have that streak, by chance." The average hitter gets a hit at around a .260 clip, and the average pitcher gives up a run about every other inning. Here's what I came up with: - Ted Williams 85 game consecutive on-base streak: .000258% - DiMaggio's 56 game consecutive hit streak: 0.0001228% - Ted Williams 16 plate appearance consecutive on-base streak: .00000319% - Orel's 59 inning consecutive scoreless streak: .0000000000000001735% (To get an idea, think about how difficult it would be to flip a coin and have it land on heads 59 straight times) Like I said, this isn't perfectly scientific, but it's trying to find a way to compare incomparable feats that we may never see matched in our lifetimes.
August 13, 200719 yr 59 consecutive scoreless innings is so sick. With that said, if you had to pick what is a more difficult feat I would have to go with Joe D's 56 game hit streak as being slightly more sick. Any thoughts? I ran the numbers on this a while back when discussing this same question with a couple of friends. These numbers are very unscientific and assume alot more than I'd normally be willing to assume, but it's just one of these thought experiment, oh-what-the-hell, things. Basically, I asked myself "How likely would it be for an average player to have that streak, by chance." The average hitter gets a hit at around a .260 clip, and the average pitcher gives up a run about every other inning. Here's what I came up with: - Ted Williams 85 game consecutive on-base streak: .000258% - DiMaggio's 56 game consecutive hit streak: 0.0001228% - Ted Williams 16 plate appearance consecutive on-base streak: .00000319% - Orel's 59 inning consecutive scoreless streak: .0000000000000001735% (To get an idea, think about how difficult it would be to flip a coin and have it land on heads 59 straight times) Like I said, this isn't perfectly scientific, but it's trying to find a way to compare incomparable feats that we may never see matched in our lifetimes. Excellent. Even if it contains a lot of assumptions, its still holds more water than my stab in the dark.
August 13, 200719 yr Im sure there is a "luck" stat out there that will tell us just how lucky Orel and Brandon are. :pctoss
August 13, 200719 yr Im sure there is a "luck" stat out there that will tell us just how lucky Orel and Brandon are. :pctoss I don't understand why luckiness can't be a factor? The best teams are lucky. The best players are lucky. That's not an insult to their talent; instead, its more an affriamation of how f***ing good they are.
August 13, 200719 yr Im sure there is a "luck" stat out there that will tell us just how lucky Orel and Brandon are. :pctoss You mean you can't see how luck could be involved in any one player not allowing a single run over the course of 4 (or in Orel's case, almost 7) complete games? Unless he's striking out every batter he faces, there's going to be a ton of luck involved. Or, if you don't like the word luck, then there's going to be a lot of factors beyond the pitchers control (which is essentially what most people would mean when they use the word "luck" in this context".
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