O, btw Wagner definitely lost this game the Mets and Phillies have nothing on us plus Hanley went 2-3

 

Stop trying to blame other teams, the Marlins players commit four errors and uggla had a very bad game, so stop trying to blame others and try to move on.

 

He's just pointing out the truth. Uggla had a bad game but he didn't cost the NL any runs and the game wouldn't have gone into extra innings had Wagner not blown the lead.

Well with the bat he cost the NL a couple of runs.

O, btw Wagner definitely lost this game the Mets and Phillies have nothing on us plus Hanley went 2-3

 

Stop trying to blame other teams, the Marlins players commit four errors and uggla had a very bad game, so stop trying to blame others and try to move on.

 

He's just pointing out the truth. Uggla had a bad game but he didn't cost the NL any runs and the game wouldn't have gone into extra innings had Wagner not blown the lead.

Well with the bat he cost the NL a couple of runs.

 

True, but it shouldn't have gotten that far and nobody else stepped up with the bat either.

We just can't admit when our guys mess up. i would bet if Uttly had the kind of game Uggly had, we would be reading that another pitcher allow 2 runs

We just can't admit when our guys mess up. i would bet if Uttly had the kind of game Uggly had, we would be reading that another pitcher allow 2 runs

 

Who's admitting that our guys didn't mess up? They did. They didn't cost the NL the game, though.

As terrible as Uggla played, the A-Hole Of The Game Award goes to Billy Wagner for blowing the lead and letting the game go into extra innings.

Relievers blow leads all the time. It's a very common occurrence.

 

When was the last time you saw a guy make 3 errors and also fail to drive in the go ahead run in extra innings from 3rd with less that two outs twice while also strking out with a runner on in another AB and in one of the ABs with the runner on 3rd he hit into a DP?

 

He had one of the worst games I've ever seen. I think he'll have bad memories about it for the rest of his life but I don't think it will adversely impact on how he plays the rest of the year.

We just can't admit when our guys mess up. i would bet if Uttly had the kind of game Uggly had, we would be reading that another pitcher allow 2 runs

 

Who's admitting that our guys didn't mess up? They did. They didn't cost the NL the game, though.

Honestly, I think Uggla did cost the NL the win. Blaming a pitcher for blowing a save is so common place now, but Wagner isn't the only goat. Uggla hit into a double play with the go-ahead run on third in a tie game, and THEN struck out in a tie game with the bases loaded and only one out. This doesn't take into account the THREE untimely errors he had, or his other TWO strikeouts. The fact that Cook got the NL out of the inning unscathed does not take away from Uggla's putrid performance at the plate.

 

The only good thing about this whole fiasco is that apparently Uggla isn't really too bothered by it. It looks like he is letting it roll off his shoulders, which shows what kind of character he has. Hopefully, this can be used as a positive for when the games really count, and Uggla can continue his strong season into the second half.

As terrible as Uggla played, the A-Hole Of The Game Award goes to Billy Wagner for blowing the lead and letting the game go into extra innings.

Relievers blow leads all the time. It's a very common occurrence.

 

When was the last time you saw a guy make 3 errors and also fail to drive in the go ahead run in extra innings from 3rd with less that two outs twice while also strking out with a runner on in another AB and in one of the ABs with the runner on 3rd he hit into a DP?

 

He had one of the worst games I've ever seen. I think he'll have bad memories about it for the rest of his life but I don't think it will adversely impact on how he plays the rest of the year.

I think we were typing our rebuttal posts at the same time! Totally agree!

You take Uggla's worst possible outlook on how he would perform, multiply it by 3, and you have his performance last night.

 

I felt so sorry for him. Small-market guys are supposed to go out there and impress big-market people with what you can do, make a name for yourself. Uggla's performance justified the media's ignorance of all things Marlins. This is not the way I wanted things to go.

 

But who cares. We're 1.5 games outta first, and we have a good solid team. We're gonna do this!

 

GO FISH

Marlins errors allowed no runs. Yes Uggla did go 0-4 but does that mean we should blame every player on the NL that went 0 for?

The same people who are criticizing other people for blaming other players for the loss are the same ones that become HUGE pessimists when we lose a single game. Here is my problem: the entire thread contains close to nothing of not admitting to Uggla's mistakes. Your beef with blaming "us" for not admitting Uggla's mistakes is weird considering the fact that really only one person has not completely blamed Uggla. Don't exaggerate a problem that doesn't exist. Just like all these people on this board who exaggerate the problem of "oh well I guess are true team colors are coming out now that we have lost a game." Considering the fact more than 50% of the time the Marlins have won, I would say that the numbers would suggest that our "true colors" are winning. Again, a problem (in this case, it being losing) is exaggerated. Just wanted to get this off my chest now that the second half of the season is starting. You don't know how much it bothers me when I see someone say "Oh looks like we are not seeing first place again," or, "Looks like are true colors are showing," after losing a game or two. Gimme a break we have lost 45 times this season, am I going to hear this another 40-something times? I hope the answer is no.

I think Uggla should just come out and hammer the Phillies this weekend.

 

That'll more than make up for what happened.

We just can't admit when our guys mess up. i would bet if Uttly had the kind of game Uggly had, we would be reading that another pitcher allow 2 runs

 

Who's admitting that our guys didn't mess up? They did. They didn't cost the NL the game, though.

Honestly, I think Uggla did cost the NL the win. Blaming a pitcher for blowing a save is so common place now, but Wagner isn't the only goat. Uggla hit into a double play with the go-ahead run on third in a tie game, and THEN struck out in a tie game with the bases loaded and only one out. This doesn't take into account the THREE untimely errors he had, or his other TWO strikeouts. The fact that Cook got the NL out of the inning unscathed does not take away from Uggla's putrid performance at the plate.

 

The only good thing about this whole fiasco is that apparently Uggla isn't really too bothered by it. It looks like he is letting it roll off his shoulders, which shows what kind of character he has. Hopefully, this can be used as a positive for when the games really count, and Uggla can continue his strong season into the second half.

 

All of this wouldnt have happened to Uggla if Wagner didn't give up a double to the rookie longoria with 2 outs.

As terrible as Uggla played, the A-Hole Of The Game Award goes to Billy Wagner for blowing the lead and letting the game go into extra innings.

Relievers blow leads all the time. It's a very common occurrence.

 

When was the last time you saw a guy make 3 errors and also fail to drive in the go ahead run in extra innings from 3rd with less that two outs twice while also strking out with a runner on in another AB and in one of the ABs with the runner on 3rd he hit into a DP?

 

He had one of the worst games I've ever seen. I think he'll have bad memories about it for the rest of his life but I don't think it will adversely impact on how he plays the rest of the year.

 

 

 

 

 

again, this wouldnt have happened if wagner didnt give up a double to longoria with 2 outs.

As terrible as Uggla played, the A-Hole Of The Game Award goes to Billy Wagner for blowing the lead and letting the game go into extra innings.

Relievers blow leads all the time. It's a very common occurrence.

 

When was the last time you saw a guy make 3 errors and also fail to drive in the go ahead run in extra innings from 3rd with less that two outs twice while also strking out with a runner on in another AB and in one of the ABs with the runner on 3rd he hit into a DP?

 

He had one of the worst games I've ever seen. I think he'll have bad memories about it for the rest of his life but I don't think it will adversely impact on how he plays the rest of the year.

 

 

 

 

 

again, this wouldnt have happened if wagner didnt give up a double to longoria with 2 outs.

 

 

that was the bottom of the 8th....

 

lidge could have still screwed things up in the 9th

Are we still playing the blame game here? "Should have, could have, would have..." get over it.

It was no one's fault in particular. It was a team effort. Certain guys didn't step up when they should have.

End. Of. Story.

Are we still playing the blame game here? "Should have, could have, would have..." get over it.

It was no one's fault in particular. It was a team effort. Certain guys didn't step up when they should have.

End. Of. Story.

 

You tell 'em, Ash! :lol

O, btw Wagner definitely lost this game the Mets and Phillies have nothing on us plus Hanley went 2-3

 

Stop trying to blame other teams, the Marlins players commit four errors and uggla had a very bad game, so stop trying to blame others and try to move on.

 

He's just pointing out the truth. Uggla had a bad game but he didn't cost the NL any runs and the game wouldn't have gone into extra innings had Wagner not blown the lead.

Well with the bat he cost the NL a couple of runs.

 

True, but it shouldn't have gotten that far and nobody else stepped up with the bat either.

 

 

We just can't admit when our guys mess up. i would bet if Uttly had the kind of game Uggly had, we would be reading that another pitcher allow 2 runs

 

First of all thanks Louie for seeing my point.

 

I have seen from your previous posts "MVETOY" you are quick to point out this forums view on Hanley and Uggla and how "WE" "THINK" they can do nothing wrong, thats horse crap. To sit here and say we all have rose-colored glasses on when Hanley or Uggla makes a mistake is just stubborn and arrogant. Sure there is some but please dont put me in that category, I hold Hanley and Uggla to just as much responsibility as Hermida and Jacobs.

 

With that being said Uggla had 3 nearly 4 errors, 0 of those errors turned out to be runs. In Uggla's defense at the plate, I think he was pressing because how the game had played out so it only got worse as the game wore on, who is to say anything would have been different with another player batting, sure maybe the outcome would have been different but you cannot assume someone else would have got the runs in for the NL, the NL wasn't exactly owning the AL pitching, batters were striking out left and right, and this is against the games best.

 

The NL had a 3-2 lead when Wagner came into the 8th inning with 2 outs and a runner on first Sizemore promptly stole 2nd base and then Wagner gave up the game tying double to Longoria.

 

Point in all of this is sure we can all say it was Uggla's fault the NL lost but in reality it wasn't that falls on the shoulders of two pitchers who are on contending teams in the NL East.

O, btw Wagner definitely lost this game the Mets and Phillies have nothing on us plus Hanley went 2-3

 

Stop trying to blame other teams, the Marlins players commit four errors and uggla had a very bad game, so stop trying to blame others and try to move on.

 

He's just pointing out the truth. Uggla had a bad game but he didn't cost the NL any runs and the game wouldn't have gone into extra innings had Wagner not blown the lead.

Well with the bat he cost the NL a couple of runs.

 

True, but it shouldn't have gotten that far and nobody else stepped up with the bat either.

 

 

We just can't admit when our guys mess up. i would bet if Uttly had the kind of game Uggly had, we would be reading that another pitcher allow 2 runs

 

First of all thanks Louie for seeing my point.

 

I have seen from your previous posts "MVETOY" you are quick to point out this forums view on Hanley and Uggla and how "WE" "THINK" they can do nothing wrong, thats horse crap. To sit here and say we all have rose-colored glasses on when Hanley or Uggla makes a mistake is just stubborn and arrogant. Sure there is some but please dont put me in that category, I hold Hanley and Uggla to just as much responsibility as Hermida and Jacobs.

 

With that being said Uggla had 3 nearly 4 errors, 0 of those errors turned out to be runs. In Uggla's defense at the plate, I think he was pressing because how the game had played out so it only got worse as the game wore on, who is to say anything would have been different with another player batting, sure maybe the outcome would have been different but you cannot assume someone else would have got the runs in for the NL, the NL wasn't exactly owning the AL pitching, batters were striking out left and right, and this is against the games best.

 

The NL had a 3-2 lead when Wagner came into the 8th inning with 2 outs and a runner on first Sizemore promptly stole 2nd base and then Wagner gave up the game tying double to Longoria.

 

Point in all of this is sure we can all say it was Uggla's fault the NL lost but in reality it wasn't that falls on the shoulders of two pitchers who are on contending teams in the NL East.

F'n A.

Dan Uggla didn't give up any runs. Dan Uggla wasn't the only guy there. There were 8 other men who went up there. Now, I'm not saying having him do badly didn't hurt the NL. It sucked. But he didn't blow this game. The NL got no hits with men in RISP all night. That's pathetic.

 

Billy Wagner blew the lead. Brad Lidge blew the game. Both have been a couple of my favorite pitchers for year (Astro's closers, sorry), but they blew the game.

As terrible as Uggla played, the A-Hole Of The Game Award goes to *Billy Wagner for blowing the lead and letting the game go into extra innings.

 

*Brad Lidge

 

For blowing the game and making the NL lose. Either way.

 

Brad Lidge was up 6 times and threw over 100 warmup pitches...

 

Sucks he gave up the run, but the boner of the day goes to Wagner. Uggla in the end didn't really end up costing the NL the game I guess, but I wish he would have gotten a base hit.

 

I think 100 is an exaggeration... if he really wanted to win, he could have put more effort, atleast for his first inning. And yes, this event is about winning, because they all want to go to the world series.

As terrible as Uggla played, the A-Hole Of The Game Award goes to *Billy Wagner for blowing the lead and letting the game go into extra innings.

 

*Brad Lidge

 

For blowing the game and making the NL lose. Either way.

 

Brad Lidge was up 6 times and threw over 100 warmup pitches...

 

Sucks he gave up the run, but the boner of the day goes to Wagner. Uggla in the end didn't really end up costing the NL the game I guess, but I wish he would have gotten a base hit.

 

I think 100 is an exaggeration... if he really wanted to win, he could have put more effort, atleast for his first inning. And yes, this event is about winning, because they all want to go to the world series.

He threw atleast 50. That was some of the worst bullpen management of a single pitcher ever. It was terrible.

 

I know Hurdle wanted to use him as the closer, but at one point you just got to put him in there as opposed to risking his injury with more warm up pitches.

WHO...CARES!?!

 

I fell asleep for the 1st 6 innings...I awoke when Hanley got his 2nd hit.

Who cares? It's an exhibition game...the "it means something now" is bullcrap. Home field advantage means nearly nothing in October...what means something is getting hot in October.

 

Look back at the last couple years since this whole "home-field advantage" thing started, and tell me how many teams have won the World Series BECAUSE of home field advantage.

This isn't basketball. The sport isn't fixed for the home team to win at least 95% of the time, to make things interesting.

 

It's an exhibition game...quite possibly the worst All-Star Performance ever. If this team can comeback from blowing a 13-4 lead, and losing 18-17, I'm sure Danny Uggla can comeback from a performance that will soon be forgotten (thanks to Aaron Cook and Carlos Marmol, btw).

WHO...CARES!?!

 

I fell asleep for the 1st 6 innings...I awoke when Hanley got his 2nd hit.

Who cares? It's an exhibition game...the "it means something now" is bullcrap. Home field advantage means nearly nothing in October...what means something is getting hot in October.

 

Look back at the last couple years since this whole "home-field advantage" thing started, and tell me how many teams have won the World Series BECAUSE of home field advantage.

This isn't basketball. The sport isn't fixed for the home team to win at least 95% of the time, to make things interesting.

 

It's an exhibition game...quite possibly the worst All-Star Performance ever. If this team can comeback from blowing a 13-4 lead, and losing 18-17, I'm sure Danny Uggla can comeback from a performance that will soon be forgotten (thanks to Aaron Cook and Carlos Marmol, btw).

Yeah, tell Clint Hurdle that homefield doesn't matter.

 

The home team has one about 75% of the games in the World Series this decade. In baseball, that's kinda alot.

O, btw Wagner definitely lost this game the Mets and Phillies have nothing on us plus Hanley went 2-3

 

Stop trying to blame other teams, the Marlins players commit four errors and uggla had a very bad game, so stop trying to blame others and try to move on.

 

He's just pointing out the truth. Uggla had a bad game but he didn't cost the NL any runs and the game wouldn't have gone into extra innings had Wagner not blown the lead.

Well with the bat he cost the NL a couple of runs.

 

True, but it shouldn't have gotten that far and nobody else stepped up with the bat either.

 

 

We just can't admit when our guys mess up. i would bet if Uttly had the kind of game Uggly had, we would be reading that another pitcher allow 2 runs

 

First of all thanks Louie for seeing my point.

 

I have seen from your previous posts "MVETOY" you are quick to point out this forums view on Hanley and Uggla and how "WE" "THINK" they can do nothing wrong, thats horse crap. To sit here and say we all have rose-colored glasses on when Hanley or Uggla makes a mistake is just stubborn and arrogant. Sure there is some but please dont put me in that category, I hold Hanley and Uggla to just as much responsibility as Hermida and Jacobs.

 

With that being said Uggla had 3 nearly 4 errors, 0 of those errors turned out to be runs. In Uggla's defense at the plate, I think he was pressing because how the game had played out so it only got worse as the game wore on, who is to say anything would have been different with another player batting, sure maybe the outcome would have been different but you cannot assume someone else would have got the runs in for the NL, the NL wasn't exactly owning the AL pitching, batters were striking out left and right, and this is against the games best.

 

The NL had a 3-2 lead when Wagner came into the 8th inning with 2 outs and a runner on first Sizemore promptly stole 2nd base and then Wagner gave up the game tying double to Longoria.

 

Point in all of this is sure we can all say it was Uggla's fault the NL lost but in reality it wasn't that falls on the shoulders of two pitchers who are on contending teams in the NL East.

F'n A.

Dan Uggla didn't give up any runs. Dan Uggla wasn't the only guy there. There were 8 other men who went up there. Now, I'm not saying having him do badly didn't hurt the NL. It sucked. But he didn't blow this game. The NL got no hits with men in RISP all night. That's pathetic.

 

Billy Wagner blew the lead. Brad Lidge blew the game. Both have been a couple of my favorite pitchers for year (Astro's closers, sorry), but they blew the game.

 

Not to mention that it was Adrian Gonzalez(or at least I think it was) who struck out right after Uggla with the bases loaded. But honestly, who's surprised? They did what the team does - homer. Hanley got on base, was on the move, committed a routine throwing error. While Uggla struck out (like everyone on the team), couldn't hit a watermelon off a t while there were runners in scoring position, and in his last at bat, his swings looked horrible; his arm kept coming off the bat at every swing, it was horrendous. It's as if the baseball gods were trying to give Uggla an ASG MVP, and he couldn't deal with the pressure. But, one can't expect much from someone who missed 11 straight games, then came in and played two games before the break. I can guarantee you that if he wasn't named to the AS team, he wouldn't have came back until after the break. The third error wasn't much he could do. The ball took a bad hop, he blocked it picked it up and back hand tossed it over but with the speedy runner it wasn't enough. Uggla's errors didn't lead to any runs, so it makes no difference. I'm surprised everyone forgot about Hanleys error. I haven't heard any jokes on espn about "leave it to the Marlins to commit errors". I mean honestly, he screwed up, but who cares? It didn't cost the game, and he did at least make the first out of that 2 error inning with his throw to the plate.

WHO...CARES!?!

 

I fell asleep for the 1st 6 innings...I awoke when Hanley got his 2nd hit.

Who cares? It's an exhibition game...the "it means something now" is bullcrap. Home field advantage means nearly nothing in October...what means something is getting hot in October.

 

Look back at the last couple years since this whole "home-field advantage" thing started, and tell me how many teams have won the World Series BECAUSE of home field advantage.

This isn't basketball. The sport isn't fixed for the home team to win at least 95% of the time, to make things interesting.

 

It's an exhibition game...quite possibly the worst All-Star Performance ever. If this team can comeback from blowing a 13-4 lead, and losing 18-17, I'm sure Danny Uggla can comeback from a performance that will soon be forgotten (thanks to Aaron Cook and Carlos Marmol, btw).

Yeah, tell Clint Hurdle that homefield doesn't matter.

 

The home team has one about 75% of the games in the World Series this decade. In baseball, that's kinda alot.

 

The home team has one about 75%

 

has one

 

has won... ok, there we go.

 

:thumbup

WHO...CARES!?!

 

I fell asleep for the 1st 6 innings...I awoke when Hanley got his 2nd hit.

Who cares? It's an exhibition game...the "it means something now" is bullcrap. Home field advantage means nearly nothing in October...what means something is getting hot in October.

 

Look back at the last couple years since this whole "home-field advantage" thing started, and tell me how many teams have won the World Series BECAUSE of home field advantage.

This isn't basketball. The sport isn't fixed for the home team to win at least 95% of the time, to make things interesting.

 

It's an exhibition game...quite possibly the worst All-Star Performance ever. If this team can comeback from blowing a 13-4 lead, and losing 18-17, I'm sure Danny Uggla can comeback from a performance that will soon be forgotten (thanks to Aaron Cook and Carlos Marmol, btw).

Yeah, tell Clint Hurdle that homefield doesn't matter.

 

The home team has one about 75% of the games in the World Series this decade. In baseball, that's kinda alot.

 

The home team has one about 75%

 

has one

 

has won... ok, there we go.

 

:thumbup

Bah, I've made that mistake way too often lately!

 

*shame*