The ailment wasn't previously disclosed, and it helps explain why Gregg is 0-4 in his past seven outings with an ERA of 16.20. "Unfortunately I think I made a bad decision of trying to play through some inflammation in my knee, and it has cost me and cost the team a couple of games," Gregg said Saturday. Gregg is expected to be sidelined only a few days

The ailment wasn't previously disclosed, and it helps explain why Gregg is 0-4 in his past seven outings with an ERA of 16.20. "Unfortunately I think I made a bad decision of trying to play through some inflammation in my knee, and it has cost me and cost the team a couple of games," Gregg said Saturday. Gregg is expected to be sidelined only a few days

 

lmaoooooooooo thats that bullllllllllllllllllllllllll

 

goodbye gregg, dont let the door hit ya!

Show me Lindstrom.

Palm beach reports that he will be out for at least 2 games.

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...rlinsnotes.html

If he was really injured and tried to play through it, wow. Way to ruin our season, punk.

Palm beach reports that he will be out for at least 2 games.

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...rlinsnotes.html

 

 

Common sense reports he will be out at least the rest of the season for dumba**ery.

Palm beach reports that he will be out for at least 2 games.

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...rlinsnotes.html

 

 

Common sense reports he will be out at least the rest of the season for dumba**ery.

 

 

no i can see him coming back. Like erick said, he gets a couple more saves and pitches good the last month, his trade value can increase

I'm not defending Gregg.

Fact is, you guys are being too hard on this guy. What's the difference between Kevin Gregg and "the great" Matt Lindstrom, this year? Gregg has actually had a better year.

 

Problem is, I understand that Gregg was/is a middle reliever. He was brought in to be a middle reliever. This falls on the front office b/c fact is, the only reason Gregg was closing is b/c Jorge Julio was a REAL fail. I laugh at those who even compare Gregg to Julio...and that's why I say "you're being too hard on him."

 

He's an overpaid middle reliever (b/c of the overrated "save" stat). A middle reliever who would...do well in middle relief.

 

I'm also not convinced Lindstrom and his 1.6 WHIP / less than an inning per appearance man is "the answer." Lindstrom is also not as young as most people make him out to be. Joe Nelson is definitely not the answer (I'd rather see Lindstrom than anyone else in the pen right now, for what it's worth).

 

I'm not defending Gregg's nine blown saves.

I'm just saying the more saves he gets the better it is for us.

 

Saves are overrated by the entire league. It's the reason why K-Rod is getting 15 mill that he doesn't deserve this offseason, and the reason Gregg is the highest paid player on the team.

 

You might not think it...but saves are considered more valuable than holds (despite the fact that they're the same sh*t, basically).

 

Getting about 35 saves would've given us a good young player for Gregg. But now that he's blown nine...and has faked an injury (this injury is BS), his trade value goes down. That's all I'm saying.

 

I've never really defended Gregg, on here. I've called him an average (at best) closer / solid middle reliever, and I still think he's that.

Palm beach reports that he will be out for at least 2 games.

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...rlinsnotes.html

 

 

Common sense reports he will be out at least the rest of the season for dumba**ery.

 

 

no i can see him coming back. Like erick said, he gets a couple more saves and pitches good the last month, his trade value can increase

 

 

I think it is more important right now to see if Lindstrom can be our closer next year. Then if he does not do well Lindstrom can battle it out wit Tucker in spring training to see who is our closer next year

Considering he was likely to be non-tendered means that his "trade value" is irrelevant anyway.

Palm beach reports that he will be out for at least 2 games.

 

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/conte...rlinsnotes.html

 

 

Common sense reports he will be out at least the rest of the season for dumba**ery.

 

 

no i can see him coming back. Like erick said, he gets a couple more saves and pitches good the last month, his trade value can increase

 

 

I think it is more important right now to see if Lindstrom can be our closer next year. Then if he does not do well Lindstrom can battle it out wit Tucker in spring training to see who is our closer next year

 

Id love to see what tucker can do this year as a closer. Lindstrom is good, but i think tucker can be better

yea please go on the DL

 

 

Yeah...b/c making the bullpen worse + decreasing his trade value by not pitching anymore this year, is something this team really needs.

That's assuming the Marlins are actually planning on trading him or have buyers asking about him. I'm willing to be neither is the case and he's going to walk in the offseason period.

 

Secondly, based on his recent string of performances I'm prepared to say his absence makes the pen no worse.

yea please go on the DL

 

 

Yeah...b/c making the bullpen worse + decreasing his trade value by not pitching anymore this year, is something this team really needs.

That's assuming the Marlins are actually planning on trading him or have buyers asking about him. I'm willing to be neither is the case and he's going to walk in the offseason period.

 

Secondly, based on his recent string of performances I'm prepared to say his absence makes the pen no worse.

 

 

The bullpen, in general, is inconsistent. Gregg just takes the most heat b/c he's the "closer."

yea please go on the DL

 

 

Yeah...b/c making the bullpen worse + decreasing his trade value by not pitching anymore this year, is something this team really needs.

That's assuming the Marlins are actually planning on trading him or have buyers asking about him. I'm willing to be neither is the case and he's going to walk in the offseason period.

 

Secondly, based on his recent string of performances I'm prepared to say his absence makes the pen no worse.

 

 

The bullpen, in general, is inconsistent. Gregg just takes the most heat b/c he's the "closer."

 

 

true, but he did have a good season last year. He just has been absolutely horrible this year. Not just that but the inconsistency. He either goes and saves 4 straight games or he can go and blow 3 straight games. This team needs to find a closer who can get a 1-2-3 inning in the 9th, Gregg has done that rarely. Ryan Tucker was a closer at Wake Forest and has said he feels more confortable as a closer, that is why i say we let Lindstrom and Tucker battle it out the next couple of days to see which one should be closer

He has an easier job and has performed terribly. He deserves the heat. He rarely has to deal with inherited runners and usually comes in with a lead.

He has an easier job and has performed terribly. He deserves the heat. He rarely has to deal with inherited runners and usually comes in with a lead.

 

exactly, the most praise should go to Joe Nelson. Most of the situations he has come into this year have come with like the bases loaded or just men on base with less than 2 outs. And almost every time he is great

He has an easier job and has performed terribly. He deserves the heat. He rarely has to deal with inherited runners and usually comes in with a lead.

 

 

That's probably why he's doing so bad. He actually does well, in those situations.

 

Anyways, it's the same sh*t. A setup man usually comes in with the lead, as well.

 

Take the "next great thing..." Matt Lindstrom. Despite his 100 mph fastball, he has a 1.58 WHIP on the season.

He's also only gone 46.1 innings in his 54 appearances, and has allowed batters to hit .287, with a .721 .OPS off of him this year, with 23 walks and 37 K's (also, not a great ratio).

 

However, from the comments on this board lately...you'd think Gregg was Jorge Julio, and that Lindstrom was the next coming of Jesus Christ.

He has an easier job and has performed terribly. He deserves the heat. He rarely has to deal with inherited runners and usually comes in with a lead.

 

 

That's probably why he's doing so bad. He actually does well, in those situations.

 

Anyways, it's the same sh*t. A setup man usually comes in with the lead, as well.

 

Take the "next great thing..." Matt Lindstrom. Despite his 100 mph fastball, he has a 1.58 WHIP on the season.

He's also only gone 46.1 innings in his 54 appearances, and has allowed batters to hit .287, with a .721 .OPS off of him this year, with 23 walks and 37 K's (also, not a great ratio).

 

However, from the comments on this board lately...you'd think Gregg was Jorge Julio, and that Lindstrom was the next coming of Jesus Christ.

 

nobody is sayin that, we just say there is a lot more potential in Lindstrom. At this point i believe it is more important to find out who our closer for next year is by putting in Lindstrom than keeping Gregg in there just to increase a trade value that doesn't exist

Consider it an issue of sampling size. All things considered he doesn't make the team much better by being on the roster. He's easily replaceable and the fact that he's expensive only makes it worse.

He has an easier job and has performed terribly. He deserves the heat. He rarely has to deal with inherited runners and usually comes in with a lead.

 

 

That's probably why he's doing so bad. He actually does well, in those situations.

 

Anyways, it's the same sh*t. A setup man usually comes in with the lead, as well.

 

Take the "next great thing..." Matt Lindstrom. Despite his 100 mph fastball, he has a 1.58 WHIP on the season.

He's also only gone 46.1 innings in his 54 appearances, and has allowed batters to hit .287, with a .721 .OPS off of him this year, with 23 walks and 37 K's (also, not a great ratio).

 

However, from the comments on this board lately...you'd think Gregg was Jorge Julio, and that Lindstrom was the next coming of Jesus Christ.

 

nobody is sayin that, we just say there is a lot more potential in Lindstrom. At this point i believe it is more important to find out who our closer for next year is by putting in Lindstrom than keeping Gregg in there just to increase a trade value that doesn't exist

 

 

Potential is a word used for young players. Lindstrom is 28 years old; by comparison, Gregg is only 2 years older. So if that's the argument...I'm not feelin' it.

 

I can accept that if you're talking about someone like Ryan Tucker, however. Or even Kensing.

 

By the time you're 28, however, you shouldn't exactly be waiting for potential, anymore. It should already be fulfilled.

Consider it an issue of sampling size. All things considered he doesn't make the team much better by being on the roster. He's easily replaceable and the fact that he's expensive only makes it worse.

 

1. I don't get your "consider it an issue of sampling size" quote.

2. I can agree with the rest. Especially with the part of him being "replaceable."

He has an easier job and has performed terribly. He deserves the heat. He rarely has to deal with inherited runners and usually comes in with a lead.

 

 

That's probably why he's doing so bad. He actually does well, in those situations.

 

Anyways, it's the same sh*t. A setup man usually comes in with the lead, as well.

 

Take the "next great thing..." Matt Lindstrom. Despite his 100 mph fastball, he has a 1.58 WHIP on the season.

He's also only gone 46.1 innings in his 54 appearances, and has allowed batters to hit .287, with a .721 .OPS off of him this year, with 23 walks and 37 K's (also, not a great ratio).

 

However, from the comments on this board lately...you'd think Gregg was Jorge Julio, and that Lindstrom was the next coming of Jesus Christ.

 

nobody is sayin that, we just say there is a lot more potential in Lindstrom. At this point i believe it is more important to find out who our closer for next year is by putting in Lindstrom than keeping Gregg in there just to increase a trade value that doesn't exist

 

 

Potential is a word used for young players. Lindstrom is 28 years old; by comparison, Gregg is only 2 years older. So if that's the argument...I'm not feelin' it.

 

I can accept that if you're talking about someone like Ryan Tucker, however. Or even Kensing.

 

By the time you're 28, however, you shouldn't exactly be waiting for potential, anymore. It should already be fulfilled.

 

 

First off, Kensing does not have potential, for years he has been that guy that is only called up when somebody gets injured.

 

Two, weren't u the one saying that it is stupid to give up on guys with potential no matter what the age, u like to use the examples Carlos Quentin and Jeremy Hermida.

 

At age 28, he can be with this team for an excessible 10-12 SUCCESSFUL years. I would love to have a 100 mph fastball with an effective slider for that long. He just needs to work on his location. When u put him in the game more as a closer, he gets to work his location and gain confidence, if he fails it is just as simple to wait till spring training and let Tucker and Lindstrom battle to see who is closer next year

I don't buy this. :thumbdown

 

I bet he'll continue to be the closer unless he is traded.

He has an easier job and has performed terribly. He deserves the heat. He rarely has to deal with inherited runners and usually comes in with a lead.

 

 

That's probably why he's doing so bad. He actually does well, in those situations.

 

Anyways, it's the same sh*t. A setup man usually comes in with the lead, as well.

 

Take the "next great thing..." Matt Lindstrom. Despite his 100 mph fastball, he has a 1.58 WHIP on the season.

He's also only gone 46.1 innings in his 54 appearances, and has allowed batters to hit .287, with a .721 .OPS off of him this year, with 23 walks and 37 K's (also, not a great ratio).

 

However, from the comments on this board lately...you'd think Gregg was Jorge Julio, and that Lindstrom was the next coming of Jesus Christ.

 

nobody is sayin that, we just say there is a lot more potential in Lindstrom. At this point i believe it is more important to find out who our closer for next year is by putting in Lindstrom than keeping Gregg in there just to increase a trade value that doesn't exist

 

 

Potential is a word used for young players. Lindstrom is 28 years old; by comparison, Gregg is only 2 years older. So if that's the argument...I'm not feelin' it.

 

I can accept that if you're talking about someone like Ryan Tucker, however. Or even Kensing.

 

By the time you're 28, however, you shouldn't exactly be waiting for potential, anymore. It should already be fulfilled.

 

 

First off, Kensing does not have potential, for years he has been that guy that is only called up when somebody gets injured.

 

Two, weren't u the one saying that it is stupid to give up on guys with potential no matter what the age, u like to use the examples Carlos Quentin and Jeremy Hermida.

 

At age 28, he can be with this team for an excessible 10-12 SUCCESSFUL years. I would love to have a 100 mph fastball with an effective slider for that long. He just needs to work on his location. When u put him in the game more as a closer, he gets to work his location and gain confidence, if he fails it is just as simple to wait till spring training and let Tucker and Lindstrom battle to see who is closer next year

 

First off, Kensing has very good stuff (basically the same as Lindstrom with 5 mph less on his fastball). Your assessment on him is wrong.

 

Second, there's a difference between players who are 24-25 to a player who's 28, 29, 30, etc. Once you're 28, you're already in your prime, basically.

 

Lindstrom does have very good stuff, but for him...it's time to start gaining some consistency already...if he's going to be something special.

First off, Kensing does not have potential, for years he has been that guy that is only called up when somebody gets injured.

 

Two, weren't u the one saying that it is stupid to give up on guys with potential no matter what the age, u like to use the examples Carlos Quentin and Jeremy Hermida.

 

At age 28, he can be with this team for an excessible 10-12 SUCCESSFUL years. I would love to have a 100 mph fastball with an effective slider for that long. He just needs to work on his location. When u put him in the game more as a closer, he gets to work his location and gain confidence, if he fails it is just as simple to wait till spring training and let Tucker and Lindstrom battle to see who is closer next year

 

First off, Kensing has very good stuff (basically the same as Lindstrom with 5 mph less on his fastball). Your assessment on him is wrong.

 

Second, there's a difference between players who are 24-25 to a player who's 28, 29, 30, etc. Once you're 28, you're already in your prime, basically.

 

Lindstrom does have very good stuff, but for him...it's time to start gaining some consistency already...if he's going to be something special.

 

 

and the only way to get consistency is to get some practice in game time situations, u are not going to get better sitting on the bench. I'm not sayin he is our future closer, it is just time to give him a shot, we have nothing to lose.

 

I do not see the great think about Kensing. He and Nate Bump are basically the same guy imo. They are future minor leaguers that come in once in a while to pitch the 6th-7th inning in blowouts.