The last time the management showed that they cared about winning to the fans was during the 2005 season when we signed Delgado, of course he didn't lead us to the playoffs but at least he showed us that he cared. I believe attendance was extremely high that year, all we want is for the FO to show us hope, show us they want to keep a core of players around for a while, and we will show up, i promise u

You're wrong, the attendance dropped from 26th in 2004 to 28th in 2005.

 

 

Actually, that is pretty high for the Marlins. :thumbup

The point is that Miami doesn't give a crap about "big names", they just say that as an excuse for not going to the games. We signed Delgado to a big deal and the attendance dropped.

The last time the management showed that they cared about winning to the fans was during the 2005 season when we signed Delgado, of course he didn't lead us to the playoffs but at least he showed us that he cared. I believe attendance was extremely high that year, all we want is for the FO to show us hope, show us they want to keep a core of players around for a while, and we will show up, i promise u

You're wrong, the attendance dropped from 26th in 2004 to 28th in 2005.

 

 

ouch, I stand corrected, thanks Rab, just showed the marlins haven't had any fans show up to the game since 97, I don't even feel a new stadium will do it. If they wanted to bring fans, they should have built the stadium where the condos are (they weren't there last year) near Panthers arena, they could've attracted Hialiah, Broward, Pompano beach and others that i can't think of currently, all of these are via the turnpike. The marlins just ran out of time and i believe settled for Hialiah, in an area that is a bad nieborhood, I feel there will not be a huge increase in attendence

The OB site is nowhere near Hialeah, it's in Little Havana.

 

And, incase you were wondering, it's a much better neighborhood than where Dolphin Stadium is.

The last time the management showed that they cared about winning to the fans was during the 2005 season when we signed Delgado, of course he didn't lead us to the playoffs but at least he showed us that he cared. I believe attendance was extremely high that year, all we want is for the FO to show us hope, show us they want to keep a core of players around for a while, and we will show up, i promise u

You're wrong, the attendance dropped from 26th in 2004 to 28th in 2005.

 

 

ouch, I stand corrected, thanks Rab, just showed the marlins haven't had any fans show up to the game since 97, I don't even feel a new stadium will do it. If they wanted to bring fans, they should have built the stadium where the condos are (they weren't there last year) near Panthers arena, they could've attracted Hialiah, Broward, Pompano beach and others that i can't think of currently, all of these are via the turnpike. The marlins just ran out of time and i believe settled for Hialiah, in an area that is a bad nieborhood, I feel there will not be a huge increase in attendence

The OB site is nowhere near Hialeah, it's in Little Havana.

 

And, incase you were wondering, it's a much better neighborhood than where Dolphin Stadium is.

Depends how you see things.

 

DS is kind of away from all the housing, while the OB is literally surrounded by them.

The last time the management showed that they cared about winning to the fans was during the 2005 season when we signed Delgado, of course he didn't lead us to the playoffs but at least he showed us that he cared. I believe attendance was extremely high that year, all we want is for the FO to show us hope, show us they want to keep a core of players around for a while, and we will show up, i promise u

You're wrong, the attendance dropped from 26th in 2004 to 28th in 2005.

 

 

ouch, I stand corrected, thanks Rab, just showed the marlins haven't had any fans show up to the game since 97, I don't even feel a new stadium will do it. If they wanted to bring fans, they should have built the stadium where the condos are (they weren't there last year) near Panthers arena, they could've attracted Hialiah, Broward, Pompano beach and others that i can't think of currently, all of these are via the turnpike. The marlins just ran out of time and i believe settled for Hialiah, in an area that is a bad nieborhood, I feel there will not be a huge increase in attendence

The OB site is nowhere near Hialeah, it's in Little Havana.

 

And, incase you were wondering, it's a much better neighborhood than where Dolphin Stadium is.

 

I do not believe Little Havana is a great neighborhood

The last time the management showed that they cared about winning to the fans was during the 2005 season when we signed Delgado, of course he didn't lead us to the playoffs but at least he showed us that he cared. I believe attendance was extremely high that year, all we want is for the FO to show us hope, show us they want to keep a core of players around for a while, and we will show up, i promise u

You're wrong, the attendance dropped from 26th in 2004 to 28th in 2005.

 

 

ouch, I stand corrected, thanks Rab, just showed the marlins haven't had any fans show up to the game since 97, I don't even feel a new stadium will do it. If they wanted to bring fans, they should have built the stadium where the condos are (they weren't there last year) near Panthers arena, they could've attracted Hialiah, Broward, Pompano beach and others that i can't think of currently, all of these are via the turnpike. The marlins just ran out of time and i believe settled for Hialiah, in an area that is a bad nieborhood, I feel there will not be a huge increase in attendence

The OB site is nowhere near Hialeah, it's in Little Havana.

 

And, incase you were wondering, it's a much better neighborhood than where Dolphin Stadium is.

Depends how you see things.

 

DS is kind of away from all the housing, while the OB is literally surrounded by them.

Housing is right there. If you exit from the turnpike and take the turn before the first entrance to the DS, you hit houses very quickly. I know because I mistakenly turned in there the first time I drove to a game.

thing is erick tell me all the big league names out there that are FA next year? or anyone for the matter so i can describe what i meant.

The last time the management showed that they cared about winning to the fans was during the 2005 season when we signed Delgado, of course he didn't lead us to the playoffs but at least he showed us that he cared. I believe attendance was extremely high that year, all we want is for the FO to show us hope, show us they want to keep a core of players around for a while, and we will show up, i promise u

You're wrong, the attendance dropped from 26th in 2004 to 28th in 2005.

 

 

ouch, I stand corrected, thanks Rab, just showed the marlins haven't had any fans show up to the game since 97, I don't even feel a new stadium will do it. If they wanted to bring fans, they should have built the stadium where the condos are (they weren't there last year) near Panthers arena, they could've attracted Hialiah, Broward, Pompano beach and others that i can't think of currently, all of these are via the turnpike. The marlins just ran out of time and i believe settled for Hialiah, in an area that is a bad nieborhood, I feel there will not be a huge increase in attendence

The OB site is nowhere near Hialeah, it's in Little Havana.

 

And, incase you were wondering, it's a much better neighborhood than where Dolphin Stadium is.

 

I do not believe Little Havana is a great neighborhood

It's ugly and poor, but crime rates are low there, both property and violent crimes. Most people just assume that it is dangerous because it's full of poor hispanics.

 

http://neighborhoods.realtor.com/FL/Miami/...739/Crime-stats

Chicken or the egg? The Marlins can't exactly afford to sign anyone if people don't pay for attendance.

 

 

Paid attendance was almost 12,000 for todays game.

 

If the Marlins had high expectations for next season, I think they would be able to sell more than that in just season tickets.

That's almost nothing but season tickets.

 

 

Actually, the Marlins have less than 5,000 season tickets.

The last time the management showed that they cared about winning to the fans was during the 2005 season when we signed Delgado, of course he didn't lead us to the playoffs but at least he showed us that he cared. I believe attendance was extremely high that year, all we want is for the FO to show us hope, show us they want to keep a core of players around for a while, and we will show up, i promise u

You're wrong, the attendance dropped from 26th in 2004 to 28th in 2005.

 

 

Actually, that is pretty high for the Marlins. :thumbup

The point is that Miami doesn't give a crap about "big names", they just say that as an excuse for not going to the games. We signed Delgado to a big deal and the attendance dropped.

 

 

Do you think that if the Marlins ended up aquiring Manny, their attendance would have stayed the same?

Chicken or the egg? The Marlins can't exactly afford to sign anyone if people don't pay for attendance.

 

 

Paid attendance was almost 12,000 for todays game.

 

If the Marlins had high expectations for next season, I think they would be able to sell more than that in just season tickets.

That's almost nothing but season tickets.

 

 

Actually, the Marlins have less than 5,000 season tickets.

Are you telling me that 5,000 people bought tickets and didn't show up?

The last time the management showed that they cared about winning to the fans was during the 2005 season when we signed Delgado, of course he didn't lead us to the playoffs but at least he showed us that he cared. I believe attendance was extremely high that year, all we want is for the FO to show us hope, show us they want to keep a core of players around for a while, and we will show up, i promise u

You're wrong, the attendance dropped from 26th in 2004 to 28th in 2005.

 

 

Actually, that is pretty high for the Marlins. :thumbup

The point is that Miami doesn't give a crap about "big names", they just say that as an excuse for not going to the games. We signed Delgado to a big deal and the attendance dropped.

 

 

Do you think that if the Marlins ended up aquiring Manny, their attendance would have stayed the same?

After a week or so, yeah.

After a week or so, yeah.

 

 

Thats the opposite of what you just said.

Chicken or the egg? The Marlins can't exactly afford to sign anyone if people don't pay for attendance.

 

 

Paid attendance was almost 12,000 for todays game.

 

If the Marlins had high expectations for next season, I think they would be able to sell more than that in just season tickets.

That's almost nothing but season tickets.

 

 

Actually, the Marlins have less than 5,000 season tickets.

Are you telling me that 5,000 people bought tickets and didn't show up?

 

 

Link.

First post here (although I've been lurking for a while). I follow the Marlins here in Tennessee.

 

What are the reasons why people don't go to the games?? I really don't know. It just amazes me nobody attends the games!?!? And this is Miami for goodness sake!

 

Can somebody clue me in on this? Is it some sort of sour grapes with the ownership?? (I vaguely remember somebody telling me that on an unrelated, non baseball message board last year)

 

See my post above.

 

Nobody cares about baseball down here.

I do.

We're nobodies then?

 

And... who cares? The attendance is bad and HAS been bad for a while. Shocking.

Link.

Wow. I wonder if that's only full season tickets or all ticket plans.

After a week or so, yeah.

 

 

Thats the opposite of what you just said.

How is that so?

 

I think people would be like "MANNY IS HERE!", maybe go to a couple games the first week he is here, and then forget about it entirely.

 

That's not caring, if you ask me.

thing is erick tell me all the big league names out there that are FA next year? or anyone for the matter so i can describe what i meant.

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/12/2009-mlb-free-a.html

After a week or so, yeah.

 

 

Thats the opposite of what you just said.

How is that so?

 

I think people would be like "MANNY IS HERE!", maybe go to a couple games the first week he is here, and then forget about it entirely.

 

That's not caring, if you ask me.

 

 

Oh, I was just referring to when you said "Miami doesn't care about big names".

 

I think they do, but they would rather see high expectations for the season, instead of one high quality player.

After a week or so, yeah.

 

 

Thats the opposite of what you just said.

How is that so?

 

I think people would be like "MANNY IS HERE!", maybe go to a couple games the first week he is here, and then forget about it entirely.

 

That's not caring, if you ask me.

 

 

Oh, I was just referring to when you said "Miami doesn't care about big names".

 

I think they do, but they would rather see high expectations for the season, instead of one high quality player.

Ah, I get what you are saying. But what I meant was that people would "care" for a couple games and no longer. A Marlins team with or without Manny would end with the season attendance.

After a week or so, yeah.

 

 

Thats the opposite of what you just said.

How is that so?

 

I think people would be like "MANNY IS HERE!", maybe go to a couple games the first week he is here, and then forget about it entirely.

 

That's not caring, if you ask me.

 

 

Oh, I was just referring to when you said "Miami doesn't care about big names".

 

I think they do, but they would rather see high expectations for the season, instead of one high quality player.

Ah, I get what you are saying. But what I meant was that people would "care" for a couple games and no longer. A Marlins team with or without Manny would end with the season attendance.

 

 

Trust me, I'm not trying to turn this into an "I wish we could have traded for Manny" thread, but if we had him, I think we would be in better shape than we are in now.

 

Manny would not only draw for a little while just because he is a big name player, but if he kept the Marlins in contention for the playoffs, he could have affected the attendance for the rest of the season.

Trust me, I'm not trying to turn this into an "I wish we could have traded for Manny" thread, but if we had him, I think we would be in better shape than we are in now.

 

Manny would not only draw for a little while just because he is a big name player, but if he kept the Marlins in contention for the playoffs, he could have affected the attendance for the rest of the season.

Well, that's assuming he did. Even if he came over here and he murdered the ball, we would still be in bad shape given that everyone else on the team would still be hitting like sh*t.

Catchers

Brad Ausmus (40)

Paul Bako (37)

Rod Barajas (33) - $2.5MM club option for '09 with a $0.5MM buyout

Michael Barrett (32)

Henry Blanco (37) - $3MM mutual option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout

Johnny Estrada (33)

Toby Hall (33) - $2.25MM club option for '09 with a $0.15MM buyout

Jason LaRue (35)

Paul Lo Duca (37)

Miguel Olivo (30) - $2.7MM mutual option for '09 with a $0.1MM buyout

Mike Redmond (38) - $0.95MM club option for '09 with a $0.1MM buyout

Ivan Rodriguez (37)

David Ross (32)

Javier Valentin (33)

Jason Varitek (37)

Gregg Zaun (38)

 

First basemen

Rich Aurilia (37)

Hank Blalock (28) - $6.2MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout

Sean Casey (34)

Tony Clark (37)

Carlos Delgado (37) - $12MM club option for '09 with a $4MM buyout (unlikely to vest)

Nomar Garciaparra (35)

Jason Giambi (38) - $22MM club option for '09 with a $5MM buyout

Wes Helms (33) - $3.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.75MM buyout

Eric Hinske (31)

Doug Mientkiewicz (35)

Kevin Millar (37)

Richie Sexson (34)

Mark Teixeira (29)

Daryle Ward (34)

 

Second basemen

Willie Bloomquist (31)

Geoff Blum (36) - club option for '09

Jamey Carroll (35) - $2.5MM club option for '09 with a $0.15MM buyout

Craig Counsell (38)

Ray Durham (37)

Damion Easley (39)

David Eckstein (34)

Mark Ellis (32)

Mark Grudzielanek (39)

Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)

Orlando Hudson (31)

Tadahito Iguchi (34)

Jeff Kent (41)

Felipe Lopez (29)

Mark Loretta (37)

Nick Punto (31)

 

Shortstops

Willie Bloomquist (31)

Orlando Cabrera (34)

Alex Cintron (30)

Alex Cora (33)

Craig Counsell (38)

David Eckstein (34)

Adam Everett (32)

Rafael Furcal (31)

Nomar Garciaparra (35)

Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)

Cesar Izturis (29)

Felipe Lopez (29)

Edgar Renteria (33) - $12MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout

Juan Uribe (30)

Ramon Vazquez (32)

Omar Vizquel (42) - $5.2MM club option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout

 

Third basemen

Rich Aurilia (37)

Casey Blake (35)

Hank Blalock (28) - $6.2MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout

Willie Bloomquist (31)

Geoff Blum (36) - club option for '09

Aaron Boone (36)

Russell Branyan (33)

Craig Counsell (38)

Joe Crede (31)

Nomar Garciaparra (35)

Wes Helms (33) - $3.75MM club option for '09

Chipper Jones (37) - $8-11MM vesting option for '09

Fernando Tatis (34)

Ramon Vazquez (32)

 

Left fielders

Moises Alou (42)

Garret Anderson (37) - $14MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout

Milton Bradley (31)

Emil Brown (34)

Pat Burrell (32)

Carl Crawford (27) - $8.25MM club option for '09 with a $2.5MM buyout

Adam Dunn (29)

Cliff Floyd (36) - $2.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout

Luis Gonzalez (41)

Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)

Raul Ibanez (37)

Gabe Kapler (33)

Kevin Mench (31)

Jason Michaels (33) - $2.6MM club option for '09

Craig Monroe (32)

Greg Norton (36)

Jay Payton (36)

Wily Mo Pena (27) - $5MM club option or $2MM player option for '09

Manny Ramirez (37)

Juan Rivera (30)

Fernando Tatis (34)

 

Center fielders

Rocco Baldelli (27)

Willie Bloomquist (31)

Mike Cameron (36) - $10MM club option for '09 with a $750K buyout

Jim Edmonds (39)

Jerry Hairston Jr. (33)

Gabe Kapler (33)

Mark Kotsay (33)

Corey Patterson (29)

Scott Podsednik (33)

 

Right fielders

Bobby Abreu (35)

Casey Blake (35)

Cliff Floyd (36) - $2.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout

Brian Giles (38) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout

Ken Griffey Jr. (39) - $16.5MM club option for '09 with a $4MM buyout

Vladimir Guerrero (33) - $15MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout

Gabe Kapler (33)

Jason Michaels (33) - $2.6MM club option for '09

Fernando Tatis (34)

Brad Wilkerson (32)

 

DHs

Milton Bradley (31)

Pat Burrell (32)

Adam Dunn (29)

Cliff Floyd (36) - $2.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout

Jason Giambi (38) - $22MM club option for '09 with $5MM buyout

Vladimir Guerrero (33) - $15MM club option for '09 with a $3MM buyout

Raul Ibanez (37)

Manny Ramirez (37)

Juan Rivera (30)

Mike Sweeney (35)

Frank Thomas (41)

Jim Thome (38) - $13MM club option for '09 with $3MM buyout; vests with 564 PAs in '08

Jose Vidro (34)

 

Starting pitchers

Kris Benson (33)

A.J. Burnett (32) - can opt out after '08 season

Paul Byrd (38)

Roger Clemens (46)

Matt Clement (33)

Bartolo Colon (36)

Ryan Dempster (32)

Shawn Estes (36)

Josh Fogg (32)

Freddy Garcia (33)

Jon Garland (29)

Tom Glavine (43)

Mike Hampton (36)

Mark Hendrickson (35)

Livan Hernandez (34)

Orlando Hernandez (43)

Jason Jennings (30)

Randy Johnson (45)

John Lackey (30) - $9MM club option for '09 with a $0.5MM buyout

Jon Lieber (39)

Kyle Lohse (30)

Braden Looper (34)

Rodrigo Lopez (33) - club option for '09

Derek Lowe (36)

Greg Maddux (43)

Pedro Martinez (37)

Jamie Moyer (46)

Mark Mulder (31) - $11MM club option for '09 with a $1.5MM buyout

Mike Mussina (40)

Carl Pavano (33) - $13MM club option for '09 with a $1.95MM buyout

Brad Penny (31) - $8.75MM club option for '09 with a $2MM buyout

Odalis Perez (32)

Oliver Perez (27)

Andy Pettitte (37)

Sidney Ponson (32)

Mark Prior (27)

Kenny Rogers (44)

C.C. Sabathia (28)

Curt Schilling (42)

Ben Sheets (30)

John Smoltz (42)

Tim Wakefield (42) - perpetual $4MM club option

Kip Wells (32)

Randy Wolf (32)

 

Closers

Brian Fuentes (33)

Eric Gagne (33)

Eddie Guardado (38)

Trevor Hoffman (41)

Jason Isringhausen (36)

Todd Jones (41)

Brandon Lyon (29)

Francisco Rodriguez (27)

Salomon Torres (37) - $3.75MM club option for '09 with a $0.3MM buyout

Kerry Wood (32)

 

Middle relievers

Jeremy Affeldt (30)

Luis Ayala (31)

Joe Beimel (32)

Joe Borowski (38)

Doug Brocail (42) - club option for '09

Shawn Chacon (31)

Juan Cruz (30)

Alan Embree (39) - $3MM club option for '09

Scott Eyre (37)

Kyle Farnsworth (33)

Casey Fossum (31)

Keith Foulke (35)

Tom Gordon (41) - $4.5MM club option for '09 with a $1MM buyout

LaTroy Hawkins (36)

Mark Hendrickson (35)

Matt Herges (39) - club option for '09

Bob Howry (35)

Jon Lieber (39)

Jason Johnson (35)

Damaso Marte (34) - $6MM club option for '09 with a $0.25MM buyout

Trever Miller (36) - $2MM club option for '09 with a $0.4MM buyout

Guillermo Mota (35)

Will Ohman (31)

Darren Oliver (38)

Chan Ho Park (36)

Horacio Ramirez (29)

Al Reyes (38)

Dennys Reyes (32)

Arthur Rhodes (39)

Juan Rincon (30)

Rudy Seanez (40)

Brian Shouse (40)

Russ Springer (40)

Mike Timlin (43)

Ron Villone (39)

David Weathers (39)

Kip Wells (32)

Matt Wise (33)

Jamey Wright (34)

 

ok Erick...this is just an example. all the players in bold...say we signed them. would it make us better? honestly i believe so.....ifi t makes us better we win more games which= fans. lets say we somehow lock up each and evry player for 5 years.....that shows the fans devotion, during those 5 years the team is going to win games and hopefully go to playoffs each year for a chance at the ring. i bolded ayala because i wouldn't nd him in our bullpen. i hope i explained myself a bit better

The Rays are leading their division and draws only 16,000.

ok Erick...this is just an example. all the players in bold...say we signed them. would it make us better? honestly i believe so.....ifi t makes us better we win more games which= fans. lets say we somehow lock up each and evry player for 5 years.....that shows the fans devotion, during those 5 years the team is going to win games and hopefully go to playoffs each year for a chance at the ring. i bolded ayala because i wouldn't nd him in our bullpen. i hope i explained myself a bit better

Do you really have to post the entire list instead of the 4 guys you are pointing out?

ok Erick...this is just an example. all the players in bold...say we signed them. would it make us better? honestly i believe so.....ifi t makes us better we win more games which= fans. lets say we somehow lock up each and evry player for 5 years.....that shows the fans devotion, during those 5 years the team is going to win games and hopefully go to playoffs each year for a chance at the ring. i bolded ayala because i wouldn't nd him in our bullpen. i hope i explained myself a bit better

Do you really have to post the entire list instead of the 4 guys you are pointing out?

 

 

my bad lol you guys don't have to get all pissed about it lol