October 8, 200817 yr Building a relationship with fans doesn't happen overnight. The organization has to have credibility, which the Marlins do not, given their history of breaking up teams, and though they may have a 'plan' right now, the fruits of it need come about before people feel safe trusting this organization (and even then, the people will still hesitate with good reason). No matter what valid points and fine rhetoric we spew out here on this message board, the reality is that the market the Marlins are dealing with needs familiar faces in order to feel a connection, and those faces become the image of the franchise in the minds of the people. That's just how it works, guys. The whole 'cheer for the team not for the player' is not something the Marlins are in position to do right now. That's not gonna sell tickets. Consistency will. Winning is not the only ingredient when it comes to ticket sales (we saw that this year); you need to have a group that people have become familiar with, to build an emotional bond with customers. The Marlins have done a terrible job in building this emotional bond; heck, I might say they haven't tried. The marketing has also been pretty sloppy over the years. Well at least YOU get it.....but many on this board never will I am afraid. When I talk to friends about the Marlins, they laugh, and then say something like "who is playing for them" ? Or "I'll go when so-and-so is in town to play them" because they have ZERO connection with the present team. The community interaction by the Marlins with South Fla is next to nil, especially now that it is the off-season. Most of the players split from So Fla, the minute the season is over and don't return until opening day. Consequently you have no interaction in the off-season that helps to build that bond between team, players and community. Also, when was the last time the Marlins held any kind of an event in South Miami-Dade county ? Like in the Pinecrest, Perrine, Deering or Cutler Bay areas ? There are plenty of people of wealth in that area (Mike Lowell has a multimillion $ home in Pinecrest) who are a potential source of fanbase, but yet the team has ignored them for 16 years. Yet holds community events in Boca Raton, which is farther in the opposite direction. That is just plain stupid marketing. :banghead Pinecrest is about 35 miles from Dolphin Stadium, and Boca is about 50 miles.....what makes more sense ? Both would, but for whatever reason, the Marlins have ignored a good chunk of South Fla, yet b*tch and moan about low attendance. WELL GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER IN THE PROMOTIONS DEPT ! :banghead good points that I hadn't given too much thought too, even being another Miami native.
October 8, 200817 yr Author Marketing? Seriously? This is baseball. If people like baseball, they would be going to games. No amount of marketing is going to make them like something that they have no interest in. Again, there are several places in this country that would support this team, no strings attached. Why do you people think South Florida fans need some kind of special treatment from the franchise? Seriously, it sounds very weak. Fans should come expecting baseball, not a friggin circus....but with the higher attendance on the Super Saturdays, maybe fans are just more interesting in a circus-like event than baseball...
October 8, 200817 yr Building a relationship with fans doesn't happen overnight. The organization has to have credibility, which the Marlins do not, given their history of breaking up teams, and though they may have a 'plan' right now, the fruits of it need come about before people feel safe trusting this organization (and even then, the people will still hesitate with good reason). No matter what valid points and fine rhetoric we spew out here on this message board, the reality is that the market the Marlins are dealing with needs familiar faces in order to feel a connection, and those faces become the image of the franchise in the minds of the people. That's just how it works, guys. The whole 'cheer for the team not for the player' is not something the Marlins are in position to do right now. That's not gonna sell tickets. Consistency will. Winning is not the only ingredient when it comes to ticket sales (we saw that this year); you need to have a group that people have become familiar with, to build an emotional bond with customers. The Marlins have done a terrible job in building this emotional bond; heck, I might say they haven't tried. The marketing has also been pretty sloppy over the years. Well at least YOU get it.....but many on this board never will I am afraid. When I talk to friends about the Marlins, they laugh, and then say something like "who is playing for them" ? Or "I'll go when so-and-so is in town to play them" because they have ZERO connection with the present team. The community interaction by the Marlins with South Fla is next to nil, especially now that it is the off-season. Most of the players split from So Fla, the minute the season is over and don't return until opening day. Consequently you have no interaction in the off-season that helps to build that bond between team, players and community. Also, when was the last time the Marlins held any kind of an event in South Miami-Dade county ? Like in the Pinecrest, Perrine, Deering or Cutler Bay areas ? There are plenty of people of wealth in that area (Mike Lowell has a multimillion $ home in Pinecrest) who are a potential source of fanbase, but yet the team has ignored them for 16 years. Yet holds community events in Boca Raton, which is farther in the opposite direction. That is just plain stupid marketing. :banghead Pinecrest is about 35 miles from Dolphin Stadium, and Boca is about 50 miles.....what makes more sense ? Both would, but for whatever reason, the Marlins have ignored a good chunk of South Fla, yet b*tch and moan about low attendance. WELL GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER IN THE PROMOTIONS DEPT ! :banghead That's pretty funny, and very incorrect. Because being a PBC resident I have always complained the team spends more time wooing the Dade residents, with only 2 or 3 visits to our county per year, with the exception of having ST here. But I guess that is too many for some people from Dade County to accept. Especially having ST here. I wasn't aware of any team that has it's players stay in their area during the off season. I always thought that was the time the players were allowed to go home to their families in other countries and states. And by families I don't mean just their wifes and children. Prior to the season and during the season the team does many community events. The team sponsors some and the Community Foundation sponsors others with the team's help. Most, if not all, events sponsored by the team are publisized on the Marlins web page. The Community Foundation sends out regular notices of when and where their events are held. You just need to take the time to sign up for it. Just because you aren't going to them dosen't mean they aren't happening. Could they do more? Probably yes. But I would be willing to bet they are right along with all other MLB teams when it comes to this sort of thing.
October 8, 200817 yr Marketing? Seriously? This is baseball. If people like baseball, they would be going to games. No amount of marketing is going to make them like something that they have no interest in. Again, there are several places in this country that would support this team, no strings attached. Why do you people think South Florida fans need some kind of special treatment from the franchise? Seriously, it sounds very weak. Fans should come expecting baseball, not a friggin circus....but with the higher attendance on the Super Saturdays, maybe fans are just more interesting in a circus-like event than baseball... Wow. Me and LM are agreeing on something. Some folks on this board sound like the little kid in the store, throwing a tantrum, and screaming, "But I want the bubble gum AND the candy bar!!"
October 8, 200817 yr Marketing? Seriously? This is baseball. If people like baseball, they would be going to games. No amount of marketing is going to make them like something that they have no interest in. Again, there are several places in this country that would support this team, no strings attached. Why do you people think South Florida fans need some kind of special treatment from the franchise? Seriously, it sounds very weak. Fans should come expecting baseball, not a friggin circus....but with the higher attendance on the Super Saturdays, maybe fans are just more interesting in a circus-like event than baseball... I can only speak for myself when I say that I go to games expecting MUCH more than just baseball. If I wanted JUST baseball, I could very well just organize a watch party with a ton of friends at Shula's or something. If I wanted JUST baseball, I would go to a local high school game. Heck, if I wanted JUST baseball, I'd stay home and watch it on the tube, with the convenience of a close bathroom, great view, and free price tag. And if you think other fans in other teams go to games JUST for baseball, I think you oughta travel around the nation so you can see the various marketing ploys that are being used to help drive attendance. The Marlins also have their own ways, too. If they didn't, I wouldn't go to the games. Why support a private enterprise that claims to be a representation of my community without getting value in return? Nothing personal. It's just business. South Florida fans and any fans of a team that will or have gotten a stadium funded by tax-payer dollars DO deserve special treatment. I'm at a loss for words. How, if we're funding a private business, do we NOT deserve special treatment? :blink:
October 9, 200817 yr Marketing? Seriously? This is baseball. If people like baseball, they would be going to games. No amount of marketing is going to make them like something that they have no interest in. Again, there are several places in this country that would support this team, no strings attached. Why do you people think South Florida fans need some kind of special treatment from the franchise? Seriously, it sounds very weak. Fans should come expecting baseball, not a friggin circus....but with the higher attendance on the Super Saturdays, maybe fans are just more interesting in a circus-like event than baseball... I can only speak for myself when I say that I go to games expecting MUCH more than just baseball. If I wanted JUST baseball, I could very well just organize a watch party with a ton of friends at Shula's or something. If I wanted JUST baseball, I would go to a local high school game. Heck, if I wanted JUST baseball, I'd stay home and watch it on the tube, with the convenience of a close bathroom, great view, and free price tag. And if you think other fans in other teams go to games JUST for baseball, I think you oughta travel around the nation so you can see the various marketing ploys that are being used to help drive attendance. The Marlins also have their own ways, too. If they didn't, I wouldn't go to the games. Why support a private enterprise that claims to be a representation of my community without getting value in return? Nothing personal. It's just business. South Florida fans and any fans of a team that will or have gotten a stadium funded by tax-payer dollars DO deserve special treatment. I'm at a loss for words. How, if we're funding a private business, do we NOT deserve special treatment? :blink: I'm pretty sure you are the average Florida sports fan. There are MANY other cities that don't need to use marketing ploys to get fans in the seats. Infact, being a fan should automatically mean you are there to watch the team, and not some sideshow. Our tax dollars are giving us special treatment. Its not like every city in the US has a major league team. We get to be entertained 81 days a year in the stadium, and 162 days a year no matter what (ya ya i know all games aren't televised). I would rather my tax dollars be spent this way than the other 10000 ways they seem to find. At least now I will be able to have a destination I can my future kids to. Show them the game at the highest level. Who doesn't remember their first ballgame? We are talking about building lifelong memories. Honestly...do you really need a handjob while watching the game to be happy? You are right, there are MANY other teams that don't need creative marketing to fill the seats. But those MANY other teams are franchises that have been established longer than our team or probably do not have the bad rep the Marlins have of not committing to players. All this complaining ABOUT the problem is useless. "WAH WAH SOUTH FLORIDA DOESN'T DESERVE THIS TEAM WAH WAH THE FANS SUCK WAH WAH". Where is the complaining getting us? You are no different than the remarks at the end of Marlin highlights on ESPN about how no one was there to see the game. Why don't you just ACCEPT that there is a problem and spend your time doing something more productive, that is, analyzing the problem and finding SOLUTIONS. And this is not directed specifically at you Squall, it's directed to everyone.
October 9, 200817 yr Author That's the point....we are discussing ways to fix this problem. Frankly, its up to the fans first and foremost, to fix the problem. Those who love the team need to start spreading positive word of mouth, because its obvious the media isn't going to do it. No, its up the fans. Its too easy to blame the front office for all of the problems with the franchise.
October 9, 200817 yr To be honest, I hate going to Marlins games...and it's for this very reason. When I go watch the Marlins...I go to watch the game. There are certain people (the majority)...it takes about 3-4 innings for them to get seated, consistently. Every half inning = bathroom break, or food, or beer. With the horrible angles in certain parts of the stadium (I don't exactly sit in the greatest seats when I end up going)...it's much easier to watch on TV. Not only do we have poor attendance, but most of the people surrounding you are either uninformed of the game...or just won't let you watch the game, for the most part. I remember when I was younger...this idiot behind my dad and I told us to sit down after the Marlins scored a run...b/c he had to take score of the game. There's always, at least, one wacko sitting next to you at a Marlins game.
October 9, 200817 yr That's the point....we are discussing ways to fix this problem. Frankly, its up to the fans first and foremost, to fix the problem. Those who love the team need to start spreading positive word of mouth, because its obvious the media isn't going to do it. No, its up the fans. Its too easy to blame the front office for all of the problems with the franchise. Agreed. I admit that I'm often guilty of seeing things in black and white, and in this case I might be. The fault cannot completely fall on the front office. Some things are just out of their hands. I've tried my best to spread my love of this team to other people. Hey, if this helps, my friend has always been a HUGE Carlos Delgado fan, so naturally, he's been a Mets fan these past few years. When the Marlins eliminated them this year, first person I text is him. Guess what he writes back? "F*** the Mets. I'm a Marlins fan now." :disco
October 9, 200817 yr I can only speak for myself when I say that I go to games expecting MUCH more than just baseball. If I wanted JUST baseball, I could very well just organize a watch party with a ton of friends at Shula's or something. If I wanted JUST baseball, I would go to a local high school game. Heck, if I wanted JUST baseball, I'd stay home and watch it on the tube, with the convenience of a close bathroom, great view, and free price tag. And if you think other fans in other teams go to games JUST for baseball, I think you oughta travel around the nation so you can see the various marketing ploys that are being used to help drive attendance. The Marlins also have their own ways, too. If they didn't, I wouldn't go to the games. Why support a private enterprise that claims to be a representation of my community without getting value in return? Nothing personal. It's just business. South Florida fans and any fans of a team that will or have gotten a stadium funded by tax-payer dollars DO deserve special treatment. I'm at a loss for words. How, if we're funding a private business, do we NOT deserve special treatment? :blink: Super Saturdays, give aways, pre game festivities in the Strike Zone, after games kids run the bases, between inning entertainment, the list goes on and on. What more do you want?? Do other teams offer private lap dances or something???
October 9, 200817 yr I can only speak for myself when I say that I go to games expecting MUCH more than just baseball. If I wanted JUST baseball, I could very well just organize a watch party with a ton of friends at Shula's or something. If I wanted JUST baseball, I would go to a local high school game. Heck, if I wanted JUST baseball, I'd stay home and watch it on the tube, with the convenience of a close bathroom, great view, and free price tag. And if you think other fans in other teams go to games JUST for baseball, I think you oughta travel around the nation so you can see the various marketing ploys that are being used to help drive attendance. The Marlins also have their own ways, too. If they didn't, I wouldn't go to the games. Why support a private enterprise that claims to be a representation of my community without getting value in return? Nothing personal. It's just business. South Florida fans and any fans of a team that will or have gotten a stadium funded by tax-payer dollars DO deserve special treatment. I'm at a loss for words. How, if we're funding a private business, do we NOT deserve special treatment? :blink: Super Saturdays, give aways, pre game festivities in the Strike Zone, after games kids run the bases, between inning entertainment, the list goes on and on. What more do you want?? Do other teams offer private lap dances or something??? Don't forget the manatees. :thumbup
October 9, 200817 yr Giveaways, retarded super Saturdays you name it. They are doing things to get people to go. I'm pretty sure getting a stadium built is something the marlins are doing to get more people at the games. I know its not the main reason because they are a business etc etc, but it is a way they are trying to make the games more appealing. Its probably one of the few ways I agree with. I think super Saturdays ruin the game for people who actually like baseball. I agree with pretty much everything Erick said. Now, if these ploys somehow get people to like the marlins over time by "tricking" them into going to games, then I'm all for it, but I just don't see how that is the case. I just think its the general Miami attitude thats the main problem. The new stadium isn't going to sellout every game or even get us close, but it is going to help. And I hope over time that people who grewup with the marlins will go to more games in a comfortable stadium. I'm not sure how Super Saturday's "ruin the game" since all that stuff happens after the game. And Super Saturday has worked rather well for us, especially when the Hispanic acts are on afterward.
October 9, 200817 yr Giveaways, retarded super Saturdays you name it. They are doing things to get people to go. I'm pretty sure getting a stadium built is something the marlins are doing to get more people at the games. I know its not the main reason because they are a business etc etc, but it is a way they are trying to make the games more appealing. Its probably one of the few ways I agree with. I think super Saturdays ruin the game for people who actually like baseball. I agree with pretty much everything Erick said. Now, if these ploys somehow get people to like the marlins over time by "tricking" them into going to games, then I'm all for it, but I just don't see how that is the case. I just think its the general Miami attitude thats the main problem. The new stadium isn't going to sellout every game or even get us close, but it is going to help. And I hope over time that people who grewup with the marlins will go to more games in a comfortable stadium. Well...I see nothing wrong with Super Saturday's...that's after the game, and it does bring out more people. Giveaways are needed...every team has them. I still don't see the point for 3 cheerleading teams...and a DJ??? THAT is ridiculous. If anything, the Marlins are doing too much to get people to the games...not too little, as some have stated. As you said..."the Miami attitude is the main problem."
October 10, 200817 yr Giveaways, retarded super Saturdays you name it. They are doing things to get people to go. I'm pretty sure getting a stadium built is something the marlins are doing to get more people at the games. I know its not the main reason because they are a business etc etc, but it is a way they are trying to make the games more appealing. Its probably one of the few ways I agree with. I think super Saturdays ruin the game for people who actually like baseball. I agree with pretty much everything Erick said. Now, if these ploys somehow get people to like the marlins over time by "tricking" them into going to games, then I'm all for it, but I just don't see how that is the case. I have been going to games 40 yrs and as an old schooler the only thing I care about is the GAME.....I don't need DJs, fish tanks. suites, swimming pools in the OF, batting cages, etc...give me the game, a brew, and some hot dogs and I am happy.....that being said in todays "fast food" society of instant gratification I understand and agree with the marketing, but as the man said, baseball is baseball, and either u like it or you don't, and if you don't no marketing in no area will change that, if the freakin people of Miami love baseball so much, as I have heard in other posts, why don't they go, rain ( it rains everywhere). money (tix will be a lot higher at the new place and they ain't ever going down). parking (will be worse in Miami) ......for every reason we thini the new place will solve things there will be reasons for it to add to the problems.......maybe the only thing that we really need is some kind of public transportation from all areas to get to and from the game...buses whatever, would save people money when they go and make it easier, that to me is a big problem here.....TriRail, geez i have to drive 30 min to get to the station I very well could drive another 30 to 40 and go all the way, but where do I park,, on someones lawn.........screw that.......... I just think its the general Miami attitude thats the main problem. The new stadium isn't going to sellout every game or even get us close, but it is going to help. And I hope over time that people who grewup with the marlins will go to more games in a comfortable stadium. Well...I see nothing wrong with Super Saturday's...that's after the game, and it does bring out more people. Giveaways are needed...every team has them. I still don't see the point for 3 cheerleading teams...and a DJ??? THAT is ridiculous. If anything, the Marlins are doing too much to get people to the games...not too little, as some have stated. As you said..."the Miami attitude is the main problem."
October 10, 200817 yr I can only speak for myself when I say that I go to games expecting MUCH more than just baseball. If I wanted JUST baseball, I could very well just organize a watch party with a ton of friends at Shula's or something. If I wanted JUST baseball, I would go to a local high school game. Heck, if I wanted JUST baseball, I'd stay home and watch it on the tube, with the convenience of a close bathroom, great view, and free price tag. And if you think other fans in other teams go to games JUST for baseball, I think you oughta travel around the nation so you can see the various marketing ploys that are being used to help drive attendance. The Marlins also have their own ways, too. If they didn't, I wouldn't go to the games. Why support a private enterprise that claims to be a representation of my community without getting value in return? Nothing personal. It's just business. South Florida fans and any fans of a team that will or have gotten a stadium funded by tax-payer dollars DO deserve special treatment. I'm at a loss for words. How, if we're funding a private business, do we NOT deserve special treatment? :blink: Super Saturdays, give aways, pre game festivities in the Strike Zone, after games kids run the bases, between inning entertainment, the list goes on and on. What more do you want?? Do other teams offer private lap dances or something??? thats the difference with todays fan and the oldies, todays fans all have ADD and need things to hold their attention. Mermaids, mascots, DJs , shooting tee shirts in the air, concerts, swimming pools in the outfield, luxury boxes, sushi, etc,,,,,all we needed was the GAME to hold our attention....now about those lap dances and HJs, for that I would gladly get season tickets!!!
October 10, 200817 yr I can only speak for myself when I say that I go to games expecting MUCH more than just baseball. If I wanted JUST baseball, I could very well just organize a watch party with a ton of friends at Shula's or something. If I wanted JUST baseball, I would go to a local high school game. Heck, if I wanted JUST baseball, I'd stay home and watch it on the tube, with the convenience of a close bathroom, great view, and free price tag. And if you think other fans in other teams go to games JUST for baseball, I think you oughta travel around the nation so you can see the various marketing ploys that are being used to help drive attendance. The Marlins also have their own ways, too. If they didn't, I wouldn't go to the games. Why support a private enterprise that claims to be a representation of my community without getting value in return? Nothing personal. It's just business. South Florida fans and any fans of a team that will or have gotten a stadium funded by tax-payer dollars DO deserve special treatment. I'm at a loss for words. How, if we're funding a private business, do we NOT deserve special treatment? :blink: Super Saturdays, give aways, pre game festivities in the Strike Zone, after games kids run the bases, between inning entertainment, the list goes on and on. What more do you want?? Do other teams offer private lap dances or something??? thats the difference with todays fan and the oldies, todays fans all have ADD and need things to hold their attention. Mermaids, mascots, DJs , shooting tee shirts in the air, concerts, swimming pools in the outfield, luxury boxes, sushi, etc,,,,,all we needed was the GAME to hold our attention....now about those lap dances and HJs, for that I would gladly get season tickets!!! Hey, I'm one of today's fans and I just need baseball. Don't lump us all together. Plus, all you oldies don't even make it to the games these days, past your bedtimes if you wanna catch that early bird special.
October 10, 200817 yr I can only speak for myself when I say that I go to games expecting MUCH more than just baseball. If I wanted JUST baseball, I could very well just organize a watch party with a ton of friends at Shula's or something. If I wanted JUST baseball, I would go to a local high school game. Heck, if I wanted JUST baseball, I'd stay home and watch it on the tube, with the convenience of a close bathroom, great view, and free price tag. And if you think other fans in other teams go to games JUST for baseball, I think you oughta travel around the nation so you can see the various marketing ploys that are being used to help drive attendance. The Marlins also have their own ways, too. If they didn't, I wouldn't go to the games. Why support a private enterprise that claims to be a representation of my community without getting value in return? Nothing personal. It's just business. South Florida fans and any fans of a team that will or have gotten a stadium funded by tax-payer dollars DO deserve special treatment. I'm at a loss for words. How, if we're funding a private business, do we NOT deserve special treatment? :blink: Super Saturdays, give aways, pre game festivities in the Strike Zone, after games kids run the bases, between inning entertainment, the list goes on and on. What more do you want?? Do other teams offer private lap dances or something??? thats the difference with todays fan and the oldies, todays fans all have ADD and need things to hold their attention. Mermaids, mascots, DJs , shooting tee shirts in the air, concerts, swimming pools in the outfield, luxury boxes, sushi, etc,,,,,all we needed was the GAME to hold our attention....now about those lap dances and HJs, for that I would gladly get season tickets!!! Hey, I'm one of today's fans and I just need baseball. Don't lump us all together. Plus, all you oldies don't even make it to the games these days, past your bedtimes if you wanna catch that early bird special. ok the majority of todays fans, and I do stay up till the end of playoff games before I put my teeth in the glass and go to bed..........
October 10, 200817 yr It's about time someone realizes the truth...the Marlins are doing a fantastic job organizing a competitive team without overpaying any of their athletes. This team is one of the smartest in managing their payroll meanwhile still fielding a quality team. People need to stop bit**ing about how we trade away players. Look at the players we're trading away...Uggla who I still believe is way over-rated considering his avg and K's...(WOW!!! He can hit 30 HR's!!!! He can't drive in the run from 2nd when it really matters)...Jacobs who was at one point one of my favorite Marlins but we don't need him and his weak AVG at all...and Hermida...God knows when he's gonna start getting his sh*t together and start playing to his full potential...I have no problem trading away these players knowing we have young studs in the minors who can easily fill the void while still getting quality players back in return for these trades. People need to stop bitching about these trades and start getting excited about the best rotation in the majors we're gonna have... i may be wrong but the players are the team. That's because you are wrong. The Marlins will exist, with or without these players. Players come and go, but the franchise remains. Exactly, I'm a Marlins fan not an Uggla fan or a Hermida fan...but most of our "fan base" isn't like that. What "fan base?" Maybe we've got a chicken and egg problem here, but the "fans" don't exactly have a right to complain about the Marlins cutting payroll when NOBODY GOES TO THE GAMES! I mean the attendance this year -- in the middle of a pennant race -- was pathetic. It's been bad in years past, too, but I can't ever remember it being this bad when we had a winning team in the playoff hunt.
October 10, 200817 yr I can only speak for myself when I say that I go to games expecting MUCH more than just baseball. If I wanted JUST baseball, I could very well just organize a watch party with a ton of friends at Shula's or something. If I wanted JUST baseball, I would go to a local high school game. Heck, if I wanted JUST baseball, I'd stay home and watch it on the tube, with the convenience of a close bathroom, great view, and free price tag. And if you think other fans in other teams go to games JUST for baseball, I think you oughta travel around the nation so you can see the various marketing ploys that are being used to help drive attendance. The Marlins also have their own ways, too. If they didn't, I wouldn't go to the games. Why support a private enterprise that claims to be a representation of my community without getting value in return? Nothing personal. It's just business. South Florida fans and any fans of a team that will or have gotten a stadium funded by tax-payer dollars DO deserve special treatment. I'm at a loss for words. How, if we're funding a private business, do we NOT deserve special treatment? :blink: Super Saturdays, give aways, pre game festivities in the Strike Zone, after games kids run the bases, between inning entertainment, the list goes on and on. What more do you want?? Do other teams offer private lap dances or something??? thats the difference with todays fan and the oldies, todays fans all have ADD and need things to hold their attention. Mermaids, mascots, DJs , shooting tee shirts in the air, concerts, swimming pools in the outfield, luxury boxes, sushi, etc,,,,,all we needed was the GAME to hold our attention....now about those lap dances and HJs, for that I would gladly get season tickets!!! Hey, I'm one of today's fans and I just need baseball. Don't lump us all together. Plus, all you oldies don't even make it to the games these days, past your bedtimes if you wanna catch that early bird special. Just a bit hypocritical, dontcha think?
October 10, 200817 yr Well, there's plenty of other places in America that want professional baseball if South Florida doesnt' feel like the Marlins are a worthy investment of their money (and the Dolphins and Heat are? Yeah, right). I believe the Dolphins are, they just beat the two teams in the AFC Championship back to back. :whistle
October 10, 200817 yr I will agree, this is still a football town, but that doesn't mean people don't care. People care about the marlins, just takes some time, trust me we haven't even put together back to back playoff seasons, if we can show that we can keep a winning team together for a couple of seasons, then the fans will appear And the Dolphins haven't made the playoffs since...who remembers? But...THEY HAD A PERFECT SEASON! About 35-36 years ago! Miami Dolphins #1! :whistle The Miami Dolphins also have never had an owner that threatened to leave. :whistle The jealousy on this board over the way the Dolphins are loved in Miami, is just unbelievable. And I understand where some of it comes from. Many of you have NEVER lived in Miami, have NO CONNECTIONS to Miami, and God only knows why you root for the Marlins. :blink: On the other hand, I am a 3rd generation Miamian, who has roots in this county from 1898 when my family moved here. I grew up a Hurricane fan, then attended & worked for the U of Miami, and when I was 6 the Dolphins were born as a franchise. I don't know rooting for another team in Pro or College football, or College baseball. As a kid, I never knew much about baseball, because it was on TV once a week, on Saturday afternoon. I had no other exposure to it. I didn't even follow baseball that much during the playoffs when I was a kid. I only started to pay attention to MLB when the Marlins came into existance. Before then, it didn't matter because MLB basically ignored South Fla completely. Maybe because there was no team, but I always found it odd, since in the 1940's & 1950's there had been a very successful AAA team in Miami. I think its hilarious and galling for those of you who post on this board, to constantly harp on & chat about the attendance problems here in South Fla, when many of you have never visited here, much less lived here, and don't understand any of the dynamics that make up the South Fla community. In the future, it would be much better that those that live outside the area just stay out of the discussions, since you really can't have much to add. You don't live here, many have never lived here and can't possibly have relevant ideas to add to the discussion.
October 10, 200817 yr It's about time someone realizes the truth...the Marlins are doing a fantastic job organizing a competitive team without overpaying any of their athletes. This team is one of the smartest in managing their payroll meanwhile still fielding a quality team. People need to stop bit**ing about how we trade away players. Look at the players we're trading away...Uggla who I still believe is way over-rated considering his avg and K's...(WOW!!! He can hit 30 HR's!!!! He can't drive in the run from 2nd when it really matters)...Jacobs who was at one point one of my favorite Marlins but we don't need him and his weak AVG at all...and Hermida...God knows when he's gonna start getting his sh*t together and start playing to his full potential...I have no problem trading away these players knowing we have young studs in the minors who can easily fill the void while still getting quality players back in return for these trades. People need to stop bitching about these trades and start getting excited about the best rotation in the majors we're gonna have... i may be wrong but the players are the team. That's because you are wrong. The Marlins will exist, with or without these players. Players come and go, but the franchise remains. Exactly, I'm a Marlins fan not an Uggla fan or a Hermida fan...but most of our "fan base" isn't like that. What "fan base?" Maybe we've got a chicken and egg problem here, but the "fans" don't exactly have a right to complain about the Marlins cutting payroll when NOBODY GOES TO THE GAMES! I mean the attendance this year -- in the middle of a pennant race -- was pathetic. It's been bad in years past, too, but I can't ever remember it being this bad when we had a winning team in the playoff hunt. The team was in the palyoff hunt all year, the media was still bashing the fans constatnly. The stadium issue was and still slightly is up in the air, with the threat of the team relocating. And now many of thye players that fans began to like are going to leave. If you look at 2003, the attendance was up from 2002. 2004 was up from 03 and 05 was up from 04. It will still bad in comparison to mlb attendance numbers, but attendance was improving. Then you get rid of all your players in the market correction of 06. Once again scaring off the fans that started to come back after 98. The business must spend money to make money. If the perception is that a business is not committed to providing a quality product for the consumer, then the consumer won't spend on that product. The marlins were good this year, and to the knowledgeable fan, this may be an offseason of addition by subtraction. But the casual fan and the bandwagon fan, who is needed to fill up the stadium, needs that Carlos Delgado signing or that Manny Ramirez trade to get them to go to the stadium. It doesn't help that Manny carried the Dodgers to the NLCS, even though their record and ours were the same sh*t. Its business, you need to know your market, who your target consumers are, and make it happen. The marlins front office needs to convince the casual fan to go to games. There really is no comparison in baseball to the marlins. You would have to look for a relatively new team, that has had stadium issues, has won in the past, and constantly gets rid of players. Although not new maybe you can compare them to the A's, pirates, and indians. The indians attendance improved after getting a new stadium. Pittsburgh still isnt committed to winning. And so forth
October 10, 200817 yr I will agree, this is still a football town, but that doesn't mean people don't care. People care about the marlins, just takes some time, trust me we haven't even put together back to back playoff seasons, if we can show that we can keep a winning team together for a couple of seasons, then the fans will appear And the Dolphins haven't made the playoffs since...who remembers? But...THEY HAD A PERFECT SEASON! About 35-36 years ago! Miami Dolphins #1! :whistle The Miami Dolphins also have never had an owner that threatened to leave. :whistle The jealousy on this board over the way the Dolphins are loved in Miami, is just unbelievable. And I understand where some of it comes from. Many of you have NEVER lived in Miami, have NO CONNECTIONS to Miami, and God only knows why you root for the Marlins. :blink: On the other hand, I am a 3rd generation Miamian, who has roots in this county from 1898 when my family moved here. I grew up a Hurricane fan, then attended & worked for the U of Miami, and when I was 6 the Dolphins were born as a franchise. I don't know rooting for another team in Pro or College football, or College baseball. As a kid, I never knew much about baseball, because it was on TV once a week, on Saturday afternoon. I had no other exposure to it. I didn't even follow baseball that much during the playoffs when I was a kid. I only started to pay attention to MLB when the Marlins came into existance. Before then, it didn't matter because MLB basically ignored South Fla completely. Maybe because there was no team, but I always found it odd, since in the 1940's & 1950's there had been a very successful AAA team in Miami. I think its hilarious and galling for those of you who post on this board, to constantly harp on & chat about the attendance problems here in South Fla, when many of you have never visited here, much less lived here, and don't understand any of the dynamics that make up the South Fla community. In the future, it would be much better that those that live outside the area just stay out of the discussions, since you really can't have much to add. You don't live here, many have never lived here and can't possibly have relevant ideas to add to the discussion. I dont have any problems with the fins just some of their fans who say i hope the marlins dont make the PO so the 1-15 dolphins(this is before the fins won 2 in a row) dont have to play on dirt or the crappy hurricanes who i love. As of late the only team in south fla to play in DS with any talent has been the marlins.
October 10, 200817 yr I will agree, this is still a football town, but that doesn't mean people don't care. People care about the marlins, just takes some time, trust me we haven't even put together back to back playoff seasons, if we can show that we can keep a winning team together for a couple of seasons, then the fans will appear And the Dolphins haven't made the playoffs since...who remembers? But...THEY HAD A PERFECT SEASON! About 35-36 years ago! Miami Dolphins #1! :whistle yet u see, people go to the game, oh but i can tell the Panthers have a rich history of winning Come on, anybody who doesn't believe Miami is still a football town is dumb. It was beginning to become a Heat town once Shaq came, but overall it is still a Dolphin town. Seriously, the Dolphins still get sellouts No Honestly Miami is All About the U they sell out every Football, Baseball and Most Basketball Games. People are Crazy about the Canes down here but Yea it is a Football Town, hopefully moving Stadiums helps Sorry to burst your bubble, but not many people really care about the "u". Miami got a crowd of 35,000 last week vs UNC, in a 76,000 seat staidum. They couldn't even sellout vs FSU this week, when almost half of the crowd was cheering for the Noles. Miami has the worst basketball attendance in the ACC. And to make it worse, every other team in the ACC has an average attendance higher than Miami's arena's capacty. Miami also doesn't even sellout their 3,000 seat baseball stadium. They get a crowd of just over 1,000 for some games, which is terrible. Trust me, I have season tickets for football and basketball, and go to many baseball games. There are reasons for that, many of which surround that the U also has one of the smallest alumni bases in the NCAA. There are but 6,000 undergrads at the U, when there are 40,000+ at UF every year. U of Florida graduates in 8 years, as many alumni as Miami has had in its 72 year history. But of course that would not be known to many of you who comment on this board, because, as I posted before, you don't live here, have never lived here, and many of you have never even visited here, and there really is no reason for you those people to comment in this thread. Again it smacks of jealousy for anyone to bring up the U. The U has 9 national championships between football and baseball, and has played for 5 others in football and 1 in baseball. The attendance at U of Miami baseball is very strong, and is not a problem. They draw well above the national average. Weeknight games average 1,500 to 2,000 and weekend games often over 3,000. The stadium only holds 3,500 so they are not doing badly. I have watched weeknight games on Sun Network from McKethan Field in Gainsville, where it looked like a Nationals vs Marlins daytime game :whistle Fish Dynasty I doubt you are a real Canes fan of baseball and say what you did. You certainly must not know the true state of College baseball attendance to make that statement. I have been going to Hurricane baseball games for more than 30 years now, since before Mark Light was built in 1977. How long have you been going to games there ? Do you know Lois or any of the other regulars ? Are you a member of the Diamnond Dolls & Diamond Studs Support Group ?
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