October 21, 200817 yr http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/10/1...-fielders-of-20 Here's an article which calculated the top CFs, accounting for both offense and defense. A lot more statistics went into this analysis than just errors, steals, HR, etc. And the end result is that Cody Ross is the #7 CF in the majors, better than McLouth, Mike Cameron, Matt Kemp and others. Barring a surprise, I do see Maybin starting in CF, but Cody's number on defense probably would only rise if he plays a corner spot. Bottom line, despite a low OBP and high K's, a lot of his other numbers must look really good. Should he be the frontrunner to start in LF, even if Hammer and Hermida stay? I have a hard time arguing otherwise, given this information. Also, I'm not running to trade away the farm in order to get a McLouth, who's less than a year younger and also a defensive liability.
October 21, 200817 yr http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/10/1...-fielders-of-20 Here's an article which calculated the top CFs, accounting for both offense and defense. A lot more statistics went into this analysis than just errors, steals, HR, etc. And the end result is that Cody Ross is the #7 CF in the majors, better than McLouth, Mike Cameron, Matt Kemp and others. Barring a surprise, I do see Maybin starting in CF, but Cody's number on defense probably would only rise if he plays a corner spot. Bottom line, despite a low OBP and high K's, a lot of his other numbers must look really good. Should he be the frontrunner to start in LF, even if Hammer and Hermida stay? I have a hard time arguing otherwise, given this information. Also, I'm not running to trade away the farm in order to get a McLouth, who's less than a year younger and also a defensive liability. I think a majority of people on these boards, myself included, think Cody is deserving of a starting spot in LF or RF next season depending on what the team does in the next few months.
October 21, 200817 yr If Hammer stays, he is still the better player than Ross. Unbiased response to your comment :thumbdown
October 21, 200817 yr If Hammer stays, he is still the better player than Ross. Unbiased response to your comment :thumbdown Enlighten me as to why Cody is the better player.
October 21, 200817 yr If Hammer stays, he is still the better player than Ross. Unbiased response to your comment :thumbdown Enlighten me as to why Cody is the better player. Cody has more power imo. The most important thing is in the field. This team was terrible defensively last year, but Cody was one of the few bright spots in the OF. We need to keep him and start him to help out our defense. Cody is faster and more mobile in the outfield, and teams are not afraid to run on Hammer's arm, while teams will be cautious with Cody's arm
October 21, 200817 yr If Hammer stays, he is still the better player than Ross. Unbiased response to your comment :thumbdown Enlighten me as to why Cody is the better player. Cody has more power imo. The most important thing is in the field. This team was terrible defensively last year, but Cody was one of the few bright spots in the OF. We need to keep him and start him to help out our defense. Cody is faster and more mobile in the outfield, and teams are not afraid to run on Hammer's arm, while teams will be cautious with Cody's arm Their power throughout their careers is pretty similar, but Cody does have a slight advantage there. As for their arms, Hammer is a strong and accurate arms and teams can run all they want on him. He had 7 outfield assists this year (98 games), while Cody had just 1.
October 21, 200817 yr I continue to view Ross as a starter next season, most likely in left field. I think you give him the job outright, he is only going to produce. I think one option a lot of us keep forgetting is the possibility of moving Hammer to first. Like we all know, his value is not too high right now. If we move Jacobs, who is obviously worth much more via trade, and move Hammer to first, we reduce his injury risk and defensive liability. I actually believe he could be a very good first baseman, considering his past at catcher and third base. And if it doesn't work out, he gets injured once more, or he simply increases his value and we move him near mid-season, you always have Sanchez waiting. Not the most realistic situation, but it is certainly another option. Especially considering Hammer's bat is the kind this franchise is trying to keep/get.
October 21, 200817 yr If Hammer stays, he is still the better player than Ross. Unbiased response to your comment :thumbdown Enlighten me as to why Cody is the better player. Cody has more power imo. The most important thing is in the field. This team was terrible defensively last year, but Cody was one of the few bright spots in the OF. We need to keep him and start him to help out our defense. Cody is faster and more mobile in the outfield, and teams are not afraid to run on Hammer's arm, while teams will be cautious with Cody's arm Their power throughout their careers is pretty similar, but Cody does have a slight advantage there. As for their arms, Hammer is a strong and accurate arms and teams can run all they want on him. He had 7 outfield assists this year (98 games), while Cody had just 1. I didn't see the strength of Hammer's arm all last year. I saw Cody playing the OF like a vet though. I just think that Cody is better fit for us going into next year
October 21, 200817 yr Author I continue to view Ross as a starter next season, most likely in left field. I think you give him the job outright, he is only going to produce. I think one option a lot of us keep forgetting is the possibility of moving Hammer to first. Like we all know, his value is not too high right now. If we move Jacobs, who is obviously worth much more via trade, and move Hammer to first, we reduce his injury risk and defensive liability. I actually believe he could be a very good first baseman, considering his past at catcher and third base. And if it doesn't work out, he gets injured once more, or he simply increases his value and we move him near mid-season, you always have Sanchez waiting. Not the most realistic situation, but it is certainly another option. Especially considering Hammer's bat is the kind this franchise is trying to keep/get. Why is Hammer the kind of hitter we are trying to keep? He also K's a ton, averaging 120+/full year. I know his career OBP is much better than Cody's career OBP, but he's also slower, not to mention with a bad injury history and he's 2 years older at 29.
October 21, 200817 yr One could argue that first base would be worse for his back than LF You could argue, but you'd be wrong.
October 21, 200817 yr http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/10/1...-fielders-of-20 Here's an article which calculated the top CFs, accounting for both offense and defense. A lot more statistics went into this analysis than just errors, steals, HR, etc. And the end result is that Cody Ross is the #7 CF in the majors, better than McLouth, Mike Cameron, Matt Kemp and others. Barring a surprise, I do see Maybin starting in CF, but Cody's number on defense probably would only rise if he plays a corner spot. Bottom line, despite a low OBP and high K's, a lot of his other numbers must look really good. Should he be the frontrunner to start in LF, even if Hammer and Hermida stay? I have a hard time arguing otherwise, given this information. Also, I'm not running to trade away the farm in order to get a McLouth, who's less than a year younger and also a defensive liability. He should be the frontrunner in RF, no matter who is here. And even if Hermida stays, I'd like to find someone new to start in LF.
October 21, 200817 yr One could argue that first base would be worse for his back than LF You could argue, but you'd be wrong. Well I figured all the constant bending over, being hunched over (the ready position, if you will), digging balls out of the dirt, diving for the ball, racing in for bunts, etc would be much worse on Willingham's back than make 4-5 plays a night
October 21, 200817 yr One could argue that first base would be worse for his back than LF You could argue, but you'd be wrong. Well I figured all the constant bending over, being hunched over (the ready position, if you will), digging balls out of the dirt, diving for the ball, racing in for bunts, etc would be much worse on Willingham's back than make 4-5 plays a night Not much bending, outfielders also stand in a ready position (if they're more attentive than Hermida), outfield dives are much harder on the body, first basemen rarely run down for bunts, ect. Sorry, but you're very, very wrong.
October 21, 200817 yr Cody should start in front of Willingham. He is a better defender and is good with the bat. No reason he shouldnt
October 21, 200817 yr Cody should start in front of Willingham. He is a better defender and is good with the bat. No reason he shouldnt Cody should start in front Hermida, in RF.
October 21, 200817 yr Cody should start in front of Willingham. He is a better defender and is good with the bat. No reason he shouldnt Cody should start in front Hermida, in RF. exactly, Cody is the better fielder, and has just as good an arm. Put Hermida in left, give him ONE last chance, hopefully he takes advantage of it, but i doubt it
October 21, 200817 yr Cody should start in front of Willingham. He is a better defender and is good with the bat. No reason he shouldnt Cody should start in front Hermida, in RF. exactly, Cody is the better fielder, and has just as good an arm. Put Hermida in left, give him ONE last chance, hopefully he takes advantage of it, but i doubt it I would say that I think Cody also has a better arm.
October 21, 200817 yr I really don't understand all the hype about Cody's arm strength. I see nothing spectacular about it.
October 21, 200817 yr I really don't understand all the hype about Cody's arm strength. I see nothing spectacular about it. Hermida has the better arm, but his lazy attitude in the field causes him to take time off his throws, causing runners to get to the base before his throws. That has been my biggest issue with Hermida, just never seems to play 100% out on the field, while Cody seems to run down every ball, always give it 100%. Cody is a true tough as nails kind of player, while Hermida seems to be that primadana (sorry, can't spell). Hermida most of the time just lacks any effort
October 21, 200817 yr I really don't understand all the hype about Cody's arm strength. I see nothing spectacular about it. Cody has made a few really amazing playing in CF and RF throwing out baserunners better than anyone can seriously contend that any of our other OFers of the last 3 years could. Of those plays, I don't think that Amezaga, Hermida, Willingham, Eric Reed, Joe Borchard, Reggie Abercrombie, or even Jaques Jones, could have made those plays. Maybe Brett Carroll, but he can't hit. Besides that, even if you think Cody's defense is unspectacular, its at-least much better than Hermida's, in terms of raw speed, hustle, and both arm strength and accuracy.
October 21, 200817 yr I really don't understand all the hype about Cody's arm strength. I see nothing spectacular about it. He's good good strength (not great) but is very accurate. Hermida has a much stronger arm but since he takes his sweat ass time to get to a ball, he never has the chance to use it.
October 21, 200817 yr One could argue that first base would be worse for his back than LF You could argue, but you'd be wrong. Well I figured all the constant bending over, being hunched over (the ready position, if you will), digging balls out of the dirt, diving for the ball, racing in for bunts, etc would be much worse on Willingham's back than make 4-5 plays a night Not much bending, outfielders also stand in a ready position (if they're more attentive than Hermida), outfield dives are much harder on the body, first basemen rarely run down for bunts, ect. Sorry Apology accepted.
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