December 2, 200817 yr From sabernomics.com via Cy Morong The correlation between the change in strikeout rate and the change in contact rate was .142. So if a batter?s strikeout rate increased, his batting average while making contact also increased. Looking at the changes from 2005 to 2006 gave a .18 correlation. Maybe this makes sense. If you swing harder, you strike out more. But a harder swing means the ball is hit harder, which should mean more hits. So combined with the earlier study, a player should be careful if he thinks he should make a big effort to strikeout less. Makes sense... it's a pretty simple regression as well if you don't have to assemble the data set, maybe I'll try other years once finals are done.
December 3, 200817 yr Am I missing something - and this might just be a pull-out from a bigger piece - but contact and hits are two different things.
December 6, 200817 yr Author Am I missing something - and this might just be a pull-out from a bigger piece - but contact and hits are two different things. It's showing a relationship between striking out more and getting more hits when putting the ball in play (which is what you do in a plate appearance in which you don't strikeout.) It's not just about making contact, but getting on when making contact.
December 6, 200817 yr Am I missing something - and this might just be a pull-out from a bigger piece - but contact and hits are two different things. It's showing a relationship between striking out more and getting more hits when putting the ball in play (which is what you do in a plate appearance in which you don't strikeout.) It's not just about making contact, but getting on when making contact. One can talk about the merits of contact, but only when OPS is similar should anyone even give a rat's ass about comparing contact rates.
December 6, 200817 yr Well, if I remember correctly I heard Adam Dunn had something like a .400 average when he didn't strike out...
December 7, 200817 yr Well, if I remember correctly I heard Adam Dunn had something like a .400 average when he didn't strike out... Obviously. He also hit's .431 when he doesn't hit into an out. If you get rid of the outs, the BA will always go higher.
December 7, 200817 yr Author Am I missing something - and this might just be a pull-out from a bigger piece - but contact and hits are two different things. It's showing a relationship between striking out more and getting more hits when putting the ball in play (which is what you do in a plate appearance in which you don't strikeout.) It's not just about making contact, but getting on when making contact. One can talk about the merits of contact, but only when OPS is similar should anyone even give a rat's ass about comparing contact rates. It's not about contact though, it's about BABIP.
December 7, 200817 yr From sabernomics.com via Cy Morong The correlation between the change in strikeout rate and the change in contact rate was .142. So if a batter's strikeout rate increased, his batting average while making contact also increased. Looking at the changes from 2005 to 2006 gave a .18 correlation. Maybe this makes sense. If you swing harder, you strike out more. But a harder swing means the ball is hit harder, which should mean more hits. So combined with the earlier study, a player should be careful if he thinks he should make a big effort to strikeout less. Makes sense... it's a pretty simple regression as well if you don't have to assemble the data set, maybe I'll try other years once finals are done. They should have just asked Juan Pierre!
December 8, 200817 yr Well, if I remember correctly I heard Adam Dunn had something like a .400 average when he didn't strike out... Obviously. He also hit's .431 when he doesn't hit into an out. If you get rid of the outs, the BA will always go higher. Shouldn't your BA be 1.000 if you don't hit into an out?
December 8, 200817 yr Well, if I remember correctly I heard Adam Dunn had something like a .400 average when he didn't strike out... Obviously. He also hit's .431 when he doesn't hit into an out. If you get rid of the outs, the BA will always go higher. Shouldn't your BA be 1.000 if you don't hit into an out? Strikeouts?
December 8, 200817 yr Well, if I remember correctly I heard Adam Dunn had something like a .400 average when he didn't strike out... Obviously. He also hit's .431 when he doesn't hit into an out. If you get rid of the outs, the BA will always go higher. Shouldn't your BA be 1.000 if you don't hit into an out? Strikeouts? Hmm....I see.
December 9, 200817 yr So he strikeout more then half of his plate appearance. :thumbdown No, he does not.
December 10, 200817 yr Well, if I remember correctly I heard Adam Dunn had something like a .400 average when he didn't strike out... Obviously. He also hit's .431 when he doesn't hit into an out. If you get rid of the outs, the BA will always go higher. How do you figure this .431?
December 10, 200817 yr Well, if I remember correctly I heard Adam Dunn had something like a .400 average when he didn't strike out... Obviously. He also hit's .431 when he doesn't hit into an out. If you get rid of the outs, the BA will always go higher. How do you figure this .431? I took the AB's with non-strikeout-outs and subtracted it from his AB. Then that leaves me with Hits divided by that new number, which only has hits and strikeouts...come to think of it, I could have just taken Hits and divided by Hits + Strikeouts.
December 10, 200817 yr Well, if I remember correctly I heard Adam Dunn had something like a .400 average when he didn't strike out... Obviously. He also hit's .431 when he doesn't hit into an out. If you get rid of the outs, the BA will always go higher. How do you figure this .431? I took the AB's with non-strikeout-outs and subtracted it from his AB. Then that leaves me with Hits divided by that new number, which only has hits and strikeouts...come to think of it, I could have just taken Hits and divided by Hits + Strikeouts. Thanks. The other day I looked at his hits divided by his ABs minus his strikeouts and his average calculated this way was lower than the average of all players and that surprised me a little bit. H / (AB - K)
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