5.5 is really a steal if we sign him

 

A guy like Utley getting 85 Million and Uggla only wants 5.5 thats a difference of 79.5 million dollars for players that have had alomst the exact same sucess.

 

Its going to be extremly upsetting if we are not able to resign him.

Utley has a seven year contract. He actually only made $4.5 mil last year.

According to Samson on the Marlins website, regardless of the amount Uggla will get, the team has no plans on trading him.

 

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/articl...sp&c_id=fla

thanks Giz. Funny how fast they posted that. They made it a point to sqash that rumor quickly. :lol

According to Samson on the Marlins website, regardless of the amount Uggla will get, the team has no plans on trading him.

 

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/articl...sp&c_id=fla

Oh thank god

According to Samson on the Marlins website, regardless of the amount Uggla will get, the team has no plans on trading him.

 

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/articl...sp&c_id=fla

 

 

Hmm I dont know if i believe this. He could just be saying so teams dont think were desperate to trade him. Hopefullly he is telling the truth though.

According to Samson on the Marlins website, regardless of the amount Uggla will get, the team has no plans on trading him.

 

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/articl...sp&c_id=fla

Oh thank god

Doesn't mean anything. Its the same thing as Bill Parcells saying he's not going to trade Jason Taylor then doing it a month later.

According to Samson on the Marlins website, regardless of the amount Uggla will get, the team has no plans on trading him.

 

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/articl...sp&c_id=fla

 

 

Hmm I dont know if i believe this. He could just be saying so teams dont think were desperate to trade him. Hopefullly he is telling the truth though.

 

Funny I was thinking the same thing. What does that mean. "We have not plans on trading him......ahem... today"

 

I don't trust Samson as far as I could throw him.

According to Samson on the Marlins website, regardless of the amount Uggla will get, the team has no plans on trading him.

 

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/articl...sp&c_id=fla

 

 

Hmm I dont know if i believe this. He could just be saying so teams dont think were desperate to trade him. Hopefullly he is telling the truth though.

 

Funny I was thinking the same thing. What does that mean. "We have not plans on trading him......ahem... today"

 

I don't trust Samson as far as I could throw him.

 

I dont know why but i have never liked samson, his voice is annoying but its more than that.

According to Samson on the Marlins website, regardless of the amount Uggla will get, the team has no plans on trading him.

 

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/articl...sp&c_id=fla

 

 

Hmm I dont know if i believe this. He could just be saying so teams dont think were desperate to trade him. Hopefullly he is telling the truth though.

 

Funny I was thinking the same thing. What does that mean. "We have not plans on trading him......ahem... today"

 

I don't trust Samson as far as I could throw him.

 

I dont know why but i have never liked samson, his voice is annoying but its more than that.

 

Don't worry, nobody likes him. NOBODY.

According to Samson on the Marlins website, regardless of the amount Uggla will get, the team has no plans on trading him.

 

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/articl...sp&c_id=fla

 

 

Hmm I dont know if i believe this. He could just be saying so teams dont think were desperate to trade him. Hopefullly he is telling the truth though.

 

Funny I was thinking the same thing. What does that mean. "We have not plans on trading him......ahem... today"

 

I don't trust Samson as far as I could throw him.

 

I dont know why but i have never liked samson, his voice is annoying but its more than that.

 

Don't worry, nobody likes him. NOBODY.

 

2 people: LeBatard and Stugotz

NOBODY!!!

I don't trust Samson as far as I could throw him.

 

Ed, with that bad knee of yours....

 

Sorry, Ferris Bueller was on TV today.

When does Samson lie?

Coghlan's rap is that his defense is shaky especially around the base and no amount of singles and doubles is going to offset what he'd cost in the field nevermind offsetting the loss of production. (That said, I'd give my left n*t to have been as good as CC for even one day).

Get over the fact he made some errors in Carolina already. It's basically universal in the scouting world he is going to be neutral or better at 2B.

 

This is a direct quote from John Sickels 2008 book about Chris Coghlan's defense.

 

"He converted to second base in '07, and made a reasonably smooth adjustment defensively. The glove won't be a problem at higher levels."

 

From last year's BA handbook.

 

"After playing mostly 3b in college, Coghlan adapted well to second. He has improved his pivot and footwork around the bag, and his aptitude an work habits are excellent."

 

And if that is 'to old,' from this year's BA handbook.

 

"Predominantly a 3b in college, he has made himself into a solid second baseman. His baseball smarts and work ethic bode well for him." and

"He has/had an average arm for a 3b, thus being above average for a 2b."

 

 

He's going to be neutral at worst out there. This is the majority opinion and not a big deal. The main concern with Coghlan is going to be the slugging percentage. Is it going to be .400, or is it going to be closer to .450. That's what will make or break him as an above average starter, or just more of an ordinary scrappy hitter.

 

Well that settles it then. The books and the numbers say this guy is going to be great. Trade Danny now and let him get started.

 

And exactly what were those books and numbers saying about Dan before we took him in the Rule 5? I mean, these guys are geniuses. They must have predicted this 2 time AS on the horizon.

When does Samson lie?

 

I dont know if your being sarcastic or not but I cant recalll him lying about something its just he annoys me and i dont like him.

When does Samson lie?

 

I dont know if your being sarcastic or not but I cant recalll him lying about something its just he annoys me and i dont like him.

No sarcasm at all. There are always posts about him being a weasel, not trust worthy, and the such but I can never remember a time when he's been caught in a lie.

 

He might be ridiculously annoying and know little about baseball but none of that makes him a liar.

According to Samson on the Marlins website, regardless of the amount Uggla will get, the team has no plans on trading him.

 

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/articl...sp&c_id=fla

I hope they wouldn't trade him. Besides his slump post all-star game he is still a great value around the 4.5 million or whatever the arbitrator will give him.

It is pretty pathetic that the team won't give him his money, and I believe they will lose the arbitration hearing. Very frustrating, and Uggla deserves better. From the time he came here in 06 and became the starter after Pokey Reese flaked out he has done nothing but out-perform expectations as this forum has been saying how every year that the league has figured him out. The fact that they have these kinds of issues with a guy who has been productive year after year and then are willing to pay over 2 Million for a guy who they benched down the stretch last year just doesn't make any sense to me.

The fact that they have these kinds of issues with a guy who has been productive year after year and then are willing to pay over 2 Million for a guy who they benched down the stretch last year just doesn't make any sense to me.

That's just because you don't understand baseball salary structures. It makes perfect sense.

 

Now Jeff Francouer wanting $3.9 million - that's what doesn't make any sense.

The fact that they have these kinds of issues with a guy who has been productive year after year and then are willing to pay over 2 Million for a guy who they benched down the stretch last year just doesn't make any sense to me.

That's just because you don't understand baseball salary structures. It makes perfect sense.

 

Now Jeff Francouer wanting $3.9 million - that's what doesn't make any sense.

 

 

Haha I heard about that. Hes crazy if he thinks he deserves that after last year.

The fact that they have these kinds of issues with a guy who has been productive year after year and then are willing to pay over 2 Million for a guy who they benched down the stretch last year just doesn't make any sense to me.

That's just because you don't understand baseball salary structures. It makes perfect sense.

 

Now Jeff Francouer wanting $3.9 million - that's what doesn't make any sense.

Explain to me why a team should rather commit over 2 million to a player who runs a very good risk of spending considerable time on the bench when less than half of that would make up the difference to retain (without issue) a two-time all-star who is among the best in baseball at his position. Please.

The fact that they have these kinds of issues with a guy who has been productive year after year and then are willing to pay over 2 Million for a guy who they benched down the stretch last year just doesn't make any sense to me.

That's just because you don't understand baseball salary structures. It makes perfect sense.

 

Now Jeff Francouer wanting $3.9 million - that's what doesn't make any sense.

Explain to me why a team should rather commit over 2 million to a player who runs a very good risk of spending considerable time on the bench when less than half of that would make up the difference to retain (without issue) a two-time all-star who is among the best in baseball at his position. Please.

Because he has 3+ years of service time, and over 1,000 PA the last two years. One of which was a superstar level .870 OPS. The slotting system is pretty firm at how much these types of players are worth. A 24 year old with a career .779 OPS is pretty good on paper. But Marlins fans, like yourself, are spoiled and expect everyone to be gangbusters like Cabrera and Hanley right away and don't understand normal career progression from a youngster. This is cheap for Hermida. He is way better than Francouer, and Jeff is going to make atleast $700,000 more than Hermida next year. It's all about the playing time.

 

Mark Teahen made more money than Hermida in year 4, and Hermida has a better resume and upside potential. I can pull examples all day if you want me to. The marlins arbitration offer to Hermida was excellent, it probably saved a quarter or more million dollars to what Hermida could have pushed for in arbitration. This was a great signing, and Cody was an even better signing if you want to judge both outfielders.

 

The Marlins front office has won every deal except Kensing this offseason (pending Uggla). This is big ups to Beinfest and crew.

The fact that they have these kinds of issues with a guy who has been productive year after year and then are willing to pay over 2 Million for a guy who they benched down the stretch last year just doesn't make any sense to me.

That's just because you don't understand baseball salary structures. It makes perfect sense.

 

Now Jeff Francouer wanting $3.9 million - that's what doesn't make any sense.

Explain to me why a team should rather commit over 2 million to a player who runs a very good risk of spending considerable time on the bench when less than half of that would make up the difference to retain (without issue) a two-time all-star who is among the best in baseball at his position. Please.

Because he has 3+ years of service time, and over 1,000 PA the last two years. One of which was a superstar level .870 OPS. The slotting system is pretty firm at how much these types of players are worth. A 24 year old with a career .779 OPS is pretty good on paper. But Marlins fans, like yourself, are spoiled and expect everyone to be gangbusters like Cabrera and Hanley right away and don't understand normal career progression from a youngster. This is cheap for Hermida. He is way better than Francouer, and Jeff is going to make atleast $700,000 more than Hermida next year. It's all about the playing time.

 

Mark Teahen made more money than Hermida in year 4, and Hermida has a better resume and upside potential. I can pull examples all day if you want me to. The marlins arbitration offer to Hermida was excellent, it probably saved a quarter or more million dollars to what Hermida could have pushed for in arbitration. This was a great signing, and Cody was an even better signing if you want to judge both outfielders.

 

The Marlins front office has won every deal except Kensing this offseason (pending Uggla). This is big ups to Beinfest and crew.

 

I also think the signings were pretty good. Most well below what Lou had projected and which I said I thought were high. Even for the guys that have signed with other teams. I do think Amazega low balled himself, but that's to the team's benefit.

 

I don't look at Uggla's arby hearing as a win or lose situation. It's just part of the process and they were about a mil off. In either case, we win. Utley makes $11 mil this year, and although I would much rather have Utley here than Dan, even the $5.35 salary is a good bargain. I don't see Dan as being the kind of guy that will carry a grudge should he for some reason lose his hearing so it's no biggie. His agent has some learning to do tho. It's quite obvious he is trying to turn the fans against the FO and team. Danny should have a talk with him.

5.5 is really a steal if we sign him

 

A guy like Utley getting 85 Million and Uggla only wants 5.5 thats a difference of 79.5 million dollars for players that have had alomst the exact same sucess.

 

Its going to be extremly upsetting if we are not able to resign him.

Utley has a seven year contract. He actually only made $4.5 mil last year.

 

He made $4.5 mil in '07, $7.5 mil last year, $11 mil this year, and $15 mil a year for the remainder of his 7 year contract. Reference : Cots.

Just to toss it out there...

 

Should be interesting to see how that arby panel handles things this year with the economy being what it is and the number of big name FAs still out there this late into the off season. With the exception of the Yankees, teams aren't exactly "breaking the bank" signing players this year. I would expect that to bleed over into the arby hearings as well.