January 21, 200917 yr http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=team...ype=team_report There?s a chance left-hander Andrew Miller may not begin spring training at full strength. Miller, penciled in as Florida?s fifth starter, underwent a follow-up shockwave therapy procedure on his troublesome right knee in December. He recently started throwing at the team?s spring training complex in Florida with the hope that he?ll be ready to go when camp opens Feb. 14. But at this point, there?s no guarantee he?ll stay on pace with the rest of the pitching staff once workouts begin. After all, he missed time last year because of tendinitis in the right knee, which required the first OssaTron treatment in July. Miller, 23, opened the 2008 season in the starting rotation and went 5-9 with a 5.63 ERA in 20 starts before landing on the disabled list on July 18. He returned to action in September, pitching the rest of the season out of the bullpen, where he went 1-1 with a 9.45 ERA in nine appearances. The Marlins plan to use Miller as a starter, but if he falls behind this spring, there are plenty of candidates in camp to take his spot?including right-hander Ryan Tucker and left-hander Aaron Thompson.
January 21, 200917 yr Yeah....that sucks. But even so, the starting pitching is in much better shape entering the season than last year's.
January 21, 200917 yr Wow, that would really suck having to stick Ryan Tucker back into the rotation, when he will fit better in the bullpen, or having to call up Thompson when he may not be MLB ready. Hopefully Miller recovers in time for the regular season.
January 22, 200917 yr Wow, that would really suck having to stick Ryan Tucker back into the rotation, when he will fit better in the bullpen, or having to call up Thompson when he may not be MLB ready. Hopefully Miller recovers in time for the regular season. Badenhop can always step up.
January 22, 200917 yr Wow, that would really suck having to stick Ryan Tucker back into the rotation, when he will fit better in the bullpen, or having to call up Thompson when he may not be MLB ready. Hopefully Miller recovers in time for the regular season. They aren't going to move Tucker back into the rotation.
January 22, 200917 yr Wow, that would really suck having to stick Ryan Tucker back into the rotation, when he will fit better in the bullpen, or having to call up Thompson when he may not be MLB ready. Hopefully Miller recovers in time for the regular season. Badenhop can always step up. Badenhop is still average from what we have seen. We really don't have a really trustworthy fifth starter after getting rid of Olsen (starting to regret trading him, even if he got bigger money), and Miller is needed to show that the Cabrera trade wasn't a failure, we also need Maybin to succeed so we don't look like idiots,.
January 22, 200917 yr Wow, that would really suck having to stick Ryan Tucker back into the rotation, when he will fit better in the bullpen, or having to call up Thompson when he may not be MLB ready. Hopefully Miller recovers in time for the regular season. They aren't going to move Tucker back into the rotation. apparently Yahoo sports thinks so
January 22, 200917 yr Wow, that would really suck having to stick Ryan Tucker back into the rotation, when he will fit better in the bullpen, or having to call up Thompson when he may not be MLB ready. Hopefully Miller recovers in time for the regular season. They aren't going to move Tucker back into the rotation. apparently Yahoo sports thinks so Well in that case... :lol
January 22, 200917 yr Wow, that would really suck having to stick Ryan Tucker back into the rotation, when he will fit better in the bullpen, or having to call up Thompson when he may not be MLB ready. Hopefully Miller recovers in time for the regular season. Badenhop can always step up. Badenhop is still average from what we have seen. We really don't have a really trustworthy fifth starter after getting rid of Olsen (starting to regret trading him, even if he got bigger money), and Miller is needed to show that the Cabrera trade wasn't a failure, we also need Maybin to succeed so we don't look like idiots,. Tbh, who gives a darn how we look? I only care how much we win (also a distant 2nd about the likeability of my team). Every team has made some bad deals.
January 22, 200917 yr Wow, that would really suck having to stick Ryan Tucker back into the rotation, when he will fit better in the bullpen, or having to call up Thompson when he may not be MLB ready. Hopefully Miller recovers in time for the regular season. Badenhop can always step up. Badenhop is still average from what we have seen. We really don't have a really trustworthy fifth starter after getting rid of Olsen (starting to regret trading him, even if he got bigger money), and Miller is needed to show that the Cabrera trade wasn't a failure, we also need Maybin to succeed so we don't look like idiots,. Badenhop is the definition of a fifth starter.We'll see how spring training goes.
January 22, 200917 yr Author Wow, that would really suck having to stick Ryan Tucker back into the rotation, when he will fit better in the bullpen, or having to call up Thompson when he may not be MLB ready. Hopefully Miller recovers in time for the regular season. Badenhop can always step up. Badenhop is still average from what we have seen. We really don't have a really trustworthy fifth starter after getting rid of Olsen (starting to regret trading him, even if he got bigger money), and Miller is needed to show that the Cabrera trade wasn't a failure, we also need Maybin to succeed so we don't look like idiots,. Having an average pitcher as your fifth starter is not a bad thing. Heck, the Mets don't even have a fifth starter. LOL. We are in a pretty good position to say that. :cool
January 22, 200917 yr we have an unproven Miller who is injured currently as our 5th starter. Since he's injured obviously and may not be ready for spring training, we have enough depth to find an inning's eater in our bullpen or out of our farm system, but we don't have a guy who can truely succeed this upcoming year as the 5th starter (definition of succeed 10+ wins, low 4 ERA.)
January 22, 200917 yr Author I believe, at some point, we have to try our younger guys out. We can't just keep them in the minors and try to sign people from the outside. Neither am I saying that anybody is insinuating that. But I thought that we have these kids in the minors so that, when the opportunity presents itself such as an injury, they come up and are given the chance to prove themselves. Bringing Tucker, Badenhop or Thompson now doesn't seem like a big issue for me. I think they should be brought up and tried out. We have to have a little faith in these guys. How else will we ever know how they will perform at the Major League level?
January 22, 200917 yr I believe, at some point, we have to try our younger guys out. We can't just keep them in the minors and try to sign people from the outside. Neither am I saying that anybody is insinuating that. But I thought that we have these kids in the minors so that, when the opportunity presents itself such as an injury, they come up and are given the chance to prove themselves. Bringing Tucker, Badenhop or Thompson now doesn't seem like a big issue for me. I think they should be brought up and tried out. We have to have a little faith in these guys. How else will we ever know how they will perform at the Major League level? We have them in the minors so that they can develop as players, and hopefully one day be ready to contribute to the MLB team. It's not like the guys you mentioned are in their late 20's or 30's. Badenhop is 25, and the other 2 are younger. The FO believes they aren't quite ready for the minor leagues, and this is perfectly normal - not to mention the harm rushing pitchers to the big leagues can do. Also who did we sign "from the outside"? Josh Johnson was drafted by the Marlins, and the other 4 projected starters were acquired via trade...... Lindstrom, Nunez, Pinto, DLC were all from trades.... Scott Proctor is the only guy I know of who we "signed"
January 22, 200917 yr Author I believe, at some point, we have to try our younger guys out. We can't just keep them in the minors and try to sign people from the outside. Neither am I saying that anybody is insinuating that. But I thought that we have these kids in the minors so that, when the opportunity presents itself such as an injury, they come up and are given the chance to prove themselves. Bringing Tucker, Badenhop or Thompson now doesn't seem like a big issue for me. I think they should be brought up and tried out. We have to have a little faith in these guys. How else will we ever know how they will perform at the Major League level? We have them in the minors so that they can develop as players, and hopefully one day be ready to contribute to the MLB team. It's not like the guys you mentioned are in their late 20's or 30's. Badenhop is 25, and the other 2 are younger. The FO believes they aren't quite ready for the minor leagues, and this is perfectly normal - not to mention the harm rushing pitchers to the big leagues can do. Also who did we sign "from the outside"? Josh Johnson was drafted by the Marlins, and the other 4 projected starters were acquired via trade...... Lindstrom, Nunez, Pinto, DLC were all from trades.... Scott Proctor is the only guy I know of who we "signed" Before I try to respond, I recommend you re-read my post and the parts I highlighted.
January 22, 200917 yr I believe, at some point, we have to try our younger guys out. We can't just keep them in the minors and try to sign people from the outside. Neither am I saying that anybody is insinuating that. But I thought that we have these kids in the minors so that, when the opportunity presents itself such as an injury, they come up and are given the chance to prove themselves. Bringing Tucker, Badenhop or Thompson now doesn't seem like a big issue for me. I think they should be brought up and tried out. We have to have a little faith in these guys. How else will we ever know how they will perform at the Major League level? We have them in the minors so that they can develop as players, and hopefully one day be ready to contribute to the MLB team. It's not like the guys you mentioned are in their late 20's or 30's. Badenhop is 25, and the other 2 are younger. The FO believes they aren't quite ready for the minor leagues, and this is perfectly normal - not to mention the harm rushing pitchers to the big leagues can do. Also who did we sign "from the outside"? Josh Johnson was drafted by the Marlins, and the other 4 projected starters were acquired via trade...... Lindstrom, Nunez, Pinto, DLC were all from trades.... Scott Proctor is the only guy I know of who we "signed" Before I try to respond, I recommend you re-read my post and the parts I highlighted. I read the post and responded. I am aware that you are not insinuating that. I was looking for clarification as to what seemed like a complaint about signing people from the outside as opposed to promoting from within. Maybe you are just advocating that (promoting youngsters) as a course of action, as opposed to complaining about/disagreeing with a perceived policy of signing guys. If that's the case, then I stand by the first part of my post. And if you were trying to sound extremely patronizing and condescending, then you absolutely succeeded. If not, no big deal, but it certainly comes across that way.
January 22, 200917 yr Wow, that would really suck having to stick Ryan Tucker back into the rotation, when he will fit better in the bullpen, or having to call up Thompson when he may not be MLB ready. Hopefully Miller recovers in time for the regular season. They aren't going to move Tucker back into the rotation. Actually, I remember listening to 790 back in December and they had Jim Flemming, VP of Player Development, on. He said that they want to keep Tucker as a reliever at the moment but that he could be moved back to the rotation if the situation called for it.
January 22, 200917 yr Author I believe, at some point, we have to try our younger guys out. We can't just keep them in the minors and try to sign people from the outside. Neither am I saying that anybody is insinuating that. But I thought that we have these kids in the minors so that, when the opportunity presents itself such as an injury, they come up and are given the chance to prove themselves. Bringing Tucker, Badenhop or Thompson now doesn't seem like a big issue for me. I think they should be brought up and tried out. We have to have a little faith in these guys. How else will we ever know how they will perform at the Major League level? We have them in the minors so that they can develop as players, and hopefully one day be ready to contribute to the MLB team. It's not like the guys you mentioned are in their late 20's or 30's. Badenhop is 25, and the other 2 are younger. The FO believes they aren't quite ready for the minor leagues, and this is perfectly normal - not to mention the harm rushing pitchers to the big leagues can do. Also who did we sign "from the outside"? Josh Johnson was drafted by the Marlins, and the other 4 projected starters were acquired via trade...... Lindstrom, Nunez, Pinto, DLC were all from trades.... Scott Proctor is the only guy I know of who we "signed" Before I try to respond, I recommend you re-read my post and the parts I highlighted. I read the post and responded. I am aware that you are not insinuating that. I was looking for clarification as to what seemed like a complaint about signing people from the outside as opposed to promoting from within. Maybe you are just advocating that (promoting youngsters) as a course of action, as opposed to complaining about/disagreeing with a perceived policy of signing guys. If that's the case, then I stand by the first part of my post. And if you were trying to sound extremely patronizing and condescending, then you absolutely succeeded. If not, no big deal, but it certainly comes across that way. OK. Let me back up. The intent of my post was to disagree w/ Dim0615 who seemingly doesn't believe that we have someone in our farm system that can truly succeed as our 5th starter. I believe we do have plenty of arms that can fill in until Miller comes back, i.e Badenhop, Tucker, or Thompson. I further state that I believe any one of these players should be provided w/ the opportunity to fill in and that we should not assume that any of them will not succeed as our 5th starter. As for my statement about bringing people from the outside, which is where you chimed in and apparently misunderstood, let me clarify. Since my perception of what Dim0615 was that none of our players in our bullpen or farm system could "truly succeed as our 5th starter", I posed the only other option to filling that spot which clearly is to sign someone from the outside. I guess I should have added traded for someone, but I don't care to trade for pitching right now since what we truly need is a Catcher. But that is another conversation. So let me stop there. From my understanding, those are the only two options we have. We either fill in from our pool of talent or we sign someone from the outside. That is it. I'm not saying we should go sign someone. But it is an option. What I am saying is that we stick to the program and give our guys a chance. I'm assuming when you state "It's not like the guys you mentioned are in their late 20's or 30's. Badenhop is 25, and the other 2 are younger. The FO believes they aren't quite ready for the minor leagues, and this is perfectly normal - not to mention the harm rushing pitchers to the big leagues can do." you are not in agreement w/ having these guys pitch right now. That is ok. I respect that. But I don't agree w/ you in that these guys shouldn't be given the chance since there are numerous examples of players that have succeeded to be 5th starters or better in this league at a young age: Lincecum (24), Hamels (25), Chamberlain (23), Liriano (25), etc. And these are guys that started at younger ages. I can go on. And the names I'm providing is just the tip of the iceburg since they are the top talent in the league. I can go back and name numerous other players that can fill A NUMBER 5 spot until Miller gets back. I can go back into the realms of MLB history and provide you w/ hundreds of examples of pitchers in their early to mid twenties that could fill in the fifth spot of our rotation until Miller returns. My point is that not everyone has to be a superstar to temporarily fill Miller's place until he gets better. We have the talent to do that. We have to trust that we drafted good players and we have to trust to give them a chance. I hope this explains my reasoning. Andif you got the impression that I was being condescending, I was not.
January 22, 200917 yr Are there any starting pitchers still in free agency that might be signed for our price range ( 3 mill or under) and are serviceable. Just in case Miller isnt ready. I would rather not rush Thompson yet.
January 22, 200917 yr I think Miller should start the season in AAA. He has not proven to be major league ready yet.
January 22, 200917 yr Wow. People criticized me for saying we would have a 70 win season next year most likely due to injuries and lack of depth but the dominoes are already starting to fall.
January 22, 200917 yr Author Wow. People criticized me for saying we would have a 70 win season next year most likely due to injuries and lack of depth but the dominoes are already starting to fall. :lol
January 22, 200917 yr If Miller isin't ready we could do a few things. Put Thompson if ready or Tucker temporarly in the rotation. Use Badenhop few spot starts if the schedule calls for him or Do what we did last season use 4 starters for the first few weeks and its a better rotation in Nolasco, Johnson, Volstad and Sanchez rather then the Hendrickson, Vanden Hurk,Miller Olsen rotaion we started with last season. Either way Miller shouldn't be gone for entirly to long maybe 1 or 2 weeks into the season at most.
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