Hmm i remember lots of people last year calling for matt to close while gregg was doing poorly? Are we just gonna run guys out there and after they blow 2 saves call for a new guy?

If by quality stuff you mean a flat fastball and a slider he cant throw effectively...so just a fastball then.

 

Not flat at all. TOO much movement was the problem, he was way too amped, hit 102 mph.

Almost glad this happened now. (not really, losing always sucks)

LORIA MUST GO. I dare Rabbethan or 2003, or any of the other Loria apologists to squirm out of this one.

 

LOL...This make the loss more palatable, thank you for the laught

If by quality stuff you mean a flat fastball and a slider he cant throw effectively...so just a fastball then.

 

Not flat at all. TOO much movement was the problem, he was way too amped, hit 102 mph.

Almost glad this happened now. (not really, losing always sucks)

 

Velocity doesn't mean movement. He's always had a relatively straight fastball. It's the reason he doesn't miss many bats with his stuff. It's the reason throwing his slider with consistency is so important (something he has failed to do this year).

i was at the game.

 

dissapointinggggggggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! send his ass to the minors!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If by quality stuff you mean a flat fastball and a slider he cant throw effectively...so just a fastball then.

 

Not flat at all. TOO much movement was the problem, he was way too amped, hit 102 mph.

Almost glad this happened now. (not really, losing always sucks)

 

 

wtf!!!!! glad this happened???

If by quality stuff you mean a flat fastball and a slider he cant throw effectively...so just a fastball then.

 

Not flat at all. TOO much movement was the problem, he was way too amped, hit 102 mph.

Almost glad this happened now. (not really, losing always sucks)

 

Velocity doesn't mean movement. He's always had a relatively straight fastball. It's the reason he doesn't miss many bats with his stuff. It's the reason throwing his slider with consistency is so important (something he has failed to do this year).

 

Not what I meant, there was movement & too much velocity. "He's always had a relatively straight fastball" yes, very true, not tonite, which in a way is promising and frustrating.

You can never have too much movement. Lindstrom has never really had any.

You can never have too much movement. Lindstrom has never really had any.

 

He did tonight, seriously, if you've got it recorded, take a look again (I know, its painful) its the reason he couldnt locate it, I think he shocked himself as well as Baker. This was a very weird outting for him. And yes you can have too much movement if you cant locate.

Quotes from an AP article.

 

Lindstrom: "It?s a deflating feeling, especially for the guys that worked so hard the whole game, to come in there and blow it. This is going to be a test for me."

 

Fredi: "It?s a good learning experience for him. You can?t walk runners in the ninth inning."

 

JJ: "It happens. You don?t want it to happen, but it does. He has been great for us. It?s not fun to see, but he?ll be back tomorrow and ready to go."

 

:confused

Leo Nunez till lindstrom puts it together

Lindstrom seems to think he can blow anyone away with a FLAT 98mph fastball. lmao! Cant rememeber the last time we had a closer we could feel 100% sure the game was over.. Nen??

You can never have too much movement. Lindstrom has never really had any.

 

He did tonight, seriously, if you've got it recorded, take a look again (I know, its painful) its the reason he couldnt locate it, I think he shocked himself as well as Baker. This was a very weird outting for him. And yes you can have too much movement if you cant locate.

 

Look again at the homer pitch to Victorino, 94 mph meatball at the letters over the plate, he dialed it back & got burned, no movement there. Its the previous 2 at bats that are interesting and unusual for Lindstrom, in a way its encouraging. To me, the entire inning was fascinating to observe if you can detach yourself from the outcome. By the way, the first pitch to Victorino was a slider that just missed, one pitch that changed the whole outcome. It should have been a strike.

You all whine too much. I'm not gonna sit here and diagnose Lindstrom's problems (besides the obvious) and the cure, because if any of us were that qualified we'd be on the payroll.

 

You can argue that the "pressure of closing" is too much for Matt, but the reality is that in 2 seasons before this one he has put up an ERA below 3.15 and given up a total of 3 HRs (before tonight). As long as he gets his head right, this will mean about as much to him as Uggla's ASG performance meant. Every player, even good ones, have really crappy nights.

 

For whatever it's worth, Lindstrom's best numbers so far in his career haven't been at the start of the season either.

 

The people whining about Loria not spending money are ridiculous BTW.

#1 - The one time we actually were in it and didn't have a decent closer, which was 2003, Loria & co. did get Urbina.

#2 - This idea of bringing in a well known closer to start the season was what we tried in 2007 with Jorge Julio. Don't we remember how that went?

If there's a positive, it's probably that Lindstrom threw too many pitches to be run out there again tomorrow.

 

And everyone calling for Lindstrom to be demoted in the bullpen or even released, save it. He's gotta blow a few more than this for the manager (ANY manager, really) to even bat an eye.

OK, I kinda over reacted in the game thread when I said Lindstrom sucks, blah blah blah. I was frustrated, it happens.

But for everyone that said make leo nunez closer till lindstrom gets in the groove, I agree. We can't throw lindstrom out there everday till he gets into his groove. We have to ease him into the situation, and having him as a set up man first would do that.

f*** lindstrom needs to be a set up man for nunez. f***!!!!! today hurt bad

does it suck? yes

 

is it the end of the world ? no

 

Look every pitcher's gonna have his days...even the great's have their bad days. Experience is a b**ch sometimes but at the end of the day its what makes you better. Suck it up, move on, gotta another game to worry about tomorrow.

 

Braden Looper says hi btw.

 

This is just not the same Lindstrom that we've seen for the past 2 years. He made his living by constantly hitting 99-100mph. This year so far, he's been merely in the 94-95 range. Something has to be up with his arm... he must not be fully recovered from whatever injury he had.

Fredi: "It’s a good learning experience for him. You can’t walk runners in the ninth inning."

this is what's pissed me off about fredi, and even before him, girardi. giving up wins for "lessons" n sh*t.

This is just not the same Lindstrom that we've seen for the past 2 years. He made his living by constantly hitting 99-100mph. This year so far, he's been merely in the 94-95 range. Something has to be up with his arm... he must not be fully recovered from whatever injury he had.

He hit 101 today.

Think the Brewers would be willing to move Jorge Julio?

 

That is a perfect example of Loria trying to sabatoge his team. Jorge Julio...."He's our man" :banghead :banghead :banghead

 

One of the surest signs that the Marlins lost is a bunch of posts by Mungo.

Fun fact: Mungo hasn't posted in 10 days, since he revealed that he lives in a dream land where no one refers to Queen Elizabeth II as "the Queen of England".

 

'Of course he hasn't. "If you can't say something bad, don't say anything at all." He has it tattooed on his forearm.

 

Give the guy a break. How could anyone think straight when all they do all day is :banghead :banghead :banghead

 

BTW Why would someone refer to a big boat as the Queen of England??

I do get it. Your argument was that it's not the right team while calling President Obama that is because of "common vernacular". And then you argued that "Queen of England" wasn't common vernacular. It's ridiculousness, sir. Just like you didn't want to say "President of The United States Obama", I didn't want to say "Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and the other Commonwealth realms".

 

 

Seriously, complete ridiculousness.

 

Canada? Australia?

You realize Lindstrom retiring the side is almost unheard of... ...He always puts runners on.

By unheard off you mean his last appearance before today?

 

I mean, I'm not trying to pretend that he's been lights out, but come on. First off, how many people actually do that often?

 

Here is an example. K-Rod had 21 appearances last season of atleast 1 IP with no H and no BB. In 63 appearances of at least 1IP.

 

Lindstrom did it 17 times in 48 appearances of at least 1IP.

 

That's 35% for Lindstrom and 33% for multi-million dollar closer K-Rod.

 

This actually interests me a bunch now that you mention it. I'm gonna look further into this.

I'd like to touch on this again. This took me a long time because the BR Play Index is terribly formatted.

 

I looked up how many relief appearances there were in the majors there were at least 1IP and how many of those were done with no baserunners in 2008. I came up with 10,222 innings and 2,769, giving about 27% of them being without baserunners.

 

I then took out everyone without 20 appearances that met the 1IP criteria. That took me from 494 pitchers to 214 pitchers. The average of them having one of these appearances without baserunners was about 28.7%.

 

Under those criteria, Matt Lindstrom had 33.3% innings with no base runners. He ranked 59/214, in the top 28% of ML relievers who met the criteria.

 

Now, I'm not really sure what this proves or doesn't prove besides that saying that him never pitching without putting runners on is ridiculous.

Mariano Rivera blew the save for the Yanks tonight - think they would be interested in exchanging closers with us?