lindstrom isn't horrible but his fast balls have no movement and that's all he throws. it doesn't matter how hard you throw if you have no movement. i predict nunez will be the new closer by mid-may.

He hit 101 today

 

One of 'em hit 102.

 

Obviously his arm-strength has fully recovered.

 

Despite that fact that it was obvious from the very beginning that his control was almost nonexistent, Freddi has the "run 'em out there and let 'em sink or swim and I would never want to do anything that might undermine the confidence of any reliever" attitude, regardless, ala Julio and Gregg.

 

And, of course, we wouldn't want to interrupt a "learning experience," or whatever other stupid and useless pap and fluff he's serving up at the time.

 

All of us who were wondering why Nunez, who obviously has his act together, didn't close it (yeah, we know it was to keep him available for the next game) after his flawless, low pitch-count 8th will continue to wonder and gnash our teeth at this sort of rubbish.

 

When are they going to figure out that a win today is the same as a win in September, when they're much harder to come by and that "learning experiences" are something you should experience elsewhere?

 

:banghead :banghead :banghead

 

Yeah, one loss is meaningless in the grand scheme of things and everyone reverts to the mean over time, but THIS loss was more significant than most. It NEVER should have happened, for many reasons. Hopefully, they recover, win 2 of 3 and go on a tear on the road.

 

If they don't, this game may be remembered as what sent them back to the middle of the pack.

Incredible. I was there last year when Gregg gave up the grand slam to Beltran, and I was there last night. Lindstrom is definitely suffering from Kevin Gregg syndrome.

Incredible. I was there last year when Gregg gave up the grand slam to Beltran, and I was there last night. Lindstrom is definitely suffering from Kevin Gregg syndrome.

 

Hint: STAY AWAY FROM THE STADIUM!!!

 

Just kiddin!

 

Btw, were u there with Rachel last night as many of us on the game thread thought they showed her on tv and someone said it looked like she was with u?

Any time your closer comes in and gives up 7 runs while being handed a 3 run lead, something went horribly wrong. Again, some of the blame has to go to Fredi for keeping him in there that long. After having the bases loaded with 2 runs in, that's when he should have been pulled. Or after the grand slam, at least. It wasn't like Lindstrom threw one bad pitch. I think the same "lesson" would have been learned if he left with the bases loaded and still up 3-2, then afterwards.

Incredible. I was there last year when Gregg gave up the grand slam to Beltran, and I was there last night. Lindstrom is definitely suffering from Kevin Gregg syndrome.

 

Hint: STAY AWAY FROM THE STADIUM!!!

 

Just kiddin!

 

Btw, were u there with Rachel last night as many of us on the game thread thought they showed her on tv and someone said it looked like she was with u?

 

Yeah, that was us. Anybody got a screen cap of this?

Incredible. I was there last year when Gregg gave up the grand slam to Beltran, and I was there last night. Lindstrom is definitely suffering from Kevin Gregg syndrome.

 

 

So your the one to blame, huh. Its pretty clear you mess up our closers.

Does anyone one else think its more matts make up and not just the fact he doesnt have control? Ive heard a couple interviews saying hes not extactly the most confident guy and baker has to try and pump him up. Makes me wonder even if he does gain control if he can get the job done. Most closers go out there thinking they own everyone.

Incredible. I was there last year when Gregg gave up the grand slam to Beltran, and I was there last night. Lindstrom is definitely suffering from Kevin Gregg syndrome.

 

 

So your the one to blame, huh. Its pretty clear you mess up our closers.

 

Actually, it was Rachel and her dog's fault. I've seen countless blown saves when I've gone with her, and her dog was already 0-1 when going to a game.

Does anyone one else think its more matts make up and not just the fact he doesnt have control? Ive heard a couple interviews saying hes not extactly the most confident guy and baker has to try and pump him up. Makes me wonder even if he does gain control if he can get the job done. Most closers go out there thinking they own everyone.

 

Don't know if buy into that

 

but...

 

Wes Helms on who he wouldn't want to fight:

 

This year I'd probably say Leo Nunez, because of the way he pitches. He's crazy on the mound, so I'd probably think he'd be crazy off the field.

Does anyone one else think its more matts make up and not just the fact he doesnt have control? Ive heard a couple interviews saying hes not extactly the most confident guy and baker has to try and pump him up. Makes me wonder even if he does gain control if he can get the job done. Most closers go out there thinking they own everyone.

 

Don't know if buy into that

 

but...

 

Wes Helms on who he wouldn't want to fight:

 

This year I'd probably say Leo Nunez, because of the way he pitches. He's crazy on the mound, so I'd probably think he'd be crazy off the field.

 

He seems incredibly laid back and soft-spoken, actually. I was upstairs in the VIP pass section and he was shy around everyone while Hanley, Amezaga, Cody, etc. were having a blast!

He is sad .

Does anyone one else think its more matts make up and not just the fact he doesnt have control? Ive heard a couple interviews saying hes not extactly the most confident guy and baker has to try and pump him up. Makes me wonder even if he does gain control if he can get the job done. Most closers go out there thinking they own everyone.

 

Don't know if buy into that

 

but...

 

Wes Helms on who he wouldn't want to fight:

 

This year I'd probably say Leo Nunez, because of the way he pitches. He's crazy on the mound, so I'd probably think he'd be crazy off the field.

 

He seems incredibly laid back and soft-spoken, actually. I was upstairs in the VIP pass section and he was shy around everyone while Hanley, Amezaga, Cody, etc. were having a blast!

 

Yeah he does seem pretty laid back but some guys are like totally different when they get on the field.

He is sad .

 

His face was so red last night in the dugout.

I'm sure you all read Fredi's comments that if there's a save situation tonight Lindstrom is his guy.

 

You do have to wonder how five days rest affected him (vs someone else, some guys are fine, other as we see all the time, just get out of their rhythm)? It almost begs the question would he be better suited to setting up in the seventh or eighth if he needs to pitch more regularly since you more times than not save your closer for that situation. Or maybe use him close to every other day whether it's a save situation or not.

I'm sure you all read Fredi's comments that if there's a save situation tonight Lindstrom is his guy.

 

You do have to wonder how five days rest affected him (vs someone else, some guys are fine, other as we see all the time, just get out of their rhythm)? It almost begs the question would he be better suited to setting up in the seventh or eighth if he needs to pitch more regularly since you more times than not save your closer for that situation. Or maybe use him close to every other day whether it's a save situation or not.

 

Please no. I'm like 7-0 when going to Marlins games (I usually go once a season counting that one time I saw a game at Shea) and I might just see my first loss today.

A waste of a great outing by JJ. Ugh.

 

I'm tired of this bull and Fredi always saying, "he's our guy" after a closer does this. Lindstrom needs to learn to throw another pitch.

 

:banghead Screw the Phillies and their fans.

Well, Fredi could have said "He's our guy" to the camera but in the club house Fredi could have said "you are not the guy" to Lindy. What Fredi says to the camera is probably not what he says off camera. Trashing a player on camera is not cool and unprofessional.

Wow. :banghead

 

This is what you get when you have an owner that won't spend for a closer. Its the same every year. Loria is the reason we will never win another title as long as he is the owner. He is cheap and greedy.

 

LORIA MUST GO !

Heh. Thanks, I needed that.

 

X2

How does Lindstrom ever look at Josh Johnson again ? Unbelievable. Thank you Loria for being a cheapazz who won't spend for a closer or a bullpen. What a turd of an owner.

 

What starter will ever want to play for the Marlins ? Johnson had a win taken away from him, and now he will want out, because he knows its futile to pitch for the Marlins because ownership will never pay for a decent bullpen.

 

LORIA MUST GO. I dare Rabbethan or 2003, or any of the other Loria apologists to squirm out of this one.

 

 

I'm not a fan of Loria either but last year Lindstrom did farley well in save oppurtunities as he was 5/6, i agree he control isn't good at all but i disagree in Loria not wanting to waste money money for a closer or even a bullpen.

 

He got a steal in trading Mike Jacobs for Leo Nunez and for picking up Kiko Callero and Dan Meyer. The only one he could have resigned that did great last year was Joe Nelson who maybe could have closed this season.

 

Plus spending money for a closer is bulls*** because the only real decent closers out there were Putz, K Rod, Fuentes and Street(has been shake the past few years) who all make over 10 Million which is 10 million we don't have.

 

If you were in his shoes what "great" closer would you have gotten in the offseason with the minimal money available?

 

Joe Nelson, letting him go because he wanted $ 500,000 more than what the Marlins wanted to pay. That is all on Loria.

 

Lindstrom is ruined for the year now, his head will be all screwed up.

 

Oh yeah he's gonna go on the 60 Day DL for, IBLOWSAVESANDSHOULDKILLMYSELF Disorder.

It's the doctors recomendation.

 

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

Nice

The title of this thread is so misleading. Not once on these boards have I ever heard Matt being called Superman. Not until after Gregg blew a couple saves, and evidently some fantasy teams, did he become "trash" around here.

Incredible. I was there last year when Gregg gave up the grand slam to Beltran, and I was there last night. Lindstrom is definitely suffering from Kevin Gregg syndrome.

 

Hint: STAY AWAY FROM THE STADIUM!!!

 

Just kiddin!

 

Btw, were u there with Rachel last night as many of us on the game thread thought they showed her on tv and someone said it looked like she was with u?

 

Yeah, that was us. Anybody got a screen cap of this?

I'll get you one after I get home tonight.

Incredible. I was there last year when Gregg gave up the grand slam to Beltran, and I was there last night. Lindstrom is definitely suffering from Kevin Gregg syndrome.

 

Hint: STAY AWAY FROM THE STADIUM!!!

 

Just kiddin!

 

Btw, were u there with Rachel last night as many of us on the game thread thought they showed her on tv and someone said it looked like she was with u?

 

Yeah, that was us. Anybody got a screen cap of this?

I'll get you one after I get home tonight.

:| !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't.

I don't if anyone mentioned this yet but...

 

Is it possible the WBC is to blame for what happened to Lindstrom? Somebody in today's Sun-Sentinel suggested that. I think it was Beridino. Alot of guys seem to be having ill effects for participating in that.

I don't if anyone mentioned this yet but...

 

Is it possible the WBC is to blame for what happened to Lindstrom? Somebody in today's Sun-Sentinel suggested that. I think it was Beridino. Alot of guys seem to be having ill effects for participating in that.

 

The argument is that he wouldn't have been throwing/playing as all-out as he was in the WBC if he were just in spring training, where players ease themselves in more. It's hard to say, though.