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i know it's just a rumor but do you think that the giant and marlins would be good trade partners? if i were the marlins i'd try to get cain and lewis by surrounding a package around uggla. oh and i do believe sabean is stupid enough to trade away cain.

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i know it's just a rumor by do you think that the giant and marlins would be good trade partner? if i were the marlins i'd try to get cain and lewis surrounding a package around uggla.

 

 

 

LOL people overrating Uggla. If anything the Marlins would have to revolve a package of Uggla, and some A/B+ Prospects to get Cain.

I'd go for derosa if I was them but he is sucking right now. Also I bet they heard about how loria is mad and thought they could get him for nothing.

I think this should be said for the final time:

 

 

THE GIANTS ARE NOT GOING TO TRADE MATT CAIN

I think this should be said for the final time:

 

 

THE GIANTS ARE NOT GOING TO TRADE MATT CAIN

 

 

you're probably right. they're probably just trying to see what kind of package they can get in return down the road for a player of cain's calibur.

They aren't trading Cain, and why the hell would you want Lewis? No thanks.

 

The Giants have two A+ pitching prospects - Bumgarner and Aldersen. The Marlins should aggressively pursue either of them for Uggla. We don't need anything else they have.

Uggla for Clayton Tanner and Thomas Neal/Jose Casilla would be a good deal.

I say we send them Hermida, Bonifacio, Pinto, and Lindstrom for Cain and Lincecum.

Uggla for Clayton Tanner and Thomas Neal/Jose Casilla would be a good deal for Uggla.

 

That would be terrible. If we're trading Uggla mid season, we need to get Aldersen.

Uggla and Bonifacio for Alderson and Pablo Sandoval hopefully

Uggla for Clayton Tanner and Thomas Neal/Jose Casilla would be a good deal for Uggla.

 

That would be terrible. If we're trading Uggla mid season, we need to get Aldersen.

It wouldnt be terrible at all, and a package with Tanner and a decent secondary spec like Neal(who is tearing up the California league this year) or Casilla(who hasnt pitched yet this year but was dominant last year) wouldnt be bad at all for Uggla and is actually likely more realistic for what you would get for Uggla than one of their 2 best pitching prospects.

Don't see Tanner as being hot, at all. Guy is barely able to sustain a 2:1 K:BB ratio in the minors. You're talking about trading Uggla for 2 C+ prospects. Yeah, aiming for a B+/A guys like Alderson and Bum is aiming high, but Uggla is worth a lot more than a couple C+ prospects.

We would like to think so. But I am guessing Uggla could be had for a JP style deal, and there is alot of upside in Neal and Casilla, Tanner is a lefty with decent stuff and an OK track record and would likely go straight to Jacksonville.

Uggla for Clayton Tanner and Thomas Neal/Jose Casilla would be a good deal for Uggla.

 

That would be terrible. If we're trading Uggla mid season, we need to get Aldersen.

It wouldnt be terrible at all, and a package with Tanner and a decent secondary spec like Neal(who is tearing up the California league this year) or Casilla(who hasnt pitched yet this year but was dominant last year) wouldnt be bad at all for Uggla and is actually likely more realistic for what you would get for Uggla than one of their 2 best pitching prospects.

You want to trade Uggla for 2 guys not in San Francisco's top 10 prospects. That's brilliant. Tanner isn't good. He gives up tons of hits and doesn't strike out a lot of guys. The only reason his ERA is acceptable is because he isn't giving up any HR, but as we are seeing with Volstad, that changes real quick as you move up levels. The other two guys are even more skeptical. Tanner is a secondary prospect throw in at best. We're trading a 2B with a career .825 OPS, club controlled for 2 more years, still relatively in his prime for 2-3 more seasons, and is proven. Aldersen is realistic. We're asking for their # 2 SP prospect, # 4 overall prospect. If they don't want to part with him, oh well. We don't need to DUMP Uggla for crap, which is what your trade is. We can wait until a realistic trade comes through

Getting "crap" as you like to call it is alot more realistic than getting Alderson, sorry to tell you. Uggla is 29 years old and hasnt been all that great since before last years all star break. His value isnt as high as you would like to think it is.

why the hell would you want Lewis? No thanks.

 

 

The Giants won't trade him (Why in the world are the offensively deprived Giants going to trade one of their best young hitters?)

 

But I would like to get a guy like Lewis. .800 OPS massive club control guy (just 1 year of service time) with plus defense. Our near-future corner OF isn't looking that bright at the moment. It's only been two months, you don't quit on prospects based off two months, but Peterson, Cousins, and Raynor are all struggling. And Lewis is basically what they become if they work out.

 

Cody is playing himself to DFA land, for as nice as Hermida's April was, his May is 2008 (.333 OBP, .663 OPS with 8/23 BB/K [9%/26%, basically he's 2008 ratios]).

 

Like I said you definitely don't make a move based off two months, but come July if Hermida is not hitting, Cody is still like this, Raynor/Cousins/Peterson aren't showing up...more importantly come this offseason and it's still that way. Yeah, hopefully Logan fills up one spot. Still need the other. And having a known production, massive club control guy like Lewis would be great.

 

What we give up is obviously the thing. But if we can look at our 2010 rotation as "ok, 5 of JJ/Nolasco/Miller/Anibal/Volstad/West are set", no problem at all with trading Uggla for an OFer.

why the hell would you want Lewis? No thanks.

 

 

The Giants won't trade him (Why in the world are the offensively deprived Giants going to trade one of their best young hitters?)

 

But I would like to get a guy like Lewis. .800 OPS massive club control guy (just 1 year of service time) with plus defense. Our near-future corner OF isn't looking that bright at the moment. It's only been two months, you don't quit on prospects based off two months, but Peterson, Cousins, and Raynor are all struggling. And Lewis is basically what they become if they work out.

 

Cody is playing himself to DFA land, for as nice as Hermida's April was, his May is 2008 (.333 OBP, .663 OPS with 8/23 BB/K [9%/26%, basically he's 2008 ratios]).

 

Like I said you definitely don't make a move based off two months, but come July if Hermida is not hitting, Cody is still like this, Raynor/Cousins/Peterson aren't showing up...more importantly come this offseason and it's still that way. Yeah, hopefully Logan fills up one spot. Still need the other. And having a known production, massive club control guy like Lewis would be great.

 

What we give up is obviously the thing. But if we can look at our 2010 rotation as "ok, 5 of JJ/Nolasco/Miller/Anibal/Volstad/West are set", no problem at all with trading Uggla for an OFer.

 

The reason why this team is in such a bad situation is that they've been getting rid of talent without getting enough in return. We can't keep trading solid contributors (in the case of Uggla sometimes spectacular contributors) or outright cutting guys without getting value. This is especially important for us being in the situation of never actually signing quality free agents. It would be a terrible move for the club to deal Uggla while his value isn't high, even if it costs us slightly in the short term. We're not good now and we won't ever be if we can't take care of the only assets we have.

Uggla + Hermida for Cain.

I say we send them Hermida, Bonifacio, Pinto, and Lindstrom for Cain and Lincecum.

 

 

Finally Bonifacio would be good for something! LOL At least as an added body in a trade! I would do this trade in a heart beat.

Find a way to get Kevin Pucetas please! He's a beast in the making.

The reason why this team is in such a bad situation is that they've been getting rid of talent without getting enough in return. We can't keep trading solid contributors (in the case of Uggla sometimes spectacular contributors) or outright cutting guys without getting value. This is especially important for us being in the situation of never actually signing quality free agents. It would be a terrible move for the club to deal Uggla while his value isn't high, even if it costs us slightly in the short term. We're not good now and we won't ever be if we can't take care of the only assets we have.

 

 

I agree with what you're saying, but (since you quoted me) I don't understand what that has to do with possibility needing to trade for a cost-controlled corner OFer.

Although to counter point my argument, I just saw just how breath taking Stanton is doing in Jupiter. He seriously could contend for a '10 OF spot if he keeps this up the entire year, calling up to jax, ect. At worst we're talking '11. Meaning we'd only need a corner OF for one year. And finding a FA corner OFer for a couple bones isn't hard, especially in this market.

 

However that's also dependent on Gaby controlling first, pushing Morrison to the OF. But, again, FA 1B/corner OF are the cheapest and easiest to get.

/cue Marlins1 to tell me to not worry about Gaby

The reason why this team is in such a bad situation is that they've been getting rid of talent without getting enough in return. We can't keep trading solid contributors (in the case of Uggla sometimes spectacular contributors) or outright cutting guys without getting value. This is especially important for us being in the situation of never actually signing quality free agents. It would be a terrible move for the club to deal Uggla while his value isn't high, even if it costs us slightly in the short term. We're not good now and we won't ever be if we can't take care of the only assets we have.

 

 

I agree with what you're saying, but (since you quoted me) I don't understand what that has to do with possibility needing to trade for a cost-controlled corner OFer.

 

Wasn't entirely trying to refute you, but you implied a bit that you wouldn't mind an Uggla for Lewis trade. I can see the value of Lewis and I realize thats more what you were trying to outline.

why the hell would you want Lewis? No thanks.

 

 

The Giants won't trade him (Why in the world are the offensively deprived Giants going to trade one of their best young hitters?)

 

But I would like to get a guy like Lewis. .800 OPS massive club control guy (just 1 year of service time) with plus defense. Our near-future corner OF isn't looking that bright at the moment. It's only been two months, you don't quit on prospects based off two months, but Peterson, Cousins, and Raynor are all struggling. And Lewis is basically what they become if they work out.

 

Cody is playing himself to DFA land, for as nice as Hermida's April was, his May is 2008 (.333 OBP, .663 OPS with 8/23 BB/K [9%/26%, basically he's 2008 ratios]).

 

Like I said you definitely don't make a move based off two months, but come July if Hermida is not hitting, Cody is still like this, Raynor/Cousins/Peterson aren't showing up...more importantly come this offseason and it's still that way. Yeah, hopefully Logan fills up one spot. Still need the other. And having a known production, massive club control guy like Lewis would be great.

 

What we give up is obviously the thing. But if we can look at our 2010 rotation as "ok, 5 of JJ/Nolasco/Miller/Anibal/Volstad/West are set", no problem at all with trading Uggla for an OFer.

You mentioned it later in the thread, but I think trading for 1B/LF/RF is pretty idiotic as they are the easiest pieces to find. Plus, if Morrison/Stanton flank Maybin in 2 years, we shouldn't be trading a big trading chip like Uggla for a guy that is just going to be run out of town sooner rather than later. The only position I'd like to see the team trade for is maybe another young 3B. Dominguez may take a bit longer to develop than originally anticipated, and we have a black hole over there.

 

Other than that, pitching, pitching, and more pitching.

You mentioned it later in the thread, but I think trading for 1B/LF/RF is pretty idiotic as they are the easiest pieces to find. Plus, if Morrison/Stanton flank Maybin in 2 years, we shouldn't be trading a big trading chip like Uggla for a guy that is just going to be run out of town sooner rather than later. The only position I'd like to see the team trade for is maybe another young 3B. Dominguez may take a bit longer to develop than originally anticipated, and we have a black hole over there.

 

Other than that, pitching, pitching, and more pitching.

 

 

The one thing about this I'd disagree with is in the chance that we could also spin off whatever piece that is for whatever it is we need when the Morrison/Stanton/Maybin triumvirate is ready. So, if we can get the proper equivalent value at one of those positions, super - then we trade THAT guy when we don't need him anymore. Is it conventional? By all means it isn't, but such is being a fan of the Marlins, right?