July 5, 200916 yr Daily Farm Reports -- 7/5 AAA -- New Orleans New Orleans 9, Iowa 1 Cameron Maybin - CF: 2-4, HR, 2RBI, 2R, 2B, BB Gaby Sanchez - 3B: 0-5, SO Jai Miller: DNP John Raynor - LF: 3-4, 2RBI, R Brett Hayes - C: 1-3, RBI, R, BB Rick VandenHurk: DNP Dallas Trahern: DNP AA -- Jacksonville Jacksonville 14, Mississippi 3 Mike Stanton - RF: 0-6, SO Damn, that's rough, especially with how well the rest of the hitters did. Logan Morrison - 1B: 5-6, 1HR, 5RBI, 2R, 2 2B WOW!!! What a day! Scott Cousins - LF: 3-5, RBI, R, 2B Bryan Peterson: DNP Kyle Winters: DNP Aaron Thompson - SP: (W) 6IP, 2ER, 3K, 3B, 6H, 2R Graham Taylor: DNP High A -- Jupiter Jupiter 8, St. Lucie 4 Matt Dominguez - 3B: 4-4, HR, RBI, 4R, 2 2B, BB Hell of a day as well! This is definitely a welcome sight! Alejandro Sanabia - SP: (W) 6.2IP, 3ER, K, 3BB, 4H, 3R Elih Villanueva: DNP Jeff Allison: DNP A -- Greensboro Greensboro 3, Lake County 1 Kyle Skipworth: DL Isaac Galloway: DNP Jake Smolinski - 3B: 0-3, BB Kyle Kaminska: DNP Brad Hand: DNP Low A -- Jamestown Jamestown 7, Mahoning Valley 6 Blake Brewer: DNP Curtis Petersen - SP: (W) 5IP, 0ER, 3K, 5BB, 3H, R Gulf Coast League -- Marlins NO GAME TODAY
July 6, 200916 yr Anyone know what happened to Bryan Petersen? Left last nights game in the top of the first after getting caught stolen (muscle? finger? ect?)
July 6, 200916 yr It is awesome to see that Matt Dominguez is getting his bat back to what we were hoping when we drafted him. Love Morrison's day, should be up early next year. Amazing to see Stanton went 0-6, but should expect those kind of things to happen.
July 6, 200916 yr Author It is awesome to see that Matt Dominguez is getting his bat back to what we were hoping when we drafted him. Love Morrison's day, should be up early next year. Amazing to see Stanton went 0-6, but should expect those kind of things to happen. Yeah Dominguez has been hitting the crap out of the ball lately. Stanton is surely struggling, but what can I say. He is 19 years old. I do not wish to rush him in any way. I really believe he's special talent we're working with. I think the FO knows it, too. I've only seen limited video of him, but his numbers in Jupiter tell the story. I think he'll catch on soon. Just seeing this picture makes you get excited to see HanRam hitting third and Stanton following him in the lineup. Unreal.
July 6, 200916 yr Finally another dinger for Maybin. It really is only a matter of time now I think before he is back with the Marlins. I recently also have adopted a firm belief that Hermida will be traded to make room for Maybin. BTW Miami Fan, I think what you are doing with these daily updates is fantastic! Otherwise I wouldn't be regularly kept up to date with how our Minor Leaguers are performing.
July 6, 200916 yr Thompson is starting to put together a pretty good year. Very quietly. Perhaps a reason Anibal Sanchez won't be here next year.
July 6, 200916 yr Author Finally another dinger for Maybin. It really is only a matter of time now I think before he is back with the Marlins. I recently also have adopted a firm belief that Hermida will be traded to make room for Maybin. BTW Miami Fan, I think what you are doing with these daily updates is fantastic! Otherwise I wouldn't be regularly kept up to date with how our Minor Leaguers are performing. Thanks, and I appreciate the encouragement. I think we're pretty lucky as fans of this franchise to have such a good minor league system. And I agree with you that Hermida is on his way out and Maybin will be up as soon as an OF spot opens, which is hopefully soon. Question: If/when Hermida gets traded, will Cody stay in center or do you think we'll move Maybin there, if indeed he is called up soon.
July 6, 200916 yr Thompson is starting to put together a pretty good year. Very quietly. Perhaps a reason Anibal Sanchez won't be here next year. Anibal isn't going to be here because he's going to jump to $1.3-1.5ish in arbitration.
July 6, 200916 yr Author Thompson is starting to put together a pretty good year. Very quietly. Perhaps a reason Anibal Sanchez won't be here next year. Anibal isn't going to be here because he's going to jump to $1.3-1.5ish in arbitration. Is that really too much for Anibal? I'm not sure I want to give up on him yet, even with how our current rotation is "set" for right now.
July 6, 200916 yr Thompson is starting to put together a pretty good year. Very quietly. Perhaps a reason Anibal Sanchez won't be here next year. Anibal isn't going to be here because he's going to jump to $1.3-1.5ish in arbitration. Is that really too much for Anibal? I'm not sure I want to give up on him yet, even with how our current rotation is "set" for right now. It's too much for somebody who isn't health. We can't afford to be have millions sitting on the DL instead of the playing field.
July 6, 200916 yr Author Thompson is starting to put together a pretty good year. Very quietly. Perhaps a reason Anibal Sanchez won't be here next year. Anibal isn't going to be here because he's going to jump to $1.3-1.5ish in arbitration. Is that really too much for Anibal? I'm not sure I want to give up on him yet, even with how our current rotation is "set" for right now. It's too much for somebody who isn't health. We can't afford to be have millions sitting on the DL instead of the playing field. How long does he have left on the DL? I just thought he would be back soon, but if he is going to have extended time on the DL, then I understand.
July 6, 200916 yr [How long does he have left on the DL? I just thought he would be back soon, but if he is going to have extended time on the DL, then I understand. It's just in general. Labrum surgerys are horrible, and he hasn't pitched well since 2006. If this was 2012, keep him and see if it works out. But this is going to be 2010, and you better damn well be confident you get at least 125 innings if Anibal rises to $1.25-1.5 million range in arbitration. That money is important as it could go elsewhere. He's throwing as far as I know. He'll probably hit the minors for some starts in July.
July 6, 200916 yr Kind of troubling to see Sanabia's K rate dropping with his stuff. It might just be an anomaly though. You can only draw so many conclusions when you don't see these guys play everyday. Hopefully he continues to get back on track after an atrocious June. You have to wonder how much longer they can keep Maybin in NO. He's done everything he can possibly do to get called up (minus the homers but still slugging .484) including, most importantly, improving his plate discipline which was cited as the main reason he was sent down (22 walks to 27 K's).
July 7, 200916 yr Kind of troubling to see Sanabia's K rate dropping with his stuff. It might just be an anomaly though. You can only draw so many conclusions when you don't see these guys play everyday. Hopefully he continues to get back on track after an atrocious June. You have to wonder how much longer they can keep Maybin in NO. He's done everything he can possibly do to get called up (minus the homers but still slugging .484) including, most importantly, improving his plate discipline which was cited as the main reason he was sent down (22 walks to 27 K's). One argument with Maybin is service time. If they keep him down until September, he will probably avoid being a Super 2 thus delaying arbitration a season. He'd be around .130 or so days if I did the math right, and lately around 140 days is the cut off. He would shockingly cost the minimum 2010, 2011, and 2012, if they do that. He's already eligible for the playoff roster, so if they think they don't need him, might as well save the money in 2012. Sanabia is having a real nice year, and even a dip in K's really doesn't diminish the quality innings he's been throwing all year. Jax was always going to be the measuring stick.
July 7, 200916 yr Author Kind of troubling to see Sanabia's K rate dropping with his stuff. It might just be an anomaly though. You can only draw so many conclusions when you don't see these guys play everyday. Hopefully he continues to get back on track after an atrocious June. You have to wonder how much longer they can keep Maybin in NO. He's done everything he can possibly do to get called up (minus the homers but still slugging .484) including, most importantly, improving his plate discipline which was cited as the main reason he was sent down (22 walks to 27 K's). One argument with Maybin is service time. If they keep him down until September, he will probably avoid being a Super 2 thus delaying arbitration a season. He'd be around .130 or so days if I did the math right, and lately around 140 days is the cut off. He would shockingly cost the minimum 2010, 2011, and 2012, if they do that. He's already eligible for the playoff roster, so if they think they don't need him, might as well save the money in 2012. I'm really showing my ignorance here, but could you explain what a Super 2 is? I'd rather get it from someone knowledgeable on here, isntead of googling it. Thanks.
July 7, 200916 yr Kind of troubling to see Sanabia's K rate dropping with his stuff. It might just be an anomaly though. You can only draw so many conclusions when you don't see these guys play everyday. Hopefully he continues to get back on track after an atrocious June. You have to wonder how much longer they can keep Maybin in NO. He's done everything he can possibly do to get called up (minus the homers but still slugging .484) including, most importantly, improving his plate discipline which was cited as the main reason he was sent down (22 walks to 27 K's). One argument with Maybin is service time. If they keep him down until September, he will probably avoid being a Super 2 thus delaying arbitration a season. He'd be around .130 or so days if I did the math right, and lately around 140 days is the cut off. He would shockingly cost the minimum 2010, 2011, and 2012, if they do that. He's already eligible for the playoff roster, so if they think they don't need him, might as well save the money in 2012. I'm really showing my ignorance here, but could you explain what a Super 2 is? I'd rather get it from someone knowledgeable on here, isntead of googling it. Thanks. I'll try to make this as simple as possible. Every team controls a player for the first 6 years of their career. Years are not calendar years as in 2008 or 2009, years basically means service time. You determine a player's service time by the amount of days they are up with the club. Not games, which often causes confusion. There are 172 days in a major league season. So if you've been in the big leagues for 182 days, you have 1 year, 10 days service time. Often abbreviated as 1.010 service time. For your first three years of the six a club controls your rights, the club unilaterally renews the player's contract. This is almost always for near the MLB minimum salary. Currently, the minimum salary is right around $400,000. All rookies make this number, such as Sean West or Chris Coghlan. In years 2 and 3 of a career, the club typically gives the player a nominal raise, such as Pinto making $404k or Lindstrom $410k, just as a 'thank you for being you' sort of deal. In extraordinary circumstances, and to help with future bargaining, a team may tender a contract above the minimum. For instance, the classy St. Louis Cardinals gave Pujols $600k in year 2, and $900k in year 3 for being so awesome. When a player has amassed over 3 years of service time, they are eligible for arbitration. This basically means the player and team fight over contract price through binding arbitration. Settlements are common, but the main point is the player becomes extremely more expensive. Looking at the Marlins, in 2008 Uggla made around $400k, this year $5.3 million. Hermida $400k, this year $2.25 million. Nolasco $400k, this year $2.3 million. And so on. When thinking about future payroll, a team obviously wants to keep the player for the minimum as long as possible to avoid the pay day. This process happens again after 4 years of service team, and again after 5 years. Each time the player becoming more expensive. When a player reaches 6 years of service time, he is eligible for free agency. That is the basic primer on your club controlled years. Now the exception, Super 2 eligibility and it gets slightly confusing when first looking at it. First, a player must have over 2 years of service time to qualify (hence Super 2). Second, the player must be in the top 17% of playing time among all the players with over 2 years of service time. Lately, this is about 140 days of service time. If you are in this category, you are 'granted' an exception to arbitration and given a 4th arbitration year rather than a 3rd year at club controlled. I will use Maybin as the example. Maybin started 2009 with .058 days. (I am estimating all the numbers here as I am not counting game logs at the moment). He was up for 35 days before being optioned to AAA, so that gets tac'd on so now he's around 93 days. If the Marlins call him up right now, he's easily going to get another 80-90 days thus giving him a year of service time. So after 2010, he'd be at 2 years, and after 2011 at 3 years thus qualifying him for arbitration. So Maybin would making the minimum in 2010 and 2011, and then get paid in 2012. The Marlins would maintain Maybin's rights through the 2014 season. If the Marlins call him up August 1st, he'll get another 60 days of service time, giving him around 153 days. Not quite a year, but just under. Then he plays 2010 for the minimum, then he plays 2011 for the minimum. After 2011, he now has 2.153 days of service time. Guess what? SUPER 2. He has over 2 years of experience, and will qualify for the top 17% of second year players. He will be granted an arbitration year in 2012 despite not having 3 years of service time. If the Marlins call him up September 1st, he'll get another 35 days. So now Maybin plays 2010 for the minimum, 2011 for the minimum, and after 2011 he has 2.128 days of service time. It is LIKELY (it's never an exact science because the 17% of playing time fluctuates every year by a few days) Maybin will NOT qualify for Super 2. In this scenario, Maybin is then re-upped club controlled for 2012, and then he has his arbitration years 2013, 2014, and 2015. So basically, not only do you get him for 1 year cheaper, you also get him for 1 year more all together because he did not play enough in 2009. So you can see the drastic difference being called up in July versus September does with Maybin. For a team like the Marlins, it's important to think about the money impact down the road. To end, some other examples -Tampa kept David Price down in the minors until June for this exact reason. Price will not qualify for Super 2 now. He will be eligible for arbitration 2013. Rights through 2015. -Orioles did this with Matt Wieters. He will be arbitration eligible 2013. Rights through 2015. -Marlins did this with Chris Volstad last year. The Marlins will pay him the minimum 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011. And then control three arbitration years 2012-2014. It's really smart player management. Per the original comment, the Marlins have this opportunity with Maybin right now. They can basically 'screw' him out of playing time and get an extra year just by keeping him in the minors for the rest of July and August. Did that answer questions?
July 7, 200916 yr Author Daily Farm Reports -- 7/5 AAA -- New Orleans New Orleans 0, Iowa 1 Cameron Maybin - CF: 2-3, BB, SO Gaby Sanchez: DNP Jai Miller - RF: 1-3, BB, SO John Raynor - LF: 2-5 Brett Hayes - C: 1-4, 2B Rick VandenHurk: DNP Dallas Trahern: DNP AA -- Jacksonville Jacksonville 9, Mississippi 4 Mike Stanton - RF: 1-4, RBI, 2B, R, BB, SO Logan Morrison - 1B: 0-4, 2R, BB Scott Cousins - LF: 2-4, RBI, R, 2B, BB Bryan Peterson: DNP Kyle Winters: DNP Aaron Thompson: DNP Graham Taylor: DNP High A -- Jupiter Jupiter 4, St. Lucie 6 Matt Dominguez - 3B: 1-2, R, BB Kiko Calero - RP: IP, 0s across the board. Alejandro Sanabia: DNP Elih Villanueva: DNP Jeff Allison: DNP A -- Greensboro Greensboro 1, Lake County 5 Kyle Skipworth: DL Isaac Galloway - CF: 2-4, 2B, BB, SO Jake Smolinski - 3B: 2-4, R, 2 2B, BB Kyle Kaminska: DNP Brad Hand: DNP Low A -- Jamestown Jamestown 3, Mahoning Valley 4 Blake Brewer: DNP Curtis Petersen: DNP Gulf Coast League -- Marlins Marlins 3, Astros 6 Marquise Cooper - CF: 0-5, SO Olmos: DNP Hodges: DNP
July 7, 200916 yr Author Daily Farm Reports -- 7/6 AAA -- New Orleans New Orleans 0, Iowa 1 Cameron Maybin - CF: 2-3, BB, SO Gaby Sanchez: DNP Jai Miller - RF: 1-3, BB, SO John Raynor - LF: 2-5 Brett Hayes - C: 1-4, 2B Rick VandenHurk: DNP Dallas Trahern: DNP AA -- Jacksonville Jacksonville 9, Mississippi 4 Mike Stanton - RF: 1-4, RBI, 2B, R, BB, SO Logan Morrison - 1B: 0-4, 2R, BB Scott Cousins - LF: 2-4, RBI, R, 2B, BB Bryan Peterson: DNP Kyle Winters: DNP Aaron Thompson: DNP Graham Taylor: DNP High A -- Jupiter Jupiter 4, St. Lucie 6 Matt Dominguez - 3B: 1-2, R, BB Kiko Calero - RP: IP, 0s across the board. Alejandro Sanabia: DNP Elih Villanueva: DNP Jeff Allison: DNP A -- Greensboro Greensboro 1, Lake County 5 Kyle Skipworth: DL Isaac Galloway - CF: 2-4, 2B, BB, SO Jake Smolinski - 3B: 2-4, R, 2 2B, BB Kyle Kaminska: DNP Brad Hand: DNP Low A -- Jamestown Jamestown 3, Mahoning Valley 4 Blake Brewer: DNP Curtis Petersen: DNP Gulf Coast League -- Marlins Marlins 3, Astros 6 Marquise Cooper - CF: 0-5, SO Olmos: DNP Hodges: DNP
July 7, 200916 yr Author Another good game for Maybin. Also, shouldn't it be 7/06? To answer your question, Sorry, saw it and had to post it.
July 7, 200916 yr Thanks Lou, that sh!t was confusing, but I finally understand it now. BTW, when you said Maybin has .058 days, that is with the Tigers and Marlins, right?
July 7, 200916 yr Kind of troubling to see Sanabia's K rate dropping with his stuff. It might just be an anomaly though. You can only draw so many conclusions when you don't see these guys play everyday. Hopefully he continues to get back on track after an atrocious June. You have to wonder how much longer they can keep Maybin in NO. He's done everything he can possibly do to get called up (minus the homers but still slugging .484) including, most importantly, improving his plate discipline which was cited as the main reason he was sent down (22 walks to 27 K's). One argument with Maybin is service time. If they keep him down until September, he will probably avoid being a Super 2 thus delaying arbitration a season. He'd be around .130 or so days if I did the math right, and lately around 140 days is the cut off. He would shockingly cost the minimum 2010, 2011, and 2012, if they do that. He's already eligible for the playoff roster, so if they think they don't need him, might as well save the money in 2012. Sanabia is having a real nice year, and even a dip in K's really doesn't diminish the quality innings he's been throwing all year. Jax was always going to be the measuring stick. If this is the case, and the reasoning had entered my mind when people were debating whether to call up Coghlan, you would hope the reason they think they won't need Maybin is because of the acquisition of another impact bat. Otherwise I don't see how you can justify leaving a potentially contributing bat in the minors (in a playoff run) in order to salvage another sub 400k year in 2012. Granted that's always a concern with this team, but it didn't stop them from accelerating Coghlan's clock in what was offensive desperation at the time.
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