Official Edwin Rodriguez Thread

[Sirspud]

Most of us were suspecting this. I have no strong opinions on this really, although its great for him and I'm happy for him.

[Marlins2003]

It will be interesting to see if he assembles a new coaching staff.

[Fish Dynasty]

I think this means the FO has officially given up on this season.

[Puma]

This is embarrassing.

[Fishes on the Pond]

It was getting embarassing as it would be a week tomorrow and nothing done. They had to do something; the longer it went a long the more stupid they looked. That's my thoughts.

[LordMagnus]

I think this means the FO has officially given up on this season.

 

 

Bingo

[PhxPhin]

Radio guys are talking about this now

[Jags28]

Honestly this was the right way to go, this team is done this season and it's time to look on. Trade Uggla, Ross, and Cantu, maybe Helms and Nunez if teams are looking to fill their respective roles. Come winter see what we have and then hire a manager that best fits our future plans whether it's Valentine, Guillen, Wedge, or some other name. But yeah, this pretty much confirms that the FO has officially given up on 2010.

[YearOneMarlinFan]

Or at least it means Loria wasn't willing to promise to a Valentine-quality candidate that he wouldn't starting selling off.

[BafflingBeerman]

I don't think it means the FO has given up on the season, merely the manager search. If they couldn't find the man they wanted, why force a hire?

 

And yes, find may be synomous with pay.

[MrMarlinPride]

I don't mind, Bobby V is not the best manager and we have an entire offseason to hopefully get a good, creditable, experienced manager next season.

Edwin's done a good job so far so congrats to him on being able to manage an MLB team for half a season.

[DanUggla]

This is embarrassing.

 

 

Just in !!!! Video of our Front Office !

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wePMYM4av6Q

[Sirspud]

This is a move the FO might not have made right now if they were really still buying into this season. But the truth is, I'm not buying into this season that much either, at least not if it would come down to paying an inordinate amount of money for managerial candidates that might not be the best for this team long-term. My opinion is that even a great manager couldn't make the difference with this team, at the same time I could imagine them rallying beyond Rodriguez as well as they could rally around anyone else.

[BafflingBeerman]

Or at least it means Loria wasn't willing to promise to a Valentine-quality candidate that he wouldn't starting selling off.

 

 

And we know that was the sticking point how?

 

We've heard every reason as to why not: philosophical, money, staff.

 

Selling off is just another on a list of maybes

[fauowls44]

Bobby V probably asked what happens if they are 10+ games out in the next few weeks and was likely told they'd trade Uggla, Cantu, etc. He likely didn't want to deal with that scenerio in his first few weeks back in the majors so the deal fell apart. My guess is he's probably still a top candidate in the offseason.

[Sirspud]

Bobby V probably asked what happens if they are 10+ games out in the next few weeks and was likely told they'd trade Uggla, Cantu, etc. He likely didn't want to deal with that scenerio in his first few weeks back in the majors so the deal fell apart. My guess is he's probably still a top candidate in the offseason.

 

 

And from the organization's point of view, the money that they had put into Valentine for this season would be pretty much better saved if they had to concede the season anyway. If the team really is as bad as they have played, there's no reason not to trade some of the guys if good deals are being offered, and there's also no reason to pay top dollar for a manager if that process is going to be occurring.

[Erick]

You people overrate managers so much it's ridiculous. Good, I'm glad he's staying. At least there's some stability now. Doesn't matter who manages this team; the team isn't good enough. A manager can only do so much. To say the front office is giving up on the season because they left their interim manager in there is silly. The manager isn't going to single-handedly make or break a season. It's up to the players to start playing; judging from the reactions on the bench, he's actually well-liked by the players.

[fanofthefish]

It will be interesting to see if he assembles a new coaching staff.

 

I'm pretty sure he'll keep the staff up from the minors at this point, it does seem that the FO will pull the plug on the season soon.

[Sirspud]

I've actually been surprised at how well-spoken he has been in his recent interviews. When he was first hired I wasn't sure what to think of him, but recently he has said all of those things that I wanted to hear from a guy in his position. He definitely gets the big picture and he seems like he knows how and what to communicate to his players.

[YearOneMarlinFan]

Or at least it means Loria wasn't willing to promise to a Valentine-quality candidate that he wouldn't starting selling off.

 

 

And we know that was the sticking point how?

We've heard every reason as to why not: philosophical, money, staff.

 

Selling off is just another on a list of maybes

Because if Loria was determined to salvage the season he'd still be looking for a big name manager. Sure there may also have been other reasons that Valentine in particular didn't work out, but letting Rodriguez finish almost certainly means Loria couldn't promise any of the big name possibilities that he would stay the course past the trading deadline.

[Hammerhead]

Better than Bo Porter.

[Jags28]

You people overrate managers so much it's ridiculous. Good, I'm glad he's staying. At least there's some stability now. Doesn't matter who manages this team; the team isn't good enough. A manager can only do so much. To say the front office is giving up on the season because they left their interim manager in there is silly. The manager isn't going to single-handedly make or break a season. It's up to the players to start playing; judging from the reactions on the bench, he's actually well-liked by the players.

 

 

If they went out and got a permanent replacement such as a Valentine it would at the very least lend the impression that maybe the FO thought they still had a chance to contend. By leaving in a manager whose experience mostly comes from managing short A ball helps lend more to the notion that they're throwing in the towel. No one really thought a manager was going to make or break a season, but whatever move they made would give an idea on the FO's current evaluation of the season and I believe that's what all the comments are about here.

[Hammerhead]

I think this means the FO has officially given up on this season.

 

Why? With Valentine falling through and Showalter leaning O's, Edwin was actually the best choice unless you like Bo Porter. The guy's been in the system for eight years, he's a good baseball mind, has a good track record managing at other levels, etc. Everyone has to have a starting point and this is a great opportunity for him to get his feet wet this year then head in to next year with a clean slate.

 

This team is better than it's shown. I can think of at least 4-5 games we lost solely because of Fredi's bullpen management. If those games were managed by a completely neutral pen manager, neither good or bad, which I think Edwin has shown to be so far in his few games here, they could have easily been wins and we'd be three out instead of eight out. Like I said, great opportunity for the guy. I don't think this team needs the leadership of a Joe Torre in order to compete. With a few trades and a neutral manager which there is no reason to think Edwin can't be, this team could be in the playoffs provided the trades be made now. And I mean like this week now. If those trades for 6-7 inning pen guys aren't made, then I'd say the FO has thrown in the towel.

[Fishes on the Pond]

Better than Bo Porter.

 

 

I couldn't believe the Marlins would seriously consider Bo. Because Bo left the Marlins after turning down a contract, it makes me wonder if they low balled him hoping he would pass. I just wish Dave Collins would have stayed.

 

Loria made it sound that whoever came up as coaches will remain the rest of the year along with Edwin. Although I am not happy we didn't get a coach with major league experience, this gives Loria/Samson/FO time to really interview AFTER they determine the direction they want to head going into the new stadium. Hopefully they will have plans A, B, AND C.

[BafflingBeerman]

Or at least it means Loria wasn't willing to promise to a Valentine-quality candidate that he wouldn't starting selling off.

 

 

And we know that was the sticking point how?

We've heard every reason as to why not: philosophical, money, staff.

 

Selling off is just another on a list of maybes

Because if Loria was determined to salvage the season he'd still be looking for a big name manager. Sure there may also have been other reasons that Valentine in particular didn't work out, but letting Rodriguez finish almost certainly means Loria couldn't promise any of the big name possibilities that he would stay the course past the trading deadline.

 

As far as we heard, Bobby V was the only big name we considered, let alone interviewed. So we can't say what Loria may or may not have promised. So ever reason is possible. It was pretty much Bobby V or no one, so all those reasons are as valid as the rest. And you know what? For both sides they are not that scandalous: it makes sense that the front office wouldn't promise that the core would stay in tact if that core proved they could not win and Bobby V probably doesn't want to come in midseason and be worried about how to fill in the lineup card

 

No side is the villain here, at least until we get concrete reason as to why Bobby V fell through