Overhed Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=6044419 Fun to read. I'm not sure about Adam Dunn (and who the hell is Starlin Castro?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Find it odd that Dunn and Braun are on the list as underrated. Everyone surely knows what they bring to a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Gotta have that attendance slight.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Who is this Ryan Braun character? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsprt05 Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Gotta have that attendance slight.... haha....of course. They also take every opportunity to bash the history of the stadium's naming rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 There was a discussion on Reddit about this not too long ago. I claim, and have claimed for years, that Adam Dunn is the most underrated player in baseball. Starks basically made the argument I make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Gotta have that attendance slight.... haha....of course. They also take every opportunity to bash the history of the stadium's naming rights. Well, of course. It's the dumbest thing in sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Who is this Ryan Braun character? Yeah, that was puzzling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 There was a discussion on Reddit about this not too long ago. I claim, and have claimed for years, that Adam Dunn is the most underrated player in baseball. Starks basically made the argument I make. I don't see how someone who can't play 1B = underrated 1B. Underrated DH, sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 There was a discussion on Reddit about this not too long ago. I claim, and have claimed for years, that Adam Dunn is the most underrated player in baseball. Starks basically made the argument I make. He was just following your lead. Hell, ESPN is the best Rabbethan-Lead-Following network in the world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 There was a discussion on Reddit about this not too long ago. I claim, and have claimed for years, that Adam Dunn is the most underrated player in baseball. Starks basically made the argument I make. He was just following your lead. Hell, ESPN is the best Rabbethan-Lead-Following network in the world! BOYAH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Starlin Castro? That guy is terrible (and I mean TERRIBLE) at fielding baseballs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 I didn't read the article, but in my opinion, Ryan Zimmerman is the most underrated player in baseball. He consistently puts up solid offensive numbers and plays elite defense on top of that. And yet he rarely makes the All-Star team and nobody ever talks about him because he plays for a last place team. It's hard for me to defend Dunn when his WAR numbers are pretty uninspiring due to his poor defense. He might be the most underrated offensive player in the game, but not overall player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of the Past Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Castro is not underrated. Right now he's not even good. Dunn is a good player but is actually quite overrated. Braun is also a good player and he gets the credit he deserves. Zimmerman is very good but I wouldn't say he's underrated. From early on in his career he was getting accolades. I would say his first couple of years he was overrated but now he gets the credit he deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overhed Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Castro is not underrated. Right now he's not even good. Dunn is a good player but is actually quite overrated. Braun is also a good player and he gets the credit he deserves. Zimmerman is very good but I wouldn't say he's underrated. From early on in his career he was getting accolades. I would say his first couple of years he was overrated but now he gets the credit he deserves. TL;DR: no such thing as underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Castro had a .300 BA which was 10th in the league, sure but a .755 OPS which is bleh even for a rookie especially when you consider that away from Wrigley, he only hit .258 and OPSed .639. Then on top of that, he was a -12. Yeah, not underrated. If he wanted an underrated SS, the answer is Alexei Ramirez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Mike Stanton and Chris Coughlan. Annibal and Volstad Marlins for MLB all Underrated team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Mike Stanton and Chris Coughlan. Annibal and Volstad Marlins for MLB all Underrated team? under-performing, maybe. they were a sub-.500 team last year. we should be better this year, definitely. but we're in the same division as the Phillies :confused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Mike Stanton and Chris Coughlan. Annibal and Volstad Marlins for MLB all Underrated team? under-performing, maybe. they were a sub-.500 team last year. we should be better this year, definitely. but we're in the same division as the Phillies :confused Your sarcasm meter is broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 There was a discussion on Reddit about this not too long ago. I claim, and have claimed for years, that Adam Dunn is the most underrated player in baseball. Starks basically made the argument I make. I don't see how someone who can't play 1B = underrated 1B. Underrated DH, sure. I'd make the argument of Starks already hadn't. Castro had a .300 BA which was 10th in the league, sure but a .755 OPS which is bleh even for a rookie especially when you consider that away from Wrigley, he only hit .258 and OPSed .639. Then on top of that, he was a -12. Yeah, not underrated. If he wanted an underrated SS, the answer is Alexei Ramirez. Ain't nothing wrong with a 20-year-old shortstop with a .347 OBP. Do I think he should have been on the list (especially considering he was bad defensively)? No, but to say he was "bleh" or "not even good" is a bit of a pessimistic stretch. Also gotta love that Alexei had a .744 OPS and .313 OBP last year, lower than the guy you described as "bleh". He's 29 and hasn't had a season with an OBP nearly as good as Castro had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Mike Stanton and Chris Coughlan. Annibal and Volstad Marlins for MLB all Underrated team? under-performing, maybe. they were a sub-.500 team last year. we should be better this year, definitely. but we're in the same division as the Phillies :confused Not making excuses, because we definitely underperformed, but has anyone else realized that Bob Davidson literally made us a sub-.500 team with the one win he stole from us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 There was a discussion on Reddit about this not too long ago. I claim, and have claimed for years, that Adam Dunn is the most underrated player in baseball. Starks basically made the argument I make. I don't see how someone who can't play 1B = underrated 1B. Underrated DH, sure. I'd make the argument of Starks already hadn't. Castro had a .300 BA which was 10th in the league, sure but a .755 OPS which is bleh even for a rookie especially when you consider that away from Wrigley, he only hit .258 and OPSed .639. Then on top of that, he was a -12. Yeah, not underrated. If he wanted an underrated SS, the answer is Alexei Ramirez. Ain't nothing wrong with a 20-year-old shortstop with a .347 OBP. Do I think he should have been on the list (especially considering he was bad defensively)? No, but to say he was "bleh" or "not even good" is a bit of a pessimistic stretch. Also gotta love that Alexei had a .744 OPS and .313 OBP last year, lower than the guy you described as "bleh". He's 29 and hasn't had a season with an OBP nearly as good as Castro had. +9 and he hits HRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbethan Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 There was a discussion on Reddit about this not too long ago. I claim, and have claimed for years, that Adam Dunn is the most underrated player in baseball. Starks basically made the argument I make. I don't see how someone who can't play 1B = underrated 1B. Underrated DH, sure. I'd make the argument of Starks already hadn't. Castro had a .300 BA which was 10th in the league, sure but a .755 OPS which is bleh even for a rookie especially when you consider that away from Wrigley, he only hit .258 and OPSed .639. Then on top of that, he was a -12. Yeah, not underrated. If he wanted an underrated SS, the answer is Alexei Ramirez. Ain't nothing wrong with a 20-year-old shortstop with a .347 OBP. Do I think he should have been on the list (especially considering he was bad defensively)? No, but to say he was "bleh" or "not even good" is a bit of a pessimistic stretch. Also gotta love that Alexei had a .744 OPS and .313 OBP last year, lower than the guy you described as "bleh". He's 29 and hasn't had a season with an OBP nearly as good as Castro had. +9 and he hits HRs. He doesn't hit enough HRs to negate how horrifically bad he is at getting on base. As far as hitting goes, he's like Mike Jacobs at SS. Yes, he can field, but all in all him and Starlin are probably worth the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Mike Stanton and Chris Coughlan. Annibal and Volstad Marlins for MLB all Underrated team? under-performing, maybe. they were a sub-.500 team last year. we should be better this year, definitely. but we're in the same division as the Phillies :confused Not making excuses, because we definitely underperformed, but has anyone else realized that Bob Davidson literally made us a sub-.500 team with the one win he stole from us? is Bob Davidson that cocksucking ump from that (i believe) Phillies game? also, have you seen this strike-zone chart from Halladay's perfect game? WOW. bulls*** x 1,000. i'll pull that up tomorrow. i gotta pass out right about now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 has anyone else realized that Bob Davidson literally made us a sub-.500 team with the one win he stole from us? Yeah, probably many of us have, but it really was just a stick in the eye at the end of a mediocre year and will fade into "them's the rules" trivia. I look at this this way. 2010 resulted in the FO refusing to overpay for Uggla (good riddance to his so-so defense and miscellaneous brain-farts.) 2010 resulted in the FO figuring out that the BP needed serious help. 2010 resulted in the FO getting Perry Hill back. 2010 resulted in the FO picking up Buck and Vasquez. 2010 also resulted in getting rid of Ross. Now Ross, who after claiming that he wanted to play forever for the Marlins, claimed to want to play forever for the Giants and only got a one-year deal for '11. Next thing you know, after an entire year of his usual mediocre play in '11 he'll probably be elsewhere in '12 and bad-mouthing the Giants. "Yeah, they gave me away by not signing me long-term, I'm invaluable." :lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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