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Cubs at 82. :lol

 

Mets at 84. :lol :lol

 

 

 

Are you saying the Cubs can't win 82 games? Because I actually think they'll exceed that.

 

Also pretty hilarious how the White Sox are only projected for 79. They're a much better team than that.

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Cubs at 82. :lol

 

Mets at 84. :lol :lol

 

 

 

Are you saying the Cubs can't win 82 games? Because I actually think they'll exceed that.

 

Also pretty hilarious how the White Sox are only projected for 79. They're a much better team than that.

Can they? Sure. Will they? I doubt it. I don't like their bullpen at all (minus Marmol), I don't like Garza in Wrigley at all, they have no 2B, they have arguably the worst defensive SS in the game who only hit for a good average last year because he is fast and had 100 singles (out of 139 hits), and if one of their OFers gets hurt which is bound to happen to Soriano or Byrd, they'll be relying on Tyler Colvin who, although he was good last year, is a question mark. It just seems like a team with very bad depth. I'd put them around 75-80 wins.

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Cubs at 82. :lol

 

Mets at 84. :lol :lol

 

 

 

Are you saying the Cubs can't win 82 games? Because I actually think they'll exceed that.

 

Also pretty hilarious how the White Sox are only projected for 79. They're a much better team than that.

Can they? Sure. Will they? I doubt it. I don't like their bullpen at all (minus Marmol), I don't like Garza in Wrigley at all, they have no 2B, they have arguably the worst defensive SS in the game, and if one of their OFers gets hurt which is bound to happen to Soriano or Byrd, they'll be relying on Tyler Colvin who, although he was good last year, is a question mark. I'd put them around 75-80 wins.

 

 

Kerry Wood and Sean Marshall aren't bad pitchers. Andrew Cashner has plenty of upside. Their bullpen is arguably better than the all-great Brewers team that everyone seems to love this offseason.

 

Their lineup has the makings of being pretty good, and I think Garza is fine. He was fine in the AL East; I don't see why he wouldn't be fine in the much weaker NL Central. Ryan Dempster has been one of the most underrated pitchers in the game the last three years. Zambrano went 8-0 with a 1.58 ERA/1.27 WHIP in the 2nd half last year.

 

I think there's plenty of upside on that team, especially in that division. As far as I'm concerned, every team in the NL Central has its fair share of question marks. The Cubs could win that division.

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Its arguable that every team but the Pirates have a legitimate shot at the Central. It will come down to who has the best trade deadline and who can stay the most healthy, as the other 5 clubs should be fairly all clumped together.

 

 

 

The Astros don't have a good team, either. They're much closer to the Pirates than they are to the other four teams in the division.

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Its arguable that every team but the Pirates have a legitimate shot at the Central. It will come down to who has the best trade deadline and who can stay the most healthy, as the other 5 clubs should be fairly all clumped together.

 

bunk.

the Reds + Brewers will be clumped together. the rest of the division will be irrelevant

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Its arguable that every team but the Pirates have a legitimate shot at the Central. It will come down to who has the best trade deadline and who can stay the most healthy, as the other 5 clubs should be fairly all clumped together.

 

bunk.

the Reds + Brewers will be clumped together. the rest of the division will be irrelevant

 

 

I think they'd be the clear division winners if they got their heads out of their asses, and let Chapman start. At least experiment with it in Spring Training, like Texas is doing with Neftali Feliz.

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I disagree. The Cubs have a good team, with a mix of youth and experience.

 

The Astros, if they get a bounce back year from Cliff Lee and Bill Hall, can contend.

 

The Cardinals are missing Wainwright but still have a pretty good lineup, with a 3-4-5 of Pujols, Holiday, and Rasmus and good pitching staff.

 

The Reds have a glutton of SP already(Bailey, Cueto, Leake, Wood, Arroyo, Volsquez) any combination of which makes a good rotation and Chapman is still a 2 pitch pitcher.

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The Astros, if they get a bounce back year from Cliff Lee and Bill Hall, can contend.

 

 

I agree 100%. If Houston found some creative way to pick up Lee from the Phillies, they definitely have a chance to contend. Maybe even without Bill Hall. Maybe the Phils would take Lee for Hall straight up?

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I disagree. The Cubs have a good team, with a mix of youth and experience.

 

The Astros, if they get a bounce back year from Cliff Lee and Bill Hall, can contend.

 

The Cardinals are missing Wainwright but still have a pretty good lineup, with a 3-4-5 of Pujols, Holiday, and Rasmus and good pitching staff.

 

The Reds have a glutton of SP already(Bailey, Cueto, Leake, Wood, Arroyo, Volsquez) any combination of which makes a good rotation and Chapman is still a 2 pitch pitcher.

 

 

 

I never mentioned the Cardinals and Reds in my argument so I'm not sure why you brought them up.

 

Second, it's Carlos Lee, not Cliff Lee. Huge difference. Also, Bill Hall is not a difference maker, by any means. At least not a good starter, really. Not sure what you're talking about. The last time Bill Hall was as good as you're making him out to be was back in 2006. He's not really a guy I'd expect to make a huge difference in a divisional race.

 

As for the Chapman debate, you can get by with two pitches when you're throwing 100 with a nasty slider. Plenty of power pitchers get by using two pitches, for the most part. Simply put, it's really dumb to just put Chapman in the pen to maybe throw the 8th inning, or maybe get a lefty out. That's dumb. The guy has the potential to be an ace. He's the type of guy you want maximizing his potential.

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nice to see.... but then it also has the Yanks at 94 wins, the Mets at 84 (ahead of the Braves), and the Reds at 80 wins (behind the Cardinals + Cubs)

very screwy

 

regardless, LETS GO WILDCARD!

 

http://www.fangraphs...standings-2011/

 

 

What is this, a web site from an alternate reality?

 

 

Is this the same year where Chicago beats Miami in the world series?

 

 

...Something about time traveling?

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Its not stupid at all with Chapman. Including him, the Reds have 8 legitimate options for the rotation. They have some good BP arms but nothing at the back end. Let him flourish in that role while he adjusts to the majors, getting time, and adding to his repertoire.

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Its not stupid at all with Chapman. Including him, the Reds have 8 legitimate options for the rotation. They have some good BP arms but nothing at the back end. Let him flourish in that role while he adjusts to the majors, getting time, and adding to his repertoire.

 

 

 

1. No, they don't.

2. The value of a top of the rotation starter > value of a good reliever. It's foolish to not even consider the idea of starting Chapman this year. It's an experiment that can be tried in Spring Training, sending him back to the pen if it doesn't work.

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alright. here's another piece from Fangraphs.

this one's actually a long well written piece: a "team preview" for the Fish.

makes it sound like we have a legitimate shot at the WC.

 

http://www.fangraphs...lorida-marlins/

 

I think it's going to come down to us, ATL, and the Reds/Brewers...

 

WILDCARD!

 

 

 

Don't forget the teams out West; it should be a good race this year.

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Its not stupid at all with Chapman. Including him, the Reds have 8 legitimate options for the rotation. They have some good BP arms but nothing at the back end. Let him flourish in that role while he adjusts to the majors, getting time, and adding to his repertoire.

 

 

 

1. No, they don't.

2. The value of a top of the rotation starter > value of a good reliever. It's foolish to not even consider the idea of starting Chapman this year. It's an experiment that can be tried in Spring Training, sending him back to the pen if it doesn't work.

Yes, they do. Cueto, Arroyo, Bailey, Leake, Maloney, LeCure, Volquez, Wood, and Chapman(I had actually forgotten LeCure the first time, so its actually 9 including Chapman). Even without Chapman, they have a pretty good rotation, with Cueto/Arroyo/Bailey/Leake/Wood-which I assume it will be to start the year. Their bullpen isnt as strong, especially at late in the game. Onderusk and Masset are the only ones there that are truly projectable. And once again, Chapman only has 2 effective pitches and has been used primarily as a reliever ever since signing with the Reds, even in the International League.

 

Why experiment with something that is completely unnecessary at this point in time? Let him work on his control issues and having more than 1.5 effective pitches(trouble locating his slider at times). The Reds do not need him to be a starter this year.

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alright. here's another piece from Fangraphs.

this one's actually a long well written piece: a "team preview" for the Fish.

makes it sound like we have a legitimate shot at the WC.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/team-preview-florida-marlins/

 

I think it's going to come down to us, ATL, and the Reds/Brewers...

 

WILDCARD!

 

 

I think I will just start out the season cheering us on to take the division. I'm not giving the Phillies the division just because of their front 4, like all of the experts are saying. I have read that those 4 are a combined 15-13 vs us with an ERA near 3.50. Not overly impressive, by any means. I'm not going to give into all the hype. At least not yet.

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Its not stupid at all with Chapman. Including him, the Reds have 8 legitimate options for the rotation. They have some good BP arms but nothing at the back end. Let him flourish in that role while he adjusts to the majors, getting time, and adding to his repertoire.

 

 

 

1. No, they don't.

2. The value of a top of the rotation starter > value of a good reliever. It's foolish to not even consider the idea of starting Chapman this year. It's an experiment that can be tried in Spring Training, sending him back to the pen if it doesn't work.

Yes, they do. Cueto, Arroyo, Bailey, Leake, Maloney, LeCure, Volquez, Wood, and Chapman(I had actually forgotten LeCure the first time, so its actually 9 including Chapman). Even without Chapman, they have a pretty good rotation, with Cueto/Arroyo/Bailey/Leake/Wood-which I assume it will be to start the year. Their bullpen isnt as strong, especially at late in the game. Onderusk and Masset are the only ones there that are truly projectable. And once again, Chapman only has 2 effective pitches and has been used primarily as a reliever ever since signing with the Reds, even in the International League.

 

Why experiment with something that is completely unnecessary at this point in time? Let him work on his control issues and having more than 1.5 effective pitches(trouble locating his slider at times). The Reds do not need him to be a starter this year.

 

 

So Chapman doesn't get a chance to start because of the other unspectacular pitchers you just mentioned? There's nothing "legitimate" about the majority of those names. The majority of those guys shouldn't even be guaranteed spots in big league rotations, at the moment. Look at their resume's.

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No offense, but Chapman doesnt exactly have a glaring resume either.

 

Cueto and Arroyo are guaranteed spots. Volquez probably is as well, along with Bailey. All have front line stuff with the exception of Arroyo. Leake and Wood both have alot of upside, as well.

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No offense, but Chapman doesnt exactly have a glaring resume either.

 

Cueto and Arroyo are guaranteed spots. Volquez probably is as well, along with Bailey. All have front line stuff with the exception of Arroyo. Leake and Wood both have alot of upside, as well.

 

 

 

Which is my point.

Cueto and Arroyo are the only ones who should be guaranteed spots at this point; why not let Chapman compete with the other guys for one of the rotation spots? He's just as talented and probably has more potential than any of the names on the list.

 

Volquez has been hurt the last two years and has had terrible control issues; Bailey shouldn't be a lock by any means.

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Chapman only has 2 pitches and has control issues of his own. He has very few innings against MLB offenses. This happens with pitchers all the f***ing time, this is how they are brought along. When a guy is coming at you with nothing but a fastball 98% of the time, he is eventually going to get rocked, I dont care what speed it is.

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