June 3, 201115 yr Author This injury is virtually as foreseeable as the year rounding first. Both are known occupational hazards. That another person was the direct cause only creates a scapegoat for Posey, but doesn't substantively distinguish them, except that it gives Posey some leeway maybe to be upset. I think it's fast approaching the time to quit whining to the media, though. And Sabean is obviously out of bounds. How much whining is Posey himself actually doing? Doesn't seem to be much aside from not returning Cousins' message, which, while childish, is whatever. I unfairly implied that he was (you're right), but I didn't intend to. I just meant that if he is, it would be time to stop. If he's not, then fine. From a personal standpoint of experiencing severe leg injuries, I don't think it's childish whatsoever. Physical problems can become mental problems rather easily; I've lost a fair share of friends actually due to ignorant statements like this. This isn't a little minor boo-boo; it's a severe injury that will probably affect him for the rest of his life. I'm not trying to say you're ignorant; it just kinda pisses me off when people shrug stuff like this off when they've probably never experienced something anywhere near this. I probably wouldn't take Cousins phone call, either. And if I did accept an apology, my apology acceptance would probably be fake, so who cares anyway? If anything, Cousins should move on, too. His play was within the rules, was unfortunate, he tried to apologize, and that's all he can do. At this point, both sides should stop talking about it.
June 3, 201115 yr Updated Jun 3, 2011 4:18 PM ET MIAMI Florida Marlins outfielder Scott Cousins fired back Friday at the harsh criticism leveled at him by Giants general manager Brian Sabean over last week's home plate collision that left star catcher Buster Posey with a broken leg. Sabean said Thursday on a San Francisco radio station that he believed Cousins acted maliciously in running into Posey, which knocked the 2010 NL Rookie of the Year out for the rest of the season. According to South Florida's Sun-Sentinel, Cousins reiterated Friday that he in no way intended to hurt Posey on the play, which occurred May 25 as Cousins ran home with the go-ahead run in extra innings of a 7-6 Marlins win. "I hope and believe that Mr. Sabean's comments were made in the heat of the moment and are based more on his fondness for Buster Posey than on any animosity towards me," Cousins said through his agent, Matt Sosnick. "This situation is still an open wound for many, including myself. As I have stated previously, nobody outside of Buster feels worse about his injury than I do. I have reached out to Buster to let him know how badly I feel about his being injured during our collision at home plate." Cousins added that he believes the play was clean, and said he does not intend to comment further on the matter. Sosnick also said Friday that Cousins has received death threats since the play, according to USA Today. "If I never hear from Cousins again or he never plays another game in the big leagues, I think we'll all be happy," Sabean said on KNBR Thursday. "He chose to be a hero, in my mind, and if that's his flash of fame, that's as good as it's going to get, pal. We'll have a long memory." According to ESPN, MLB vice president of baseball operations Joe Torre was planning to call Sabean Friday to talk to him about the remarks.
June 3, 201115 yr This injury is virtually as foreseeable as the year rounding first. Both are known occupational hazards. That another person was the direct cause only creates a scapegoat for Posey, but doesn't substantively distinguish them, except that it gives Posey some leeway maybe to be upset. I think it's fast approaching the time to quit whining to the media, though. And Sabean is obviously out of bounds. How much whining is Posey himself actually doing? Doesn't seem to be much aside from not returning Cousins' message, which, while childish, is whatever. I unfairly implied that he was (you're right), but I didn't intend to. I just meant that if he is, it would be time to stop. If he's not, then fine. From what I've seen, he's given like one interview on it, and this was what he said about the play: (What do you remember from the play?) “I just remember the way the ball was hit, I figured there would be a play at the plate, especially with Nate’s good arm, and I just remember almost feeling I went to my right a little to catch the ball and it skid on the grass. I tried to come back toward the plate and he (Cousins) was on top of me. That’s pretty much all I can remember.� (Have you watched the replay and what do you think – clean hit or not?) “Yes, I have watched the replay. … Well, I mean, I think with today’s game, I think it … I don’t think he did anything illegal. So yeah, it’s kind of … I don’t know, it’s a tough one to answer. He didn’t do anything illegal, but looking at the replay, I think there was probably a lane to slide.� “I want to make this very clear: I don’t know Cousins, I’m not out to villify Cousins in any way whatsoever. It happened and it’s over with. But the main point I want to get across is a play like that is something that’s gotta be looked at by Major League Baseball and the Major League Baseball Players’ Association because, and this might sound dumb, but I feel fortunate I’ve just got a torn up leg. As a catcher, you’re left in a very exposed position when you catch the ball and have a guy bearing down on you as hard as he can. I’m fortunate I didn’t come away with a neck injury or a spinal injury. It’s tough to be in a good position when the play happens so fast.� (So you are speaking in general about plays like this?) “I just mean in general. That’s something that’s been up for debate. I think you can ask a lot of catchers. You’re exposed. And to make it clear, I’m not saying that specific play. I’m saying all plays in general. If you’re completely in front of the plate, camped out, the runner doesn’t have a choice. But I feel Cousins had a choice to slide or come at me, and he came directly at me.� (Have you talked to Cousins?) “I haven’t talked to him. I know he called the first night to check in. but I haven’t talked to him.� (Will you?) “I don’t know if it really matters. If it’s something that would make him feel better … I can imagine if I was on the other end, that would be just about as difficult to know that a play you were involved in has more than likely put somebody out for the rest of the year. But again, I’m kind of indifferent, I guess.� Doesn't sound to me like he's the whiny little bitchy girl that everyone here is painting him as. He's upset, but he's not even really angry at Cousins. He's just upset about the situation and doesn't see what an apology from Cousins would accomplish. The only person here who is out of line is Sabean. Everyone else's actions and responses are pretty much 100% understandable.
June 3, 201115 yr If anything, Cousins should move on, too. His play was within the rules, was unfortunate, he tried to apologize, and that's all he can do. At this point, both sides should stop talking about it. Cousins is TRYING to move on. It's been 10 days, Sabean comes back out and starts saying sh*t, if Cousins doesn't fire back to him (and he did so very professionally, he didn't say anything negative at Sabean) people will call him a coward. Scott has done everything he can do, I agree. He's defending himself at this point and can do nothing more. I respect the fact he's defending himself.
June 3, 201115 yr Author Really, the only dumbass in this situation is Sabean. If anything, LoMo's said dumber things than Posey.
June 3, 201115 yr Really, the only dumbass in this situation is Sabean. If anything, LoMo's said dumber things than Posey. Logan's also defending his team mate. I'd do the same. Maybe a little more thought out but still.
June 3, 201115 yr Evidently, Brian Sabean has forgotten the final play of the 2003 NL Division Series, when the Giants' J.T. Snow barreled into Marlins catcher Ivan “Pudge� Rodriguez, trying to dislodge the ball. Evidently, Sabean is unaware of the argument that the Giants’ Buster Posey had his feet in the wrong position, leaving himself vulnerable to his season-ending hit by the Marlins' Scott Cousins. Evidently, Sabean is suffering from a baseball form of post-traumatic stress disorder. Everyone who loves the sport is upset by Posey’s injury. Lots of us believe Cousins' hit was misguided. But the Giants general manager went too far Thursday when, in an interview with San Francisco radio station KNBR, he wished for the end of Cousins' career. “If I never hear from Cousins again and he never plays another game in the big leagues, I think we'll all be happy,� Sabean said. This was not some knucklehead talk-show caller calling for revenge. This was the general manager of the defending World Series champions, the longest-tenured GM in the sport, sounding almost like an aggrieved mobster. “(Cousins) chose to be a hero in my mind, and if that's his flash of fame, that's as good as it's going to get, pal,� Sabean said. “We'll have a long memory. “Believe me, we're talking to (former catcher) Mike Matheny about how this game works. You can't be that out-and-out overly aggressive. I'll put it as politically as I can state it: There's no love lost and there shouldn't be.� I could maybe understand Sabean's reaction if it occurred in the heat of the moment — the night of Posey's injury or even the day after. But eight days later? Sabean had plenty of time to sort through his emotions. Instead, he further inflamed the matter as the Giants prepare to host the Rockies this weekend in an important NL West showdown (MLB on FOX, Saturday, 4 p.m. ET). Commissioner Bud Selig can't be happy with Sabean. The umpires for the remaining Giants-Marlins series — a three-game set in Miami from Aug. 12-14 — might as well issue warnings now. MLB, WWE, it's all starting to sound the same. I've got no problem with the Giants being upset. I've got no problem with manager Bruce Bochy lobbying for a change in rules. Baseball should better protect its catchers, not because it was Posey, the reigning NL Rookie of the Year, who got hurt, but because it's the right thing to do. MLB on FOX's Tim McCarver had a good suggestion — a base runner who hits a catcher near the head should automatically be ejected and fined, his run taken off the board. FOXSports.com's Jon Paul Morosi also had a sound proposal — a base runner should be called out if he initiates contact with a catcher who is not blocking the plate. Cousins might have been called out under the McCarver Rule. He certainly would have been called out under the Morosi Rule. But it is wrong to demonize Cousins for a play that was not outside the present rules, a play that even some Giants said was clean, a play that required an instinctive, split-second base-running decision in the 12th inning of a tie game. Posey set up in front of home plate, leaving Cousins a lane in which to slide. In retrospect, Cousins should have used that lane. But that's easy for others to say. Cousins, 26, is a fringe outfielder who is trying to stick in the majors. He did not mean to injure Posey. To call his hit “malicious,� the word Sabean used on KNBR, is overstating his intent considerably. Ask Snow, the former Giants player who tried to take out Rodriguez in '03. Like Cousins, Snow simply was trying to help his team win a game. “The play was clean,� Snow, a part-time coach with the Giants, told the San Francisco Chronicle. “Remember, too, that as soon as Buster went down on one knee, he was in a position to get hit.� Marlins catcher John Buck told reporters a catcher is taught to keep his left foot straight up the foul line as a throw approaches, then shift his body to the left. Posey did not position himself in such fashion. His injuries were awful — a broken left fibula and torn ankle ligaments that required surgery. Sabean called it a “horrific experience,� one that Posey is struggling with psychologically. Yet, a good number of people within the sport believe what happened to Posey is part of the game. I disagree; I want the game to evolve and Posey's misfortune to be a catalyst for change. Sabean's comments, rather than add to the discussion, distracted from it. Leave Cousins alone. Fight the proper fight. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/g...-injury-060211 Ken Rosenthal with a sound, rational, sober case.
June 3, 201115 yr Really, the only dumbass in this situation is Sabean. If anything, LoMo's said dumber things than Posey. #Marlins Logan Morrison said if the #Giants want to throw at somebody to get retribution for Buster Posey "throw at me." Lomo's teetering over the line between brave, honorable teammate and stupid right now. He's a reporter's dream, though.
June 3, 201115 yr This is completely ridiculous and being blown entirely out of proportion. If they wanted to retaliate they should have done so during the third game. But God, to do nothing and then just complain and complain makes them look not only whiney, but also pathetic. Add to the fact that other Giants players have already come out and said the play legit. I mean, what are they doing? What is their end game? Also, LoMo is really freaking funny. I like that he's been defending Cousins.
June 3, 201115 yr Author Really, the only dumbass in this situation is Sabean. If anything, LoMo's said dumber things than Posey. #Marlins Logan Morrison said if the #Giants want to throw at somebody to get retribution for Buster Posey "throw at me." Lomo's teetering over the line between brave, honorable teammate and stupid right now. He's a reporter's dream, though. I don't really have a problem with that last one. Clearly, they're going to retaliate...or so they say. Since they seem so intent on doing it, I see it as LoMo saying: "fine, don't hit any of my teammates; just throw at me." Whatever. The whole thing is pretty stupid. Reminds me of middle school.
June 3, 201115 yr Really, the only dumbass in this situation is Sabean. If anything, LoMo's said dumber things than Posey. #Marlins Logan Morrison said if the #Giants want to throw at somebody to get retribution for Buster Posey "throw at me." Lomo's teetering over the line between brave, honorable teammate and stupid right now. He's a reporter's dream, though. I don't really have a problem with that last one. Clearly, they're going to retaliate...or so they say. Since they seem so intent on doing it, I see it as LoMo saying: "fine, don't hit any of my teammates; just throw at me." Whatever. The whole thing is pretty stupid. Reminds me of middle school. He was chastizing the Giants, Posey, and Sabean for being "immature and unprofessional" and then says that half an hour later. That is also immature and unprofessional. I get standing up for your teammates, but it's a bit silly, and I can't imagine the higher ups are thrilled that he's escalating it. It's a schoolyard dare. "Come on, tough guy, do it." It's immature.
June 3, 201115 yr Posey's a victim only as far as his leg is concerned. The fact that he's acknowledged that if he'd been in Cousins' position, he'd want a call returned and that he is indifferent about calling Cousins makes him a douche, regardless of what state he's in. It leads me to believe he thinks he's got a reason to be a dick to Cousins just because he got injured. People who are unintentionally wronged and yet go on to purposely make the person who wronged them feel terrible are the worst.
June 3, 201115 yr Posey's a victim only as far as his leg is concerned. The fact that he's acknowledged that if he'd been in Cousins' position, he'd want a call returned and that he is indifferent about calling Cousins makes him a douche, regardless of what state he's in. It leads me to believe he thinks he's got a reason to be a dick to Cousins just because he got injured. People who are unintentionally wronged and yet go on to purposely make the person who wronged them feel terrible are the worst. When did he do that? Whe he said was he imagines it'd be difficult to be in Cousins' position. He never says anything about how he'd act or how he'd expect someone else to act in that situation, unless you are looking at a different interview. All he's doing is not returning a phone call. He's not attacking Cousins, he's not saying he's dirty, he's not complaining constantly. He just doesn't see what can be accomplished from calling Cousins other than making Cousins feel better which, let's be honest, shouldn't be any of his concern. It'd be one thing if he was going out of his way to criticize Cousins and blame him and demonizing him and all that, but he's not. He's not going out of his way to make Cousins look worse or feel worse. I think he's more than allowed to not call Cousins back as long as he's not attacking him.
June 3, 201115 yr Author Posey's a victim only as far as his leg is concerned. The fact that he's acknowledged that if he'd been in Cousins' position, he'd want a call returned and that he is indifferent about calling Cousins makes him a douche, regardless of what state he's in. It leads me to believe he thinks he's got a reason to be a dick to Cousins just because he got injured. People who are unintentionally wronged and yet go on to purposely make the person who wronged them feel terrible are the worst. Did he even say that? As for the rest, it's pretty ignorant.
June 3, 201115 yr Posey's a victim only as far as his leg is concerned. The fact that he's acknowledged that if he'd been in Cousins' position, he'd want a call returned and that he is indifferent about calling Cousins makes him a douche, regardless of what state he's in. It leads me to believe he thinks he's got a reason to be a dick to Cousins just because he got injured. People who are unintentionally wronged and yet go on to purposely make the person who wronged them feel terrible are the worst. When did he do that? Whe he said was he imagines it'd be difficult to be in Cousins' position. He never says anything about how he'd act or how he'd expect someone else to act in that situation, unless you are looking at a different interview. All he's doing is not returning a phone call. He's not attacking Cousins, he's not saying he's dirty, he's not complaining constantly. He just doesn't see what can be accomplished from calling Cousins other than making Cousins feel better which, let's be honest, shouldn't be any of his concern. It'd be one thing if he was going out of his way to criticize Cousins and blame him and demonizing him and all that, but he's not. He's not going out of his way to make Cousins look worse or feel worse. I think he's more than allowed to not call Cousins back as long as he's not attacking him. Maybe I worded it wrong. But yea, i was referring to that bit. He understands how Cousins feels and that he'd feel terrible as well. He also believes that Cousins didn't do it out of malice. I don't understand how someone just ignores how the other guy is feeling just because he feels worse. That's being an ass. It's his responsibility as much as it was Cousins' to apologize. The victim doesn't get immunity from bring wrong here.
June 3, 201115 yr Posey's a victim only as far as his leg is concerned. The fact that he's acknowledged that if he'd been in Cousins' position, he'd want a call returned and that he is indifferent about calling Cousins makes him a douche, regardless of what state he's in. It leads me to believe he thinks he's got a reason to be a dick to Cousins just because he got injured. People who are unintentionally wronged and yet go on to purposely make the person who wronged them feel terrible are the worst. Did he even say that? As for the rest, it's pretty ignorant. In what way? Just because you say you've dealt with something like this doesn't make you a full-out authority on how people should act in similar situations. When someone is hurt unintentionally and the other guy feels terrible, you should have the courtesy to accept an apology and return the phone call. Otherwise, you're a jerk who feels entitled to act like an ass because something bad happened to you.
June 3, 201115 yr Posey's a victim only as far as his leg is concerned. The fact that he's acknowledged that if he'd been in Cousins' position, he'd want a call returned and that he is indifferent about calling Cousins makes him a douche, regardless of what state he's in. It leads me to believe he thinks he's got a reason to be a dick to Cousins just because he got injured. People who are unintentionally wronged and yet go on to purposely make the person who wronged them feel terrible are the worst. When did he do that? Whe he said was he imagines it'd be difficult to be in Cousins' position. He never says anything about how he'd act or how he'd expect someone else to act in that situation, unless you are looking at a different interview. All he's doing is not returning a phone call. He's not attacking Cousins, he's not saying he's dirty, he's not complaining constantly. He just doesn't see what can be accomplished from calling Cousins other than making Cousins feel better which, let's be honest, shouldn't be any of his concern. It'd be one thing if he was going out of his way to criticize Cousins and blame him and demonizing him and all that, but he's not. He's not going out of his way to make Cousins look worse or feel worse. I think he's more than allowed to not call Cousins back as long as he's not attacking him. Maybe I worded it wrong. But yea, i was referring to that bit. He understands how Cousins feels and that he'd feel terrible as well. He also believes that Cousins didn't do it out of malice. I don't understand how someone just ignores how the other guy is feeling just because he feels worse. That's being an ass. It's his responsibility as much as it was Cousins' to apologize. The victim doesn't get immunity from bring wrong here. All he's doing is not returning a phone call, and he's being an ass? He obviously understands why Cousins feels bad, but he doesn't think talking to him will accomplish anything. It'd be one thing if he was going after Cousins, but he's not. He just didn't return a phone call. It's a non-action. Why does he owe it to Cousins to make him feel better?
June 3, 201115 yr In what way? Just because you say you've dealt with something like this doesn't make you a full-out authority on how people should act in similar situations. When someone is hurt unintentionally and the other guy feels terrible, you should have the courtesy to accept an apology and return the phone call. Otherwise, you're a jerk who feels entitled to act like an ass because something bad happened to you. Why are you an authority on how people should act in these situations anymore than Erick is?
June 3, 201115 yr Author Posey's a victim only as far as his leg is concerned. The fact that he's acknowledged that if he'd been in Cousins' position, he'd want a call returned and that he is indifferent about calling Cousins makes him a douche, regardless of what state he's in. It leads me to believe he thinks he's got a reason to be a dick to Cousins just because he got injured. People who are unintentionally wronged and yet go on to purposely make the person who wronged them feel terrible are the worst. Did he even say that? As for the rest, it's pretty ignorant. In what way? Just because you say you've dealt with something like this doesn't make you a full-out authority on how people should act in similar situations. When someone is hurt unintentionally and the other guy feels terrible, you should have the courtesy to accept an apology and return the phone call. Otherwise, you're a jerk who feels entitled to act like an ass because something bad happened to you. What, exactly, does that accomplish?
June 3, 201115 yr In what way? Just because you say you've dealt with something like this doesn't make you a full-out authority on how people should act in similar situations. When someone is hurt unintentionally and the other guy feels terrible, you should have the courtesy to accept an apology and return the phone call. Otherwise, you're a jerk who feels entitled to act like an ass because something bad happened to you. Why are you an authority on how people should act in these situations anymore than Erick is? I'm giving my opinion, just like you. I'm not calling your opinion ignorant or anything like that. I just happen to disagree with it. Or is there something wrong with that now?
June 3, 201115 yr In what way? Just because you say you've dealt with something like this doesn't make you a full-out authority on how people should act in similar situations. When someone is hurt unintentionally and the other guy feels terrible, you should have the courtesy to accept an apology and return the phone call. Otherwise, you're a jerk who feels entitled to act like an ass because something bad happened to you. Why are you an authority on how people should act in these situations anymore than Erick is? I'm giving my opinion, just like you. I'm not calling your opinion ignorant or anything like that. I just happen to disagree with it. Or is there something wrong with that now? No, it's just funny that you are making a point of saying Erick isn't an authority on anything. Of course he's not, and you aren't either. You're both presenting an opinion.
June 3, 201115 yr Posey's a victim only as far as his leg is concerned. The fact that he's acknowledged that if he'd been in Cousins' position, he'd want a call returned and that he is indifferent about calling Cousins makes him a douche, regardless of what state he's in. It leads me to believe he thinks he's got a reason to be a dick to Cousins just because he got injured. People who are unintentionally wronged and yet go on to purposely make the person who wronged them feel terrible are the worst. When did he do that? Whe he said was he imagines it'd be difficult to be in Cousins' position. He never says anything about how he'd act or how he'd expect someone else to act in that situation, unless you are looking at a different interview. All he's doing is not returning a phone call. He's not attacking Cousins, he's not saying he's dirty, he's not complaining constantly. He just doesn't see what can be accomplished from calling Cousins other than making Cousins feel better which, let's be honest, shouldn't be any of his concern. It'd be one thing if he was going out of his way to criticize Cousins and blame him and demonizing him and all that, but he's not. He's not going out of his way to make Cousins look worse or feel worse. I think he's more than allowed to not call Cousins back as long as he's not attacking him. Maybe I worded it wrong. But yea, i was referring to that bit. He understands how Cousins feels and that he'd feel terrible as well. He also believes that Cousins didn't do it out of malice. I don't understand how someone just ignores how the other guy is feeling just because he feels worse. That's being an ass. It's his responsibility as much as it was Cousins' to apologize. The victim doesn't get immunity from bring wrong here. All he's doing is not returning a phone call, and he's being an ass? He obviously understands why Cousins feels bad, but he doesn't think talking to him will accomplish anything. It'd be one thing if he was going after Cousins, but he's not. He just didn't return a phone call. It's a non-action. Why does he owe it to Cousins to make him feel better? Like not acting is never a bad thing. Talking to him will accomplish something, just not for Posey, and that's my point. I'm sure Cousins would appreciate it if Posey talked to him and accepted his apology, but Posey's indifferent about making Cousins feel any better even though he's acknowledged that Cousins didn't intentionally do it. It's a dick move.
June 3, 201115 yr Like not acting is never a bad thing. Talking to him will accomplish something, just not for Posey, and that's my point. I'm sure Cousins would appreciate it if Posey talked to him and accepted his apology, but Posey's indifferent about making Cousins feel any better even though he's acknowledged that Cousins didn't intentionally do it. It's a dick move. Why does he owe it to Cousins to make him feel better? You just keep stating these things as a fact, as if it's accepted that he must accept Cousins' apology or else he's a dick. He has a right to be upset about what happened, and he doesn't have to accept Cousins' apology if he doesn't want to. He knows Cousins didn't mean to hurt him, that's obvious. He also believes that Cousins didn't need to hit him; in his opinion, Cousins misread the play, or made up his mind before seeing how Posey was set up, or whatever. He knows he's not going to apologize for hitting him, so what good is the apology? "I'm sorry you got hurt by my action, but I'm not sorry for the action." That's not really an apology, what's the point? Why is the imperative on Posey to make Cousins feel better? If he's not going out of his way to demonize him, attack him, villify him, or other make him actively feel worse, then I don't see why he's in the wrong. He has every right to either take Cousins' call or not.
June 3, 201115 yr Author Even if Posey just so happens to take his call, Cousins is still going to feel like sh*t, anyway. One, it's not going to take away from the fact that Posey's going to be out for the year. Two, he'll still be reminded daily of what he did, so much so that he's getting death threats from other people, not named Buster Posey. It's irrelevant. Sharing meaningless words with each other probably wouldn't solve a thing.
June 3, 201115 yr My take on the situation Sabean: 'Instigator' This happened over a week ago. Drop it. Completely unprofessional comments that should no way be coming from a person involved in the Franchise, much less the GM. Cousins: Could have slid differently. But top of the 12th inning in which your team is tied and trying to win a very important game against the defending World Series Champs - you better believe he is going to be safe on that play no matter what. Posey: Nothing wrong here. He doesn't have to return Cousins' call. He isn't attacking anyone or even blaming anyone. He is pissed off that he is out for the year, and his career as a catcher is in jeopardy. I have no idea what it feels like to be in his shoes, but I can't imagine it being good. LoMo: Glad to see him defending a teammate, but he should not return fire. Especially in the aftermath of Samson publicly saying he should be more careful on twitter. All in all, a situation that should be left in the dust. Instead, August 12-14 is going to be one of the most anticipated series all year.
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