marlinfanjoe Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Coming from Sedano's twitter Account Our guy @jaysonst told us wks ago “@DocGooden16: Look for Pujols to follow @ozzieguillen to FL if@cardinals dont resign him. #insidescoop� -Take it for what is worth, but if attendance is a worry, it would be north of 2,700,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Doesn't Pujols want some 10 year contract? He'll be 32 on Opening Day if we sign him. I'll take Fielder over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Don't want Pujols. Don't want Fielder, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinfanjoe Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 Who cares if the organization is gonna spend money... It's not our money that they are spending, the ticket prices are already going to be insane, at least give me 5 years of Pujols' steady production (or Fielder)... If Samson claims that they want to re-brand the franchise, then re-brand the culture (whatever that means) and take a shot at something big... otherwise this franchise will be the same as it has always been by the time opening day 2013 comes by.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 f*** it. Do it. Pujols, cc, cj, buehrle, and reyes. So, add 30, 20, 20, 10, and 20 million. That's only $100 million added to the payroll. $160 MM PAYROLL!!!! GET IT DONE, LORIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 HE GOT THEM ALL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Who cares if the organization is gonna spend money... It's not our money that they are spending, the ticket prices are already going to be insane, at least give me 5 years of Pujols' steady production (or Fielder)... If Samson claims that they want to re-brand the franchise, then re-brand the culture (whatever that means) and take a shot at something big... otherwise this franchise will be the same as it has always been by the time opening day 2013 comes by.. Too bad they want 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Who cares if the organization is gonna spend money... It's not our money that they are spending, the ticket prices are already going to be insane, at least give me 5 years of Pujols' steady production (or Fielder)... If Samson claims that they want to re-brand the franchise, then re-brand the culture (whatever that means) and take a shot at something big... otherwise this franchise will be the same as it has always been by the time opening day 2013 comes by.. 5 steady years would leave us with 5 not-so-steady years. That could potentially cripple this organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 f*** it. Do it. Pujols, cc, cj, buehrle, and reyes. So, add 30, 20, 20, 10, and 20 million. That's only $100 million added to the payroll. $160 MM PAYROLL!!!! GET IT DONE, LORIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like the way you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinfanjoe Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 Who cares if the organization is gonna spend money... It's not our money that they are spending, the ticket prices are already going to be insane, at least give me 5 years of Pujols' steady production (or Fielder)... If Samson claims that they want to re-brand the franchise, then re-brand the culture (whatever that means) and take a shot at something big... otherwise this franchise will be the same as it has always been by the time opening day 2013 comes by.. Too bad they want 10. Then pay him 10 years, the last five he'll still sell tickets with possible milestones he might approach, and even yellow on orange jerseys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pb1300 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Anyone who says they dont want Pujols is completely nuts. Sure he is 32, but he is still the man. And if you want to attack the Phils rotation, you do it with a middle lineup consisting of Hanley-Pujols-Stanton. Not to mention attendance would probably not be an issue with Pujols here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinfanjoe Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 Who cares if the organization is gonna spend money... It's not our money that they are spending, the ticket prices are already going to be insane, at least give me 5 years of Pujols' steady production (or Fielder)... If Samson claims that they want to re-brand the franchise, then re-brand the culture (whatever that means) and take a shot at something big... otherwise this franchise will be the same as it has always been by the time opening day 2013 comes by.. 5 steady years would leave us with 5 not-so-steady years. That could potentially cripple this organization. I'm tired of thinking about the future the future is now... Pujols will put us on the map, when he starts sucking, I'll deal with it. If it means that we're going to be the laughing stock of the MLB in 2017, so be it (we already are a laughing stock...last place team, horrible attendance and stadium, in-competent FO, and a crazy new logo), So if it means that we will contend with Pujols for the next 5 years and then we'll be crippled I'll take that. We've technically been crippled from 1998 to 2002 and 2006 to now...That's eleven of the franchise's 19 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Anyone who says they dont want Pujols is completely nuts. Sure he is 32, but he is still the man. And if you want to attack the Phils rotation, you do it with a middle lineup consisting of Hanley-Pujols-Stanton. Not to mention attendance would probably not be an issue with Pujols here. If you want to attack the Phillies rotation, you might want to get a rotation that can sort of compete with them because they're not allowing many runs, regardless of the lineup. Pujols is a great player, but when you give a guy 10 years...you're investing in him for 10 years. It's possible that we'd have a mediocre player at the age of 40, etc. being the highest paid player in the game. The organization still has to buy out Mike Stanton's arbritration years, btw. That's more important than anything. Leaving yourself with no flexibility because you want a player who's likely to not be good throughout his entire contract is silly. Pujols is also a 1B. No offense to 1B, but 1B is a position that you can fill rather easily. We have a guy who's pretty good right now, actually. Gaby Sanchez is certainly not hurting this team. I'd much rather this team sign guys like C.J. Wilson (prays), Aramis, etc. than spend all the money on one guy. Sort of how Dale Tallon and the Panthers did it this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Who cares if the organization is gonna spend money... It's not our money that they are spending, the ticket prices are already going to be insane, at least give me 5 years of Pujols' steady production (or Fielder)... If Samson claims that they want to re-brand the franchise, then re-brand the culture (whatever that means) and take a shot at something big... otherwise this franchise will be the same as it has always been by the time opening day 2013 comes by.. 5 steady years would leave us with 5 not-so-steady years. That could potentially cripple this organization. I'm tired of thinking about the future the future is now... Pujols will put us on the map, when he starts sucking, I'll deal with it. If it means that we're going to be the laughing stock of the MLB in 2017, so be it (we already are a laughing stock...last place team, horrible attendance and stadium, in-competent FO, and a crazy new logo), So if it means that we will contend with Pujols for the next 5 years and then we'll be crippled I'll take that. We've technically been crippled from 1998 to 2002 and 2006 to now...That's eleven of the franchise's 19 years. When he starts sucking, you'll begin saying how dumb the organization was to not give itself any flexibility, whatsoever. Pujols doesn't guarantee anything, anyway. The Cardinals have a great middle of the lineup now (Pujols, Holliday, Berkman) and they're a couple of games away from not making the playoffs. It's about fielding the best possible team. I'm not saying Albert Pujols won't improve this team because he improves every team, but this team isn't just a 1B away from solving all their prayers. For all the sh*t Gaby Sanchez is getting, he's been a 3 WAR player this year. I'd say we have bigger needs. I also seriously don't remember the last time a 10-year deal worked in an organization's favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Who cares if the organization is gonna spend money... It's not our money that they are spending, the ticket prices are already going to be insane, at least give me 5 years of Pujols' steady production (or Fielder)... If Samson claims that they want to re-brand the franchise, then re-brand the culture (whatever that means) and take a shot at something big... otherwise this franchise will be the same as it has always been by the time opening day 2013 comes by.. 5 steady years would leave us with 5 not-so-steady years. That could potentially cripple this organization. I'm tired of thinking about the future the future is now... Pujols will put us on the map, when he starts sucking, I'll deal with it. If it means that we're going to be the laughing stock of the MLB in 2017, so be it (we already are a laughing stock...last place team, horrible attendance and stadium, in-competent FO, and a crazy new logo), So if it means that we will contend with Pujols for the next 5 years and then we'll be crippled I'll take that. We've technically been crippled from 1998 to 2002 and 2006 to now...That's eleven of the franchise's 19 years. That's ridiculous. The goal should be to build the franchise and build the fanbase. 5 years of a good Pujols doesn't mean 5 years of playoffs or 5 years of realistic contention - which is probably what this franchise needs to build some sort of following. What you're essentially guaranteeing here is that for some time towards the end of that contract, you'll be paying a 39-42 year old player 25M+, which he probably isn't going to earn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Anyone who says they dont want Pujols is completely nuts. Sure he is 32, but he is still the man. And if you want to attack the Phils rotation, you do it with a middle lineup consisting of Hanley-Pujols-Stanton. Not to mention attendance would probably not be an issue with Pujols here. If you want to attack the Phillies rotation, you might want to get a rotation that can sort of compete with them because they're not allowing many runs, regardless of the lineup. Pujols is a great player, but when you give a guy 10 years...you're investing in him for 10 years. It's possible that we'd have a mediocre player at the age of 40, etc. being the highest paid player in the game. The organization still has to buy out Mike Stanton's arbritration years, btw. That's more important than anything. Leaving yourself with no flexibility because you want a player who's likely to not be good throughout his entire contract is silly. Pujols is also a 1B. No offense to 1B, but 1B is a position that you can fill rather easily. We have a guy who's pretty good right now, actually. Gaby Sanchez is certainly not hurting this team. I'd much rather this team sign guys like C.J. Wilson (prays), Aramis, etc. than spend all the money on one guy. Sort of how Dale Tallon and the Panthers did it this offseason. I also think the best route is CJ Wilson + Aramis + hope Vazquez returns. And then work on bolstering the bench and bullpen. And then, if you can move Volstad or Nolasco's contracts off the books, maybe look into Buehrle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pb1300 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Anyone who says they dont want Pujols is completely nuts. Sure he is 32, but he is still the man. And if you want to attack the Phils rotation, you do it with a middle lineup consisting of Hanley-Pujols-Stanton. Not to mention attendance would probably not be an issue with Pujols here. If you want to attack the Phillies rotation, you might want to get a rotation that can sort of compete with them because they're not allowing many runs, regardless of the lineup. Pujols is a great player, but when you give a guy 10 years...you're investing in him for 10 years. It's possible that we'd have a mediocre player at the age of 40, etc. being the highest paid player in the game. The organization still has to buy out Mike Stanton's arbritration years, btw. That's more important than anything. Leaving yourself with no flexibility because you want a player who's likely to not be good throughout his entire contract is silly. Pujols is also a 1B. No offense to 1B, but 1B is a position that you can fill rather easily. We have a guy who's pretty good right now, actually. Gaby Sanchez is certainly not hurting this team. I'd much rather this team sign guys like C.J. Wilson (prays), Aramis, etc. than spend all the money on one guy. Sort of how Dale Tallon and the Panthers did it this offseason. I know Pujols camp wants 10 years, and if they are sticking to that, then Id go elsewhere. No way i want them to offer 10 years to Albert. And while Gaby is a nice 1st baseman, he isnt Pujols. We saw he couldnt sustain the 1st half surge that he had this season, which wouldnt happen with Albert. Gaby doesnt give you 40/100 like Albert probably would still for the next few seasons, especially sandwiched between Hanley and Stanton. I agree we need to shore up the discussion, which we are talking about on another board it seems, but you have to be able to score runs as well, and the Fish obviously need help doing so. A short term deal for Ramirez would help, but if we are looking at a major move, then Pujols or even Fielder would be ideal. Again, if we are talking 10 year deals though, then no, Im not for that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felo Ramirez Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Who cares if the organization is gonna spend money... It's not our money that they are spending, the ticket prices are already going to be insane, at least give me 5 years of Pujols' steady production (or Fielder)... If Samson claims that they want to re-brand the franchise, then re-brand the culture (whatever that means) and take a shot at something big... otherwise this franchise will be the same as it has always been by the time opening day 2013 comes by.. 5 steady years would leave us with 5 not-so-steady years. That could potentially cripple this organization. I'm tired of thinking about the future the future is now... Pujols will put us on the map, when he starts sucking, I'll deal with it. If it means that we're going to be the laughing stock of the MLB in 2017, so be it (we already are a laughing stock...last place team, horrible attendance and stadium, in-competent FO, and a crazy new logo), So if it means that we will contend with Pujols for the next 5 years and then we'll be crippled I'll take that. We've technically been crippled from 1998 to 2002 and 2006 to now...That's eleven of the franchise's 19 years. When he starts sucking, you'll begin saying how dumb the organization was to not give itself any flexibility, whatsoever. Pujols doesn't guarantee anything, anyway. The Cardinals have a great middle of the lineup (Pujols, Holliday, Berkman) and they're a couple of games away from not making the playoffs. It's about fielding the best possible team. I'm not saying Albert Pujols won't improve this team because he improves every team, but this team isn't just a 1B away from solving all their prayers. For all the sh*t Gaby Sanchez is getting, he's been a 3 WAR player this year. I'd say we have bigger needs. I also seriously don't remember the last time a 10-year deal worked in an organization's favor. You're missing the point. It very well may not be the best baseball move to add a 32 year old first baseman for 10 years. However, this is an organization that could benefit extremely from adding the biggest name in baseball. The organization would be legitimized immeadiately...and TONS of people in South Florida would become Marlins fans (and season-ticket holders) OVERNIGHT. The Yankees and Red Sox etc. don't need that type of impact, but the MARLINS??? Yeah, we do.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyJuice Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Go big or go home fish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinfanjoe Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 Who cares if the organization is gonna spend money... It's not our money that they are spending, the ticket prices are already going to be insane, at least give me 5 years of Pujols' steady production (or Fielder)... If Samson claims that they want to re-brand the franchise, then re-brand the culture (whatever that means) and take a shot at something big... otherwise this franchise will be the same as it has always been by the time opening day 2013 comes by.. 5 steady years would leave us with 5 not-so-steady years. That could potentially cripple this organization. I'm tired of thinking about the future the future is now... Pujols will put us on the map, when he starts sucking, I'll deal with it. If it means that we're going to be the laughing stock of the MLB in 2017, so be it (we already are a laughing stock...last place team, horrible attendance and stadium, in-competent FO, and a crazy new logo), So if it means that we will contend with Pujols for the next 5 years and then we'll be crippled I'll take that. We've technically been crippled from 1998 to 2002 and 2006 to now...That's eleven of the franchise's 19 years. When he starts sucking, you'll begin saying how dumb the organization was to not give itself any flexibility, whatsoever. Pujols doesn't guarantee anything, anyway. The Cardinals have a great middle of the lineup (Pujols, Holliday, Berkman) and they're a couple of games away from not making the playoffs. It's about fielding the best possible team. I'm not saying Albert Pujols won't improve this team because he improves every team, but this team isn't just a 1B away from solving all their prayers. For all the sh*t Gaby Sanchez is getting, he's been a 3 WAR player this year. I'd say we have bigger needs. I also seriously don't remember the last time a 10-year deal worked in an organization's favor. You're missing the point. It very well may not be the best baseball move to add a 32 year old first baseman for 10 years. However, this is an organization that could benefit extremely from adding the biggest name in baseball. The organization would be legitimized immeadiately...and TONS of people in South Florida would become Marlins fans (and season-ticket holders) OVERNIGHT. The Yankees and Red Sox etc. don't need that type of impact, but the MARLINS??? Yeah, we do.. Perfectly put...^^^^ I know that Pujols does not guaranty anything in terms of World Championships, but it'd be hard for a team with Hanley, Stanton and Pujols to lose 23 out of 28. If the idea of Pujols is too much for Loria, fine but go be aggressive get Fielder or Reyes or CJ Wilson or trade for someone BIG. Hate to compare different sports, but if Loria wants his franchise to be relevant and get people to go to the new stadium, do it the Heat way (Get the best players you can), not the Dolphin way (Trying to find diamonds in the rough and take people by surprise). If by 2019 Pujols hits 15 HR, but at the same time is chasing Ruth, in the all-time HR's list, isn't that gonna bring people in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystikol87 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Big names arent magic wands. Its been proven before with the marlins and even the heat. To be fair, Pujols is one of the biggest names. He'd be as close as you can get to adding a LeBron James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyJuice Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 now that I think of it, lets not compare pujols to lebron..... we all know how that went for the heat last year.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Love Me Some Fish Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 They have both been the best players in their respective sports for quite a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 If you could somehow lure Pujols in here for a non-10 year deal... absolutely. Even if it means paying him more. But seriously, if you can dish out Gaby for some pitching... that's a significant upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinfanjoe Posted September 27, 2011 Author Share Posted September 27, 2011 now that I think of it, lets not compare pujols to lebron..... we all know how that went for the heat last year.. I think you're crazy if you would not take a NL Championship and World Series loss next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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