Gents, something is seriously wrong with JJ. I wish there wasn't and hope I'm wrong. But that's a different pitcher out there and right now the pitcher I have the least confidence in on our staff. I really hope it's just him stretching out, but I fear the worst...

 

 

He hasn't pitched since May.

 

Are we gonna have some kind of freak out every time we lose? Because that's going to happen at least 70-80 times.

 

70 to 80 time?! What!

Yeah Gizmo, wtf!

GOING CRAZY HERE.

If he never got any surgery, it makes me wonder if his shoulder is truly, fully healed, though. That does worry me. I'll give him another start, though, before getting completely worried.

 

 

the lack of K's and giving up a bases loaded double was evidence enough for me...

 

Yeah, he's never had a terrible start before. He's done. 9.2 innings of baseball makes this a certainty.

 

Heath Bell is done, too. His peripherals are declining and he blew a save. Done.

Hanley Ramirez done.

 

 

Let's take this beyond our team. Tim Lincecum, he's done.

 

Erick,

 

this is not the same JJ. I hope I'm wrong!

Doesn't look good, but I say give it a few more starts before we start to worry.

Like I said, I'm giving him one more start, which will be against the Cubs. If he does poorly again ...

If he never got any surgery, it makes me wonder if his shoulder is truly, fully healed, though. That does worry me. I'll give him another start, though, before getting completely worried.

 

 

the lack of K's and giving up a bases loaded double was evidence enough for me...

 

Yeah, he's never had a terrible start before. He's done. 9.2 innings of baseball makes this a certainty.

 

Heath Bell is done, too. His peripherals are declining and he blew a save. Done.

Hanley Ramirez done.

 

 

Let's take this beyond our team. Tim Lincecum, he's done.

 

Erick,

 

this is not the same JJ. I hope I'm wrong!

 

It's possible he's not healthy.

 

It's also possible that he's just had a couple of bad starts consecutively to start the year and that his velocity drop has to do with other factors. Beginning of the season, weather conditions tonight, etc.

 

There's cause for concern but there's literally no way to come up with a conclusion right now due to lack of information. All we have is 2 starts.

If he never got any surgery, it makes me wonder if his shoulder is truly, fully healed, though. That does worry me. I'll give him another start, though, before getting completely worried.

 

 

the lack of K's and giving up a bases loaded double was evidence enough for me...

 

Yeah, he's never had a terrible start before. He's done. 9.2 innings of baseball makes this a certainty.

 

Heath Bell is done, too. His peripherals are declining and he blew a save. Done.

Hanley Ramirez done.

 

 

Let's take this beyond our team. Tim Lincecum, he's done.

 

Erick,

 

this is not the same JJ. I hope I'm wrong!

 

It's possible he's not healthy.

 

It's also possible that he's just had a couple of bad starts consecutively to start the year and that his velocity drop has to do with other factors. Beginning of the season, weather conditions tonight, etc.

 

There's cause for concern but there's literally no way to come up with a conclusion right now due to lack of information. All we have is 2 starts.

 

Fair enough. I just have that "feeling" which is the same feeling I had last year at the mets game which was his last game of the year. He's not locating because he's overthrowing... He's overthrowing because his velocity is down... He's a FB pitcher.... Something ain't right

This little experiment looks to be blowing up right in our faces.

This little experiment looks to be blowing up right in our faces.

 

 

Good contribution.

There's an experiment? >_>

This little experiment looks to be blowing up right in our faces.

 

 

Good contribution.

I could say the same thing about above post....

 

I guess you're fine with what's happening with JJ and have no concerns? I've followed his career from the beginning and I can tell you right off jump that something is very wrong. You just don't see Josh get beat up like he did today, especially not against a sub-par lineup like he faced tonight. The velocity is concerning as well as his lack of composure and location. He needs a good start to have his confidence pick-up. Here's to Buherle finishing off the series the right way.

There's an experiment? >_>

 

Yeah, I would call this morbid spending a giant experiement. If it doesn't deliver a playoff berth, and WS contention then the whole front office takes a giant L. I would go as far as to say that this would be the most dissapointing season in franchise histroy if we don't make the postseason. The division is right there for the taking, but we won't be elite unless JJ is the best pictcher in baseball.

Good pitchers can turn into bad pitchers, and horrible pitchers can make huge improvements and become good pitchers. It's just the nature of the sport.

 

I am starting to get worried that JJ might become a formerly great pitcher who is now in decline due to injury, and might never recover to his former self. I hope I am wrong, but the continuous injuries and now the lousy performances leave a lot to be worried about. If he has another bad start, the Marlins might want to send him down to AAA (at least temporarily) and get someone else. We can't afford to wait half a season of loss after loss hoping that JJ will have a miraculous recovery.

There's an experiment? >_>

 

Yeah, I would call this morbid spending a giant experiement. If it doesn't deliver a playoff berth, and WS contention then the whole front office takes a giant L.

Well, it's ... just 6 games in, I mean ... 2-4 isn't the end of the world.

There's an experiment? >_>

 

Yeah, I would call this morbid spending a giant experiement. If it doesn't deliver a playoff berth, and WS contention then the whole front office takes a giant L.

Well, it's ... just 6 games in, I mean ... 2-4 isn't the end of the world.

It's not the record i'm concerned with, it's the fact that JJ isn't throwing the way he should and the teams success hinges upon it.

Good pitchers can turn into bad pitchers, and horrible pitchers can make huge improvements and become good pitchers. It's just the nature of the sport.

 

I am starting to get worried that JJ might become a formerly great pitcher who is now in decline due to injury, and might never recover to his former self. I hope I am wrong, but the continuous injuries and now the lousy performances leave a lot to be worried about. If he has another bad start, the Marlins might want to send him down to AAA (at least temporarily) and get someone else. We can't afford to wait half a season of loss after loss hoping that JJ will have a miraculous recovery.

 

He's earned his stripes to at least notch about 10 starts before a demotion. This is just bad, bad, bad.

There's an experiment? >_>

 

Yeah, I would call this morbid spending a giant experiement. If it doesn't deliver a playoff berth, and WS contention then the whole front office takes a giant L.

Well, it's ... just 6 games in, I mean ... 2-4 isn't the end of the world.

It's not the record i'm concerned with, it's the fact that JJ isn't throwing the way he should and the teams success hinges upon it.

Well, I mean, not necessarily, I mean, Buehrle, Ricky, Zambrano and Anibal all pitched well - as long as the offense is clicking, we'll be alright. We just ... we faced Roy Halladay this game.

Good pitchers can turn into bad pitchers, and horrible pitchers can make huge improvements and become good pitchers. It's just the nature of the sport.

 

I am starting to get worried that JJ might become a formerly great pitcher who is now in decline due to injury, and might never recover to his former self. I hope I am wrong, but the continuous injuries and now the lousy performances leave a lot to be worried about. If he has another bad start, the Marlins might want to send him down to AAA (at least temporarily) and get someone else. We can't afford to wait half a season of loss after loss hoping that JJ will have a miraculous recovery.

 

He's earned his stripes to at least notch about 10 starts before a demotion. This is just bad, bad, bad.

 

So you are saying that we are stuck and have to go along for the wild ride?

I'm worried about him as well....yes I realize it has been only two starts but at the same time those two starts are two of the worst he's ever had as well...yielding 10 or more hits in each outing...something he's only done once or twice previously in his entire career. The velocity is also not there obviously. And he has pitched since last May...that's why they play spring training games...to get the guys stretched out before the regular season begins.

 

Again, I hope to hell it isn't anything serious as it's not like he's coming off some major surgery but he's been nothing short of AWFUL in both starts.

I could say the same thing about above post....

 

I guess you're fine with what's happening with JJ and have no concerns? I've followed his career from the beginning and I can tell you right off jump that something is very wrong. You just don't see Josh get beat up like he did today, especially not against a sub-par lineup like he faced tonight. The velocity is concerning as well as his lack of composure and location. He needs a good start to have his confidence pick-up. Here's to Buherle finishing off the series the right way.

 

 

What does JJ having two bad starts have to do with the way the front office spent money in the offseason? You're being silly by equating the two.

 

If Reyes, Beurhle and Bell all play well and JJ forgets how to pitch, then "the experiment" was a success, since "the experiment" was spending money in the offseason on those three guys.

 

Also, "morbid spending" is a weird phrase.

I'm worried about him as well....yes I realize it has been only two starts but at the same time those two starts are two of the worst he's ever had as well...yielding 10 or more hits in each outing...something he's only done once or twice previously in his entire career. The velocity is also not there obviously. And he has pitched since last May...that's why they play spring training games...to get the guys stretched out before the regular season begins.

 

 

You very well may have answered your own question here. He hasn't pitched since last May. He did not go through a normal spring training. At this point, it is more fair to assume that he is working into shape than that he is injured, especially if he is not complaining of any weakness or discomfort.

I'm worried about him as well....yes I realize it has been only two starts but at the same time those two starts are two of the worst he's ever had as well...yielding 10 or more hits in each outing...something he's only done once or twice previously in his entire career. The velocity is also not there obviously. And he has pitched since last May...that's why they play spring training games...to get the guys stretched out before the regular season begins.

 

 

You very well may have answered your own question here. He hasn't pitched since last May. He did not go through a normal spring training. At this point, it is more fair to assume that he is working into shape than that he is injured, especially if he is not complaining of any weakness or discomfort.

 

Another problem with that is how many players try to do the whole ''play through the pain'' routine only to find out a few starts later that they've been having some major issues and just wanted to be out there to take the mound. It happens quite a bit. His pitches have just been very hittable. If I remember right he wasn't this bad when he came back from TJ surgery in his first few starts. We don't really know just yet but it's a legitimate concern for the fans at this point and not just because we've lost those two games but because how awful he's been.

I disagree that it is a legitimate concern after two starts. If these two starts happened in June it would just be "Oh well, sucks we lost those two games."

 

Let's let some more time pass before we begin to worry about anything.

 

Unless evidence begins to emerge that he is actually hurt. And like real evidence, not a couple of bad starts.

In his first start he tied his career high giving up 10 hits.

 

Now he has a new career high for hits given up in a game: 11.

 

His velocity seems fine. Just isn't locating his pitches with good precision.