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Flores to the bigs

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fuck this team.  Lets add another long reliever to the 4 in the starting rotation and the other one in the bullpen.  God forbid we call up an actual reliever.

 

 

fuck this team.  Lets add another long reliever to the 4 in the starting rotation and the other one in the bullpen.  God forbid we call up an actual reliever.

 

​I think Wittgren stikes out too many/doesnt walk enough for their liking. 

 

 

​I think Wittgren stikes out too many/doesnt walk enough for their liking. 

 

​the longer the games go, the more food/drink they can sell at the the concession stands. I get it.

 

 

Omg none of these moves ever look like that of a team that's trying to improve. This isn't even anything against Flores directly but this doesn't help us. They just keep shuffling useless names around for nothing.

 

It would have honestly been better to bring up Mathis who is an improvement over Solano and in turn helps Realmuto. Whatever.

 

 

Why would he be the call up it really makes no sense?  Unless they start Flores and DFA Hand and bring Wittgren out of the pen this is an idiotic move.

 

Our pitching staff right now is a rotation of Phelps, Urena, Haren, Hand, and Koehler 

 

with a bullpen of Ramos, MAzarro, Morris, Capps, Dunn, Rienzo, and Flores.

 

Unspeakably bad.  The funny thing is the front office is gonna end up blaming this season on injuries while the Cardinals lose their ace seemingly every year and are consistently good.  This front office is amazingly bad.  Loria still thinks its the manager.

 

 

And this front office continues to bug me. Are we really reduced to this? 20-32. Are you joking? So much talent on this team.

 

 

Not necessarily on this board but I have to envision fans losing interest in the team and going somewhere else

 

 

Seriously what's the deal w Wittgren? They'd have to cut someone on the 40 right? Why is flores in the 40 to begin with? 

 

​he's actually been very solid and his minor league peripherals are nice with a nice k/bb ratio.  he's a nice arm who was a nice get for Mcgehee but we have legitimately 7 long relievers on the roster right now.  We have like 4 actual bullpen arms.

 

 

Only logical reason is Flores is 40 manned. He's a starter, not a reliever. Made a ton of more sense to DFA someone for Wittgren. It's not like we don't have someone to DFA

 

 

​he's actually been very solid and his minor league peripherals are nice with a nice k/bb ratio.  he's a nice arm who was a nice get for Mcgehee but we have legitimately 7 long relievers on the roster right now.  We have like 4 actual bullpen arms.

 

​Umm...

 

Flores is striking out 6.67 per nine and walking 2.38. That isn't terrible, but certainly isn't good. His BABIP against is .201 so his success is mostly luck based so far. He's bad and couldn't hold a candle to Wittgren or even to a few of the other relievers on his own team. He has no business on the 40-man roster and even less on the 25. He is a career middle reliever MAYBE, but most likely a guy who will bounce around from team to team and put up an ERA around 4.50 while pitching in blowouts and bullpen games.

 

 

With our starting rotation, we need a lot of long relievers. I guess. 

 

Probably this. How often do our starters go 6+? Plus he's on the 40 man. It'll be cool to see him get some MLB IP.

 

 

Flores should be starting Hand long relief.

 

​Brad Hand is a better pitcher than Kendry Flores.

 

Hand's MLB numbers are better than Flores' AA numbers, in general.

 

K/9: slight edge to Flores, 6.67 to 6.43

 

BB/9: edge to Hand, 1.93 to 2.38

 

BABIP: Hand's .322 predicts improvement while Flores' .201 predicts strong regression

 

FIP: Hand's 2.31 shows he's actually been unlucky this year to put up a 4.50 ERA, Flores' 3.57 shows he's been incredibly lucky to put up a 2.06 ERA.

 

Yeah yeah, I know stats stats stats, but still: Kendry Flores is not a good pitcher and neither is Brad Hand, Hand is simply the lesser of two bad pitchers.

 

 

​Brad Hand is a better pitcher than Kendry Flores.

 

Hand's MLB numbers are better than Flores' AA numbers, in general.

 

K/9: slight edge to Flores, 6.67 to 6.43

 

BB/9: edge to Hand, 1.93 to 2.38

 

BABIP: Hand's .322 predicts improvement while Flores' .201 predicts strong regression

 

FIP: Hand's 2.31 shows he's actually been unlucky this year to put up a 4.50 ERA, Flores' 3.57 shows he's been incredibly lucky to put up a 2.06 ERA.

 

Yeah yeah, I know stats stats stats, but still: Kendry Flores is not a good pitcher and neither is Brad Hand, Hand is simply the lesser of two bad pitchers.

 

Ok. But Hand isn't going to improve much more if at all. Flores will and had decent prospect status. We suck and aren't going anywhere. I'd start Flores. Give him experience starting games which is what he will be doing instead of coming out of the pen. But whatever.

 

 

Ok. But Hand isn't going to improve much more if at all. Flores will and had decent prospect status. 

 

​Just because one is unknown doesn't mean he has more promise.

Hand was probably a better prospect than Flores has ever been at any point in his career. Flores is 23, Hand 25. I don't see why we should expect improvement from one and not the other. If one of them is going to improve, I'd actually say Hand has a better chance. Realistically, they both kinda suck. Who cares, really?

 

Speaking of guys to call up, where the fuck is Nicolino?

 

 

Letting Nicolino start, as they've done with Urena, is what they should be doing right now. Everybody is hurt so it's a perfect time to do it. Time to see what you've got in what's left of our minor league system. Nicolino's supposed to be the best of that bunch (not including Kolek who's too young). Let's see him (Nicolino). 

 

 

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