Ozuna is coming off a down year and is probably better than he showed last year. Hech, on the other hand, will probably never be better offensively than he was last year. Many teams have a very big need at SS, and we have another very good defensive SS in Rojas on the bench. 

 

Could be a good time to sell high on Hech, who supposedly has been offered a contract extension by the team and is rumored to be seeking an Elvis Andrus type extension, which the Marlins/any team would be dumb to give him.

 

We could probably get a much better pitcher for Hech this offseason than we could for Ozuna. 

 

 

1. There is on way I'd ever want Mel Rojas getting 500 at bats for my team.

 

2. Loria hates Ozuna.

 

3. If your goal is to win in the next 2-3 years, then you cannot trade Hech unless you are willing to have a guy who will hit in the low .200s at short stop and can get a legit 2 pieces that can play immediately.  

 

 

Rojas isn't an everyday answer, we don't have anyone to replace Hech so we can't trade him IMO.

 

 

Strongly disagree with this. I think that people overrate Ozuna's bat. Inconsistent power with a poor walk to strikeout rate.

 

I don't think highly of Hech's bat either and expect he will regress next season but he's much harder to replace.

 

 

FWIW I wouldn't trade Ozuna or Hech.  Keep both

 

 

Ozuna though would be a lot eaiser to replace than Hech.

 

 

Ozuna though would be a lot eaiser to replace than Hech.

 

Indeed

 

 

People seem to forget that Hech is the same guy most people hated just one offseason ago. What changed? His UZR? I'm not sure why people really like him yet really disliked him one year ago. 

 

The team can also sign a SS. It's not as if Miguel Rojas is the only alternative. For what it's worth, I think you're all underrating Rojas a bit.

 

For what it's worth, I would keep both of them and sign two pitchers, but this organization is dumb, so yeah. If I had to trade one at this point though, it'd be Hech, not Ozuna. I'm always a fan of selling high, rather than selling low. But the Marlins love to trade players when they barely have any value left so goodbye Ozuna, I guess. 

 

 

Ozuna though would be a lot eaiser to replace than Hech.

 

I agree. To be fair, we'd also get a lesser pitcher for Ozuna than we'd get for Hech for the same reason. I guess it all depends what your preference is.  

 

 

People seem to forget that Hech is the same guy most people hated just one offseason ago. What changed? His UZR? I'm not sure why people really like him yet really disliked him one year ago. 

 

The team can also sign a SS. It's not as if Miguel Rojas is the only alternative. For what it's worth, I think you're all underrating Rojas a bit.

 

For what it's worth, I would keep both of them and sign two pitchers, but this organization is dumb, so yeah. If I had to trade one at this point though, it'd be Hech, not Ozuna. I'm always a fan of selling high, rather than selling low. But the Marlins love to trade players when they barely have any value left so goodbye Ozuna, I guess. 

 

I've never liked Ozuna either. They are both mediocre at best in my view, but Hech plays the more scarce position so this is an easy decision.

 

Trading Hech instead of Ozuna would be a dumb move.

 

 

Also, which SS do you think the Marlins should sign?

 

 

Also, which SS do you think the Marlins should sign?

 

Asdrubal Cabrera and Alexei Ramirez could be realistic options on short-term deals. 

 

 

Also, the same question should be asked for Ozuna.

 

If the team trades him, who replaces him in the OF? It'd be a downgrade there too. At least with Hech you're selling high and probably getting a legit #2 in the rotation. Ozuna isn't bringing back Carrasco/Salazar type pitchers unless if the Indians are insane. 

 

 

Asdrubal Cabrera and Alexei Ramirez could be realistic options on short-term deals. 

 

And terrible defensively.

 

fuck if thats the options, I'd rather take Rojas because at least he could defend the position well.  

 

 

Also, the same question should be asked for Ozuna.

 

If the team trades him, who replaces him in the OF? It'd be a downgrade there too.

 

Cespedes

 

 

There's a pretty good chance Rojas is just as "good" as hech. Love his 10% k rate last year (small sample of course)

 

 

And terrible defensively.

 

fuck if thats the options, I'd rather take Rojas because at least he could defend the position well.  

 

Neither one is an enticing option. Ramirez is going to be 34 next season and is likely a negative WAR player.

 

 

Neither one is an enticing option. Ramirez is going to be 34 next season and is likely a negative WAR player.

 

I know, but I'd rather have the guy that can at least field a baseball consistently at a + rate when both players are going to be below average offensively.

 

 

Like I said weeks ago

 

 

Ok good, so at least they're not just trying to fling him out for the best offer. Ozuna for a #2 is fine by me. If someone bites, they overpaid. If they don't, we keep our guy

 

 

What humors me about the people wantingto trade Ozuna are probably the same people who want to sign Cespedes

 

 

Ok good, so at least they're not just trying to fling him out for the best offer. Ozuna for a #2 is fine by me. If someone bites, they overpaid. If they don't, we keep our guy

 

I said this here a couple weeks ago  

 

They want a #2 but don't be surprised if they do end up settling for less.

 

 

Gotta wonder what's more likely, they hold out for what they want or they settle for less.

 

And if they hold up and keep him would that take us away from Cespedes or would Loria be willing to have both?

 

 

Gotta wonder what's more likely, they hold out for what they want or they settle for less.

 

And if they hold up and keep him would that take us away from Cespedes or would Loria be willing to have both?

 

If they strike out on cespedes then they are more likely to not settle.  If they sign cespedes they are more likely to settle.

 

 

If they strike out on cespedes then they are more likely to not settle.  If they sign cespedes they are more likely to settle.

 

That's fair. Then I wonder what they consider settling. They want a No 2... Would they settle for a No 3-4 starter or does settling mean they'll just take a random AAA middle reliever? I just hope they have a limit to whatever settling is.