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Why not trade Hech instead of Ozuna?

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Off-topic, but I would be shocked if they trade Ramos. 

 

 

I wouldn't call it shocked though. We need upgrades and the only tradeable parts on the big league roster are Ozuna, Ramos, Morris, Dunn. So it wouldn't shock me to move any of them.

 

 

Yes it is unlikely, he's available but they aren't desperate to dump him.

 

That is mind boggling after how they handled the Cishek situation and considering how many quality bullpen arms we have and the fact that its not difficult to find those guys.  Ramos value will never be higher and they should be looking desperately to trade him to a team willing to give us a potential long term starting pitcher or position player.

 

 

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Trading Ramos would mean:

A) Trading a closer while his value is high.

B) Trading Stanton's bestie. 

 

Highly unlikely that this organization would do such a thing.

 

For what it's worth, if the team is trying to win next year, trading AJ Ramos is probably not such a great idea anyway. Relievers are volatile, but that doesn't mean you just trade them every time you find a good one. He's been good, and pretty underrated actually. And with every team seemingly putting their closer on the trade block, his value probably isn't as high. Why trade for Ramos when you can trade for someone like Chapman/Kimbrel/Miller/Melancon? 

 

 

Trading Ramos would mean:

A) Trading a closer while his value is high.

B) Trading Stanton's bestie. 

 

Highly unlikely that this organization would do such a thing.

 

For what it's worth, if the team is trying to win next year, trading AJ Ramos is probably not such a great idea anyway. Relievers are volatile, but that doesn't mean you just trade them every time you find a good one. He's been good, and pretty underrated actually. And with every team seemingly putting their closer on the trade block, his value probably isn't as high. Why trade for Ramos when you can trade for someone like Chapman/Kimbrel/Miller/Melancon? 

 

Yep this is why its unlikely. He's not untouchable like JT, Dee, Stanton, Jose and Yeli but he is not likely to be dealt.

 

 

Trading Ramos would mean:

A) Trading a closer while his value is high.

B) Trading Stanton's bestie. 

 

Highly unlikely that this organization would do such a thing.

 

For what it's worth, if the team is trying to win next year, trading AJ Ramos is probably not such a great idea anyway. Relievers are volatile, but that doesn't mean you just trade them every time you find a good one. He's been good, and pretty underrated actually. And with every team seemingly putting their closer on the trade block, his value probably isn't as high. Why trade for Ramos when you can trade for someone like Chapman/Kimbrel/Miller/Melancon? 

 

Damn now I wanna keep him.

 

 

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Damn now I wanna keep him.

 

I would actually love to keep him and trade for Chapman if his value is low. Capps/Ramos/Chapman in the backend of the bullpen would be cool. Would the Reds have interest in Nicolino? He stinks. 

 

 

I would actually love to keep him and trade for Chapman if his value is low. Capps/Ramos/Chapman in the backend of the bullpen would be cool. Would the Reds have interest in Nicolino? He stinks. 

 

Chapman's value is NOT low and will require major assets to acquire him.

 

 

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It's probably not as high as it would've been before though. He only has a year left on his contract.

 

 

It's probably not as high as it would've been before though. He only has a year left on his contract.

 

They asked for Yelich plus more at the deadline, can't imagine its dropped that much since then. Still would likely ask to start with Yelich.

 

 

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They asked for Yelich plus more at the deadline, can't imagine its dropped that much since then. Still would likely ask to start with Yelich.

 

Ozuna is basically just a slight downgrade from Yelich. People seem to be underestimating Ozuna's talents. I don't think any team is going to give us a legit #2 starter for Ozuna, but he's really not much worse than Yelich. 

 

We're talking about a 25-year old OF'er who put up a 3.7 fWAR as recently as 2014. Yelich had a 4.4 WAR that year. The Reds can ask for a Yelich all they want, but they're not getting that from any team for Chapman who has a year left on his contract. Just like the Braves asking for Harvey/DeGrom for Simmons. It's a nice dream, but it's not happening. 

 

The Reds should've traded Chapman last year to maximize their value, but now they're selling low just like we are with Ozuna. They probably wouldn't be able to do much better than Ozuna, and I bet it's just a matter of whether or not the Marlins feel it's right to spend $13 million of their payroll next year on a closer. 

 

Again, remember that as recently as last offseason, the Marlins were considered to have the best young OF in baseball. Ozuna was a part of that OF. If the Marlins trade him, his value might be lower than last year, but it's probably better than some prospects the Reds would get in return for a closer on an expiring contract. 

 

 

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Also, Ozuna basically just had a slump. If you look at the whole picture, he's coming off a season in 2015, in which he had a .789 .OPS in the 2nd half. 

 

A .789 .OPS from a guy capable of playing CF at the age of 25 has plenty of value. The only reason why we might not feel that way is because Loria is basically treating him like an ex-girlfriend. The reality is though that he's a good player. I actually wish we'd keep him, but I know he's leaving so I'm just looking at best case scenarios at this point. 

 

 

Also, Ozuna basically just had a slump. If you look at the whole picture, he's coming off a season in 2015, in which he had a .789 .OPS in the 2nd half. 

 

A .789 .OPS from a guy capable of playing CF at the age of 25 has plenty of value. The only reason why we might not feel that way is because Loria is basically treating him like an ex-girlfriend. The reality is though that he's a good player. I actually wish we'd keep him, but I know he's leaving so I'm just looking at best case scenarios at this point. 

 

I disagree with this. He bopped some more home runs in the second half, but he still put up a .300 OBP.

 

I wouldn't say that he slumped in the first half. He generally sucks with his plate discipline and getting on base, but his power is just radically inconsistent.

 

He has value, but I think people overrate rather than underrate him.

 

 

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