If they strike out on cespedes then they are more likely to not settle.  If they sign cespedes they are more likely to settle.

 

Wait...so we're seriously pursuing Cespedes?

 

Ugh...

 

 

What humors me about the people wantingto trade Ozuna are probably the same people who want to sign Cespedes

 

pretty sure the consensus (by a fair margin) on this board is trading ozuna and signing cespedes are both stupid moves

 

 

pretty sure the consensus (by a fair margin) on this board is trading ozuna and signing cespedes are both stupid moves

 

I'm for trading Ozuna but I think signing Cespedes is a stupid move,

 

 

I'm for trading Ozuna but I think signing Cespedes is a stupid move,

 

Sure for the right return. I think the worry here is that the marlins are going to get a SP with a BB rate higher than his K rate who had a 3.7 ERA or something. 

 

 

They aren't getting a #2 for Ozuna. I don't think the Marlins understand that other teams know about player value, and that Ozuna's value is at a low.

 

 

They aren't getting a #2 for Ozuna. I don't think the Marlins understand that other teams know about player value, and that Ozuna's value is at a low.

 

The problem is the marlins FO will trade for their idea of a #2 SP

 

 

Wasn't there some talk about Carlos Carrasco last year? Or was that basically just the board's (hopeful) speculation?

 

 

Based on what's been said, Carrasco is the most obvious assumed solution here but it's never been officially speculated if it could be done.

 

 

Based on what's been said, Carrasco is the most obvious assumed solution here but it's never been officially speculated if it could be done.

 

Yeah I really don't see why Cleveland would trade him for Ozuna at this point. We'd either have to throw something else of value in or they would just look elsewhere.

 

 

Yeah I really don't see why Cleveland would trade him for Ozuna at this point. We'd either have to throw something else of value in or they would just look elsewhere.

 

I read somewhere that thought throwing in Mike Dunn with Ozuna might be more reasonable for Cleveland since they could use an established lefty in the pen. So yeah, maybe Ozuna plus something would do it. With our history it'll be Ozuna plus a draft pick.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2587313-mlb-trade-ideas-based-on-latest-gm-meetings-news-rumors-and-speculation/page/3

 

 

 

Cleveland Gets: LHP Mike Dunn and OF Marcell Ozuna

 

Miami Gets: RHP Carlos Carrasco

 

The Rumors

 

Cleveland has long been expected to shop one of its starting pitchers for a bat, and with the news that All-Star left fielder Michael Brantley could miss the start of the regular season after undergoing right shoulder surgery, according to Cleveland.com's Paul Hoynes, doing so just took on a new level of importance.

 

With CBS Sports' Jon Heyman reporting that the Indians have interest in Miami's Marcell Ozuna—who owner Jeffrey Loria wants to trade, per a report from the Miami Herald's Barry Jackson—and Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal noting Miami's interest in adding a No. 2 starter, there's a deal to be made.

 

Why It Works for the Indians

 

While he's coming off a forgettable season that included a midseason demotion which upset the clubhouse and his agent, Scott Boras, Ozuna still has tremendous upside as he enters his age-25 season. A plus defender in either center field or left, it's Ozuna's potential as a run producer that makes him a fit.

 

It was only two years ago that Ozuna hit .269 with 23 home runs, 85 RBI, a .772 OPS and 115 wRC+, the latter placing him in the top 30 of all outfielders. A fresh start with a new team could easily see him replicate, if not exceed those numbers next season.

 

The Indians also land veteran reliever Mike Dunn, who, like Ozuna, wasn't great in 2015 (4.50 ERA, 1.39 WHIP), but has proved to be a solid reliever over the course of his seven-year career and gives manager Terry Francona the experienced left-handed bullpen option he badly needs.

 

Why It Works for the Marlins

 

Carlos Carrasco's name doesn't come up often when we rattle off the names of baseball's best pitchers, but the 28-year-old firmly established himself as a legitimate front-line starter in 2015. Consider the following:

 

He struck out as many batters (216) as Dallas Keuchel and James Shields, all tied for the ninth-highest total in the game.

 

His 2.84 FIP was lower than those belonging to Keuchel (2.91), Madison Bumgarner (2.87) and Matt Harvey (3.05), among others.

 

He held opposing batters to a lower OPS (.646) than the likes of Chris Sale (.649), Johnny Cueto (.675), Cole Hamels (.669) and Jordan Zimmermann (.699).

 

That's pretty darn impressive—and pairing Carrasco with Jose Fernandez would give Miami an equally impressive one-two punch atop its rotation.

 

 

 

no way in hell we get carrasco. bauer more realisitic 

 

 

no way in hell we get carrasco. bauer more realisitic 

 

jack?

 

 

jack?

 

we should hear something in 24 hours

 

 

no way in hell we get carrasco. bauer more realisitic 

 

I'm sure the Dodgers said that about Heaney/Nicolino. Look how that turned out lol

 

 

I'm sure the Dodgers said that about Heaney/Nicolino. Look how that turned out lol

 

Yea but in that case, we were the idiots.

 

In this case, we are also the idiots. But we'll be the ones to undervalue a player, most likely.

 

 

Yea but in that case, we were the idiots.

 

In this case, we are also the idiots. But we'll be the ones to undervalue a player, most likely.

 

Starting to see a trend here

 

 

Yea but in that case, we were the idiots.

 

In this case, we are also the idiots. But we'll be the ones to undervalue a player, most likely.

 

Lol yeah I was semi joking. But at the same time, I'm sure just as a good organization doesn't overpay for an anomalously good year, I'm sure they won't miss the opportunity to acquire a player with a lot more talent than he showed last year, over one subpar season. Especially given that they would be trading from a stockpile of nice arms. Throw in a Dunn type and I'm sure it will work. But yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly. The Marlins are the stupid second grader who trades his charizard for a couple of ratitats and a holographic vileplume.

 

 

do the Marlins have any tradable players (with value) other than Ozuna at this point?

 

like, I'm reading about the Reds being in fire sale mode, and they got some great players, but do the Marlins have anything to offer in a trade?

 

 

do the Marlins have any tradable players (with value) other than Ozuna at this point?

 

like, I'm reading about the Reds being in fire sale mode, and they got some great players, but do the Marlins have anything to offer in a trade?

 

Ramos is probably the only one with value that they are willing to trade.  Guys like Stanton, Yelich, JT, Jose, Dee have obvious value but they aren't dealing them.

 

 

Trade Capps to the Yanks..

 

lets do that shit again.

 

 

Am I correct in assuming that they're willingness to trade Ramos is the reason they're sorta kinda looking for a closer? Like they're preparing to possibly be without Ramos if the right deal comes along?

 

 

I have never understood all the hate for HECH. Sure, he wasn't very good, his hitting wasn't good, his defense always looked "too flashy" according to the forum members. When he hit good, there was "no way he could keep it up, it's all luck". He's improved his hitting every season, most people expected him to win the GG or be a close finalist for it this season. He "can't keep this up" yet has gotten better and better each season to where he's a major league caliber player.  Why hate on the dude? He's put in some hard work, and I appreciate that as a fan.  

 

 

I have never understood all the hate for HECH. Sure, he wasn't very good, his hitting wasn't good, his defense always looked "too flashy" according to the forum members. When he hit good, there was "no way he could keep it up, it's all luck". He's improved his hitting every season, most people expected him to win the GG or be a close finalist for it this season. He "can't keep this up" yet has gotten better and better each season to where he's a major league caliber player.  Why hate on the dude? He's put in some hard work, and I appreciate that as a fan.  

 

Am I correct in assuming that they're willingness to trade Ramos is the reason they're sorta kinda looking for a closer? Like they're preparing to possibly be without Ramos if the right deal comes along?

 

Trade Ramos? I'm listening.

 

 

I have never understood all the hate for HECH. Sure, he wasn't very good, his hitting wasn't good, his defense always looked "too flashy" according to the forum members. When he hit good, there was "no way he could keep it up, it's all luck". He's improved his hitting every season, most people expected him to win the GG or be a close finalist for it this season. He "can't keep this up" yet has gotten better and better each season to where he's a major league caliber player.  Why hate on the dude? He's put in some hard work, and I appreciate that as a fan.  

 

I'd say his offensive production is built highly on streaks. When you cut out the few and far between streaks he had at the start and end of this past season, he's a liability in the lineup. Most of the time he's an incredible liability in the lineup. He'll never learn how to walk, doesn't have real power potential (although he's a decent gaps hitter), and usually doesn't hit consistently enough to make up for his flaws. However, the expectations from the shortstop position across baseball have decreased over the years. Not a single shortstop with at least 400 AB's this past season had an .800+ OPS. A .717 OPS put you in among the top 10 hitting shortstops in baseball.

 

I hate how little Hechavarria produces most of the season and hate him at the plate most of the season, but he is an important player when he gets hot. If he can continue to post seasons like last year where he's near or over a .700 OPS while maintaining top tier defense (which should be expected at this point), he's a long term player for this team. He's not the best player we can possibly put out there, but looking around the league we could do far, far worse. Definitely can't trade Hechavarria given there is no backup plan and he actually produced like a top 10 MLB shortstop last year when defense is accounted for. I think it's reasonable to temper down the hate for Hech.