Regardless of what view you take -- once you cut the supply, it's only a matter of time before the black market for that particular item disappears. 

 

Besides, don't you think the real issue was that this guy got these weapons on a 'clean' record? If you're talking black market, you're asking additional crimes to be committed. So, even if the black market is alive and well, this killer has an additional crime to commit, making him more likely to be apprehended. On the individual scale, that doesn't make a huge difference. But in the grand scope of things, it does. 

 

 

I don't agree with neither the gay or Muslim radical lifestyle.

 

but human life trumps all.

 

Come on Vince, I was starting to like you. 

 

How are you gonna compare radicalized Muslims to gays? That is one terrible analogy.

 

 

Come on Vince, I was starting to like you. 

 

How are you gonna compare radicalized Muslims to gays? That is one terrible analogy.

 

There is no comparison. You're correct. I guess it got misconstrued. I don't support neither at all. This is my stance. But in no way shape form or question did these people deserve what happened. It's a nightmare. This guy was a piece of garbage who yet again was someone who wanted to take people's lives away that wouldn't have made a difference anyway as far people living in fear would have concerned. Killing 50 was not going to solve anything. Idiots, man. As far as the gay community goes, I don't agree with the lifestyle. But that should be separate from the events that took place. Say it was a straight nightclub. The topic of the gay community would still be separate in my eyes because a murderer killed 50 straight people. My stance would stay on the same on this piece of shit. On a down note this stuff will continue to happen if the government doesn't act on this quick.

 

 

Can someone help explain how a lone gunman managed to shoot 1,000+ rounds with a 30 round magazine in under 7 minutes? 

 

Yeah, this.

 

 

You're entitled to your opinion obviously, but why don't you approve of the gay lifestyle? It's okay to have an opinion, but can you support it? Like, at least when you hate on Stanton, it's because he strikes out a lot. What has the gay community done to you?

 

As for the Orlando shooting, yes, it would be equally devastating if 50 straight people were shot dead, but that's not the point. It was a hate crime on the LGBT community so the context is relevant. You can't just dismiss that, and it's bad timing to come in to this thread and say you don't care much for gays. It's insensitive.

 

It's like if a racist shot up a bunch of people of the opposite race, and you came in and said "well, I'm sad that they're dead but I don't care much for that race." 

 

If you value all human life, these are weird things to say.

 

 

I don't think that there is one religion that likes gays. Says a lot about religion.

 

 

I don't think that there is one religion that likes gays. Says a lot about religion.

 

I will answer your longer post soon when I go to lunch. As for this comment, I am Christian. It may have something do with that but not all Christians are the same. It's just how I was raised. I have never called a gay person the f word p word, any of that. It's just the way it is. To each their own. In turn, whatever you feel about the community is your opinion and you will find solace that I respect that too.

 

 

The other talking point should be why "non-violent" or "moderate" Muslims such as this asshole's wife continue to let these types of atrocious things happen without alerting authorities when they are clued in to them.

 

I also agree with this. Now she is trouble too. Indirectly responsible.

 

 

 I have never called a gay person the f word p word, any of that.

 

Congratulations!

 

And I'm glad you're such a forward thinker that "that's how I was raised" is enough justification for your thoughts and opinions. Who would actually want to be their own person? We should all allow ourselves to be molded by thousands of year old doctrine upheld by a group rapt with corruption. They'll know what's best for us. Self actualization is satan talk.

 

 

Congratulations!

 

And I'm glad you're such a forward thinker that "that's how I was raised" is enough justification for your thoughts and opinions. Who would actually want to be their own person? We should all allow ourselves to be molded by thousands of year old doctrine upheld by a group rapt with corruption. They'll know what's best for us. Self actualization is satan talk.

 

*godzilla facepalms* - well I respect your opinion.

 

 

@Nnyhow do you feel about those athletes who say racial or homophobic slurs ? Just wondering.

 

 

Thinking that the fact that it's common place isn't proof of it still being a problem is rather solipsistic thinking.

 

And molded solipsistic thinking is just about the saddest.

 

 

Thinking that the fact that it's common place isn't proof of it still being a problem is rather solipsistic thinking.

 

And molded solipsistic thinking is just about the saddest.

 

Love the wording. Solipsistic. That's actually pretty neat.

 

 

 

I don't see how you can possibly think banning something would lead to its disappearance from the back market. See; literally every good that is illegal. People, drugs, animals, animal parts, weapons, sex, slavery, etc. Please. If the sale of guns were banned the Mexican cartels would celebrate in the streets. I'm not sure you thought that idea through.

 

Was just referring to the 30-40 year mark where a ban on sales would cut the supply chain significantly. The black market will always exist. But you can illegally grow/ cook drugs. Once you stop selling AR-15s, some will break down. Some will be recycled out by the law. Eventually, in order to obtain something like that, you need some cartel connection or what have you. 

 

I still agree though, intelligence is ultimately the best tool we have, and intelligence did fail us to some extent. 

 

 

The major talking point after this event should be regarding the hatred that most Muslims have toward gays.

 

I'm not sure if it was valid but I think they have video of the guy's father saying something like it's god's job to punish homosexuals, not ours. 

 

Which is probably the same way that many christians think, but yeah.

 

 

I don't know anything about that video, but that's not a mainstream position in Islam.

 

Christians are often uncomfortable and non-accepting of gays, but they don't "punish" them like Muslims do. I also sense that many Christian denominations are becoming more accepting of gays. A lot has changed in this country in 10 years.

 

This. And I'm a Christian. Everything you wrote is correct in my view. It is my belief. The Muslim religion believes in taking lives away and while that's upsetting to us, this certain type of religion probably hails this guy as a hero. There will never be peace in this world simply because we hold too many beliefs and opinions about anything. 

 

 

I don't know anything about that video, but that's not a mainstream position in Islam.

 

Christians are often uncomfortable and non-accepting of gays, but they don't "punish" them like Muslims do. I also sense that many Christian denominations are becoming more accepting of gays. A lot has changed in this country in 10 years.

 

Well, I think these two religions aren't as far apart as you're making them out to be. 

 

If Christians did half the shit that the bible says, it'd be pretty similar to the current state of Islam. 

 

 

@Dr Beinfesthow are those you worried for? Are they okay? 

 

 

Christianity has evolved more than Islam has so people don't follow Old Testament scriptures to the letter to the point where they are killing people for being gay, renouncing the religion, or stoning people for adultery.

 

It's dumb to say that Christianity and Islam are pretty similar in 2016 based on the content of their scriptures alone. There is a cultural/sociological dimension that is much more important to consider.

 

I don't think it's *dumb,* just important to highlight the difference between the religion of Islam/Christianity and the culture of Islam/Christianity.

 

The biggest issue Islam has at the moment is the culture. The religion itself... just as shitty as the most of them.

 

 

@Dr Beinfesthow are those you worried for? Are they okay? 

 

The individuals I knew personally were all okay. I was vaguely familiar with two of the deceased. 

 

Thank you for asking.

 

 

The individuals I knew personally were all okay. I was vaguely familiar with two of the deceased. 

 

Thank you for asking.

 

Yeah no sweat. I'm very sorry for this. You got good people here that are here for you.

 

 

Latest is that the shooter tried to buy a vest and bulk ammo from a gun shop and the owner denied it and reported it to the local police.

 

And there's also video of his wife with him when he bought the guns. 

 

 

His ability to buy the AR-15 is one thing... I get how that got passed on.

 

But if he was truly reported to the police... why he *wasn't* reinstated into a surveillance program is beyond me.

 

 

I don't believe Christianity, even during the crusades, ever had anything remotely close to the free 40 virgins x 100 if you blow yourself up during the time of the year where you also starve yourself. Religions all have their deep flaws, but Islam takes it to an extreme.

 

 

Well, I suppose butchering, beheading, and gutting an entire civilization without discrimination of civilian vs. soldier in the name of religion by orders of a man who could supposedly talk to a guy who lives in the clouds is marginally better than blowing yourself up for x amount of virgins.