Reading that Baseball Prospectus post, it's nice to see advanced statistics backing up the argument I've been making all season that our offense has exceeded expectations and is a big reason why we've been as good as we are. Realmuto, Ozuna, Ichiro, Prado, Bour, and Dietrich have all played far better than most people were even hoping they would. The only player on that list that I disagree about is Yelich, whom I've thought was a multiple time All-Star in the waiting for a while now.

 

Surprised to see Adam Conley so low on the list. I thought he's played above expectations personally. His DRA (which basically accounts for things that regular ERA doesn't) is in the upper 4's, while Koehler is showing that he'd be a 5+ pitcher (although advance numbers have been saying this about him every year and are always true. He's a ridiculous anomaly always). 

 

The biggest thing I like that the article affirms is my stance that injuries are not the problem with this team. They can't keep going to the "well, we suffered injuries" well every season to explain problems. There are big problems with the way the team is built that need to be addressed. The rotation still needs a complete overhaul outside of Fernandez and the lineup will need tweaks (with performance going down once guys like Bour/Prado/Ozuna/Realmuto regress to the mean). 

 

Basically, I don't see this team on the up going forward. This season statistically is close to the best that it will perform, meaning the ceiling is around mid 80 wins. If you want to be a perennial playoff contender, it simply has to be better than that.

 

 

Trade Stanton and re-invest the money. 

 

 

Trading Stanton would be dumb and too improbable to even mention.

 

Sometimes I think you try too hard to go against the grain.

 

 

Stanton.

Has.

A.

No.

Trade.

Clause.

 

Fuck.

 

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No trade clause and Loria isn't going to trade away Stanton before the 2017 home run derby. Or trade him after a season where the Marlins appeared to be in a wild card race.

 

It's a dumb thing to say. Almost like something Vince would post.

 

 

Trading Stanton would be dumb and too improbable to even mention.

 

Sometimes I think you try too hard to go against the grain.

 

Ok, let's watch him get injured and be irrelevant again next year. 

 

 

Trade him to the Dodgers. Just because he has a no trade clause doesn't mean he doesn't want to get traded anywhere.

 

We're not getting anything of significance for anyone else. So, everyone thinks the team isn't good enough, but they want to stay with the same team. Talk about dumb.

 

 

Only way to improve the farm system to a respectable level is to trade Stanton for a nice package of young players. Stanton is another injury or two away from being rather irrelevant in terms of value. They should trade him sooner rather than later while the contract still has some cheap years left.

 

Before he becomes Ryan Howard.

 

 

Trade him to the Dodgers. Just because he has a no trade clause doesn't mean he doesn't want to get traded anywhere.

 

We're not getting anything of significance for anyone else. So, everyone thinks the team isn't good enough, but they want to stay with the same team. Talk about dumb.

 

as much as it hurts my heart they should prob trade jose this off season (also cause of another injury that is bound to happen)

 

 

as much as it hurts my heart they should prob trade jose this off season (also cause of another injury that is bound to happen)

 

Fine, trade Jose too. This core isn't going anywhere. They need to start over.

 

 

Also, I couldn't care less about the HR Derby.

 

 

Fine, trade Jose too. This core isn't going anywhere. They need to start over.

 

need to sign TK long term tho. He's the real core. And Capps of course

 

 

Ok, let's watch him get injured and be irrelevant again next year. 

That's besides the point. You don't invest all that money and years into the guy and bail out before he can even bail himself out. You may have a point with what he can bring us back but it's not happening.

That's besides the point. You don't invest all that money and years into the guy and bail out before he can even bail himself out. You may have a point with what he can bring us back but it's not happening.

 

I know it's not happening, but it's what I'd like to happen. We talk about a bunch of stuff on here that is not happening. Firing Mike Hill, for example, is also not happening.

 

 

The Stanton trade isn't happening. But lets for a second play the scenario that was discussed.

 

Obviously Corey Seager is now off the board in any trade talks. He's far too good and a future multiple time all star.

 

 http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-sp-dodgers-dugout-part-3-20151111-htmlstory.html

 

In this article from last year, the names brought up in a Dodgers trade were Yasiel Puig, Julio Urias, and Chris Anderson. The Marlins would definitely want Urias, Puig is available for cheap (although the Mattingly issue is still there), and Anderson is 24 years old and having a poor season in AAA. 

 

Given the trade market at the moment, I'd say it would take 1 established major league, 2 top prospects, and a lower level prospect for the Marlins to see a Stanton trade as equal. Urias would be the established major leaguer. Given the Dodgers minor league system, Jose De Leon (who is pitching great in AAA) and maybe Alex Verdugo or Yusniel Diaz would be the top prospects (young outfielders with high ceilings). Throw in another low level pitching prospect and I think that's the deal.

 

So lets say the Dodgers come to us and say we'll give you Jose Urias, Jose De Leon, Yusniel Diaz and Jacob Rhame for Stanton and another piece (say Dietrich, Hechavarria, or Tom Koehler).

 

Urias joins the rotation as a potential Jose Fernandez 2.0, De Leon is able to join the rotation immediately in 2017, Diaz is a 19-year outfielder who already has a full season experience in A+ ball, and Rhame is another potential MLB arm to throw into the bullpen in 2017. 

 

Who says no here? Likely both teams, but I think in terms of comparable trades this one seems right. 

 

 

Only way to improve the farm system to a respectable level is to trade Stanton for a nice package of young players. Stanton is another injury or two away from being rather irrelevant in terms of value. They should trade him sooner rather than later while the contract still has some cheap years left.

 

Before he becomes Ryan Howard.

 

The injuries are worrisome but not enough to dump him when he's entering his prime years.

 

It makes more sense to trade Jose because he's less likely to sign here anyway.

 

Also public image counts for competitiveness too. Attendance would suffer pretty terribly if they dumped Stanton so early in the contract. And after being in a wild card race.

 

 

Also, I couldn't care less about the HR Derby.

 

Maybe you don't but Loria and a lot of Marlins fans do. That's why it's improbable that Stanton is dumped.

 

 

With all that scenario spelled out it still stands that Stanton's contract is now close to unmovable with the future money looming and an extensive injury history. His value in a trade is still extremely high given 40 home run potential, something only a single handful of guys have in the league anymore. That's why I honestly believe the Dodgers would give up Urias and top prospects to bring a hometown hero in the prime of his career to Los Angeles. The marketing dollars that Stanton would bring is unbelievable (he's not a bad looking guy, he's personable, he's well spoken, and he's from the area). It would more than make up for the back-end contract. It's honestly the perfect place for him to thrive in his career.

 

But it won't happen. Not until that 6th year is looming anyway. I have no doubt going into year 5 that the front office will be shopping his contract and likely find no takers. But right now, especially with the All-Star game coming to Miami, Stanton stays put. Same with Jose.

 

 

I know it's not happening, but it's what I'd like to happen. We talk about a bunch of stuff on here that is not happening. Firing Mike Hill, for example, is also not happening.

 

Firing Mike Hill in the off-season is a 1000x more probable than Stanton being traded. Even though I expect that Hill will stay.

 

 

Maybe you don't but Loria and a lot of Marlins fans do. That's why it's improbable that Stanton is dumped.

 

Then don't complain about the team having no farm system next year.

 

 

Or keep stanton, move ozuna and ramos for a sp, sign fa of, sign hellickson. 

 

More in the line of what I would do.

 

Trade Hechavarria too

 

 

Firing Mike Hill in the off-season is a 1000x more probable than Stanton being traded. Even though I expect that Hill will stay.

 

He's not getting fired this offseason.

 

 

Or keep stanton, move ozuna and ramos for a sp, sign fa of, sign hellickson. 

 

Team would still suck.

 

 

More in the line of what I would do.

 

Trade Hechavarria too

 

Too late to trade Hechavarria. He has no value now. He should've been traded last offseason like I said.

 

 

Then don't complain about the team having no farm system next year.

 

I can still complain about that because I opposed the San Diego trades and drafting Kolek.

 

Also sometimes people just need to accept the fact that a historically bad farm system cannot be remedied over night.