He's not getting fired this offseason.

 

And Stanton isn't getting traded. But one is still infinitely more plausible than the other.

 

 

I can still complain about that because I opposed the San Diego trades and drafting Kolek.

 

Also sometimes people just need to accept the fact that a historically bad farm system cannot be remedied over night.

 

What's done is done. How do you improve the system as quickly as possible moving forward? Not by trading Ozuna, that's for sure. 

 

 

Nah. It would be a decent team.  

 

Would be a mediocre .500 team again. So yeah, pretty decent if you're into that sort of thing. 

 

How many years is this core going to do the same thing before we realize that it's never going to work this way? 

 

This team needs more than a few changes. Relying on no injuries through the course of a season to sneak into a second wild card is not the way to build a team.

 

 

Move Scruggs to left

 

Move Yelich to first.

 

Trade Bour and Ozuna.

 

Trade Ramos.

 

Stick someone in center.  

 

Get rid of losers Dee Gordon and Hechavarria.

 

 

And Stanton isn't getting traded. But one is still infinitely more plausible than the other.

 

You're right. There's like a 0% chance Stanton gets traded and maybe a 1% chance Mike Hill gets fired. Let's talk about the latter because you think you're the dictator of the board.

 

 

They can't focus on rebuilding the farm by trading mlb talent right now. This is their "window to compete."

 

They gave it a try this year and it didn't work. It's not going to work. They need to build a new window.

 

 

What's done is done. How do you improve the system as quickly as possible moving forward? Not by trading Ozuna, that's for sure. 

 

By getting a new GM who actually knows how to draft. A GM who doesn't buy high and sell low.

 

Don't make moves like the Cashner trade that require trading away the farm for players who don't even offer much of an upgrade over internal options.

 

Trade Jose for young talent.

 

Otherwise patience.

 

 

I forgot to add ......get rid of Preston Wilson and Eduardo Perez.

 

 

I forgot to add ......get rid of Preston Wilson and Eduardo Perez.

 

The first thing I would do in the offseason.

 

 

You're right. There's like a 0% chance Stanton gets traded and maybe a 1% chance Mike Hill gets fired. Let's talk about the latter because you think you're the dictator of the board.

 

No, let's talk about Hill getting fired because at least half of the board members here want him fired.

 

Only you and Vince want Stanton traded.

 

Quit being a clown.

 

 

The marlins would probably gain a win or two by doing this. Thats how bad these guys are.

 

The players probably play worse by having to sit with them on the team plane.

 

Eduardo's voice probably messes with their psychology.

 

 

I can still complain about that because I opposed the San Diego trades and drafting Kolek.

 

Also sometimes people just need to accept the fact that a historically bad farm system cannot be remedied over night.

 

I'll disagree with this sentiment 100% and provide two examples from within our own division. The Atlanta Braves and the Washington Nationals. Both had bottom 10 farm systems in baseball going into 2014. This is around the same time (a tiny bit earlier) when the Marlins farm system when in the tank. The Marlins were generally ranked slightly below the Nationals and above the Braves in terms of farm systems. 

 

The Braves went full rebuild to get that farm system back. They traded for Dansby Swanson in one of the most lopsided deals in recent history. They acquired top 20 pitching prospect Sean Newcomb with their first round pick in 2014. Ozzie Albies was acquired as an international signing. Kolby Allard is killing it as their first round pick in 2015. All top 100 prospects now.

 

In 2014, the Nationals were considered to have a system that had Lucas Giolito and absolutely nothing else. Similar to where we are now, they had a good major league squad and a dead farm. What did they do? Trea Turner in 2014 with the late 1st rounder. Erick Fedde with their other first rounder. Victor Robles with their international signing. Carter Kieboom with a damn good start with their 1st rounder this year. They've also hit with their international players.

 

It can be done. You have to hit on those draft picks. THAT is the #1 place where the Marlins have failed the last four years. Failing on every first round pick following Heaney has been a huge blunder for this franchise and has set the farm system back horribly. Obviously the later picks haven't worked either, but looking around the league that happens to most teams. Drafting is a problem. I stand by my statement that if the scouting department hasn't had a complete rehaul within the past few years, it is in desperate need of one. 

 

 

No, let's talk about Hill getting fired because at least half of the board members here want him fired.

 

Only you and Vince want Stanton traded.

 

Quit being a clown.

 

I can talk about whatever the fuck I want to talk about.

 

 

I think I've earned a reputation on this board at least of being not Vince. I don't even dislike Stanton.

 

 

What's done is done. How do you improve the system as quickly as possible moving forward? Not by trading Ozuna, that's for sure. 

 

Trade ozuna for a #3ish SP (Is paxton still available?) to cleve or or seattle. Sign Fowler. Find a real platoon partner for Bour instead of another vet in decline. The middle infield is a disaster i dont know how to fix.

 

 

Trade ozuna for a #3ish SP (Is paxton still available?) to cleve or or seattle. Sign Fowler. Find a real platoon partner for Bour instead of another vet in decline. The middle infield is a disaster i dont know how to fix.

 

We keep saying trade Ozuna for a pitcher like that with upside, but there's no guarantee that the other team would be interested in such a thing.

 

The trade rumors last offseason with Cleveland were unrealistic. 

 

 

We keep saying trade Ozuna for a pitcher like that with upside, but there's no guarantee that the other team would be interested in such a thing.

 

The trade rumors last offseason with Cleveland were unrealistic. 

 

Ozuna has an .800 OPS this season. Among outfielders that puts him right in line with Jay Bruce. Bruce was just traded this deadline and netted what I would describe as a not so great return. Lets keep in mind here that Bruce is on a $51 million contract and is 29 while Ozuna is arbitration-eligible for the first time in 2017. Ozuna's value is greater than that of Bruce's.  

 

That said I'm worried what the return would be. The market is saturated with top outfielders for the best team's to sign. Bautista, Cespedes, Reddick, Fowler, Trumbo, etc... are all free agents and available to sign without giving up prospects. Team's won't be fighting to trade for Ozuna when there are better and more reliable options available to sign in a bidding war. 

 

If Ozuna were to get traded, it wouldn't be until late in the process (so possibly even close to spring training). It's tough to gauge at the moment what his value would be, but I don't think it is as high as some people on this board believe it is. 

 

 

I don't believe that Ozuna's value is incredibly high, but it's hard to assume that it will ever be higher than this.

 

 

They gave it a try this year and it didn't work. It's not going to work. They need to build a new window.

But they got close enough for four months so they'll keep trying. They're pretty obviously in a push forward not backwards mode. Some changes will be made in the offseason with the intent of improving. There's no point in them going backwards at this point. And Hill probably won't be going anywhere but it wouldn't surprise me if he does because he's clearly the next casualty of Loria's rages.

How would you feel about your cousin being gay? Do you like wrasslin? What importance do you place on culture in a group of 25 men? 

I wanna hate you.

Ozuna has an .800 OPS this season. Among outfielders that puts him right in line with Jay Bruce. Bruce was just traded this deadline and netted what I would describe as a not so great return. Lets keep in mind here that Bruce is on a $51 million contract and is 29 while Ozuna is arbitration-eligible for the first time in 2017. Ozuna's value is greater than that of Bruce's.  

 

That said I'm worried what the return would be. The market is saturated with top outfielders for the best team's to sign. Bautista, Cespedes, Reddick, Fowler, Trumbo, etc... are all free agents and available to sign without giving up prospects. Team's won't be fighting to trade for Ozuna when there are better and more reliable options available to sign in a bidding war. 

 

If Ozuna were to get traded, it wouldn't be until late in the process (so possibly even close to spring training). It's tough to gauge at the moment what his value would be, but I don't think it is as high as some people on this board believe it is. 

 

Ozuna plays center field so hes actually pretty rare.  Sure people will target Fowler in FA but it's not the same as the others.

 

 

According to penguino, the trade Stanton opinion is so dumb that only Vince and me would think about it thus it's not even worth discussing.

 

Yet, 10 people have voted in the "should we trade Stanton" thread and half of them said yes in the poll. Hmmm.

 

 

I bet the results would be different if voting weren't anonymous.

 

 

I bet the results would be different if voting weren't anonymous.

 

Sucks to be wrong, doesn't it?

 

 

People are frustrated with Stanton and I get it.  But trading him now would definitely be selling low. so I am highly against it.