Whatever happened to them pursuing a GM. Wasn't Jim McHendry a serious candidate? 

 

That's an item on the McDonalds secret menu maybe. I think you mean Jim Hendry.

 

 

Whenever I read an article about what the Marlins are doing, I feel like if you replaced every use of the words "Miami Marlins" with "Boston Red Sox" or "Chicago Cubs" or "St Louis Cardinals" that the media and fanbase would react so differently to the exact same moves." So much of this bias is because it's the Marlins. 

 

 

Whenever I read an article about what the Marlins are doing, I feel like if you replaced every use of the words "Miami Marlins" with "Boston Red Sox" or "Chicago Cubs" or "St Louis Cardinals" that the media and fanbase would react so differently to the exact same moves." So much of this bias is because it's the Marlins. 

 

"The Chicago Cubs traded Giancarlo Stanton today" would just be factually inaccurate.

 

 

Whatever happened to them pursuing a GM. Wasn't Jim McHendry a serious candidate? 

 

The Hendry thing was just speculation. They never actually said they were pursuing someone to replace Hill. That was just assumed when they started making changes in the front office.

 

With that said, they still don't have A "general manager." That position has been vacant since Dan Jennings became manager. Hill and the assistant GMs have assumed the GM duties in combination with each other. 

 

 

"The Chicago Cubs traded Giancarlo Stanton today" would just be factually inaccurate.

 

Can I punch you? 

 

You know what I meant.

 

 

Whenever I read an article about what the Marlins are doing, I feel like if you replaced every use of the words "Miami Marlins" with "Boston Red Sox" or "Chicago Cubs" or "St Louis Cardinals" that the media and fanbase would react so differently to the exact same moves." So much of this bias is because it's the Marlins. 

 

The difference is that those teams have earned the benefit of the doubt.

 

 

The difference is that those teams have earned the benefit of the doubt.

 

"Benefit of the doubt" is totally an opinion. It's biased and wrong. "Benefit of the doubt" is simply a choice on whether or not you wanna believe something or someone. There is no actual difference between any of those teams and the Marlins as far as taking the same steps to rebuilding. 

 

This is like asking what's 2+2 and when the other teams say 4 everyone says "correct!" and if the Marlins say 4 everyone says "hmm, not sure, let me double check and get back to you." 

 

 

"Benefit of the doubt" is totally an opinion. It's biased and wrong. "Benefit of the doubt" is simply a choice on whether or not you wanna believe something or someone. There is no actual difference between any of those teams and the Marlins as far as taking the same steps to rebuilding. 

 

This is like asking what's 2+2 and when the other teams say 4 everyone says "correct!" and if the Marlins say 4 everyone says "hmm, not sure, let me double check and get back to you." 

 

I meant benefit of the doubt for their motives. Benefit of the doubt that they can do it right.  Maybe I should have used the word credibility instead.  

 

 

In some ways, this (firesale) hurts worse than the other two, as at least in the first two cases, they were coming off World Series titles.

 

What??? A puzzling quote from Jon Heyman, who usually knows better. In my opinion, this fire sale hurts less than the other two because of our string of losing seasons and our playoff drought. That easily justifies the rebuild more than a recent World Series win. 

 

 

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/marlins-not-following-path-of-astros-10059679

 

The 2017 version of the Marlins finished with a 77-85 record behind manager Don Mattingly. It was an interesting team, featuring the most talented, most exciting player in baseball — outfielder and 2017 NL MVP Giancarlo Stanton. Outfielders Christian Yelich and Marcel Ozuna and second baseman Dee Gordon were also top class talents. It could perhaps be argued that the team underperformed its talent, but the people of Miami could be excused for thinking that, behind a new ownership group run by a legend like Jeter, that a team able to compete for the playoffs was right around the corner.

 

There could be an argument made that the Marlins are attempting to do what the Astros did and do a complete rebuild that stocks the team with lots and lots of young talent. But the Astros never had players like Stanton to trade, and the return for players like Hunter Pence was never as bad as what the Marlins have gotten back. The Astros undertook the rebuild because Drayton McLane had let the team rot. The stars were aging and the minors were bereft of talent. The Marlins might not have the worlds’s best farm system, but there’s no argument that the talent level of the Marlins roster was far superior to the talent level of the Astros team purchased by Jim Crane.

 

Reports have surfaced in Miami that the Jeter ownership group purchased the Marlins with the plan to slash payroll, and that MLB knew of this in advance yet still approved the sale. It’s also been reported that the ownership group was severely underfunded and that MLB still approved the deal, knowing as a result that the underfunded club would have to severely cut payroll to meet expenses and to pay off debt. (This was part of a contentious ESPN Radio interview between MLB commissioner Rob Manfred and host Dan La Betard)

 

The Astros did not expend a lot of money on player salaries after Crane purchased the team. The decision was made that the team could not continue to follow the route that had been paved by McLane. The team would not spend wildly on free agency. It would not depend on aging veterans. The decision was made to be bad instead of mediocre because being mediocre meant wasting money on veterans who would be gone in a year or two. That money was better spend loading up the farm system and signing up talent. The players would all come up to the majors around the same time, the team would be good, and it would win titles. It was a risk, but when a team is void of talent from the low minors to the big club, risks have to be taken.

 

Who knows what happens if Crane would have purchased a team with Stanton and Gordon and Ozuna. But he has shown that he will spend money, and he has shown that if there are available vets who will help the team win, then the Astros will go get those players.

 

We do know what is happening in Miami. It is not what happened with the Astros, and any comparisons to what the Astros did should be summarily dismissed. The Astros had a plan to get better. The Marlins have a plan to slash costs and pay off debts. 

 

 

More biased articles because it's the cool thing to do with the Marlins these days. 

 

 

Unless my memory is off, he did say this from the beginning. That it was about building something that can be sustainable and a winner for a long time. That means building from within.

 

Bald Pajaro what was there was built from within...Mike Hill alone crapped all over it. He is still around even though he made the bad free agent signings and gave away the Farm with crappy trades. Maybe Loria could have directed him to try to win now but Hill is the one who fucked up the trades...

 

I will say it again....The loss of Jose Fernandez changed everything  for this franchise

 

The FO panicked and tried to overcorrect

 

 

I don't like showing that I am Bilingual but I enjoy the hell out of screwing with you Bald Pajaro

 

If I am not mistaken  Jeter spoke about creating a successful formula for Baseball in South Florida but I think he has been watching a bit too much Fixer Upper and that mantra 77 wins does not work....If they were complaining about poor attendance wait until next few seasons when there will be more people  manning the concession stands than those buying from them and you will be able to hear Marlins Man Fart  if you are sitting in the Bleachers....I think that it will be very hard coming back from this..Sherman/Jeter may have actually  killed off Baseball in South Florida. Anybody interested in some Las Vegas Marlins Jerseys  I am having made?... I will always be a Marlins Fan but I fear I am  in danger of extinction

 

 

Nobody has killed off baseball in South Florida. We have a new ballpark and it's literally not possible for the team to relocate for a long time to come. This is not like the Expos situation, why do people over react and think they're the same. 

 

 

Nobody has killed off baseball in South Florida. We have a new ballpark and it's literally not possible for the team to relocate for a long time to come. This is not like the Expos situation, why do people over react and think they're the same. 

 

Yea this team have a new ballpark and couldn't relocate for many years to come due to the treaties with this city,but if they keep this ballpark empty and lost lots of money then it's possible the mlb would eliminate this team directly…

 

 

t's possible the mlb would eliminate this team directly…

 

Maybe the 25th time someone says it will be the charm. They aren't being contracted, mlb doesn't contract teams.

 

 

What is the Deal?  We are the Houston Astros of the future?  If the New Ownership thinks we are bleeding money now wait until they see attendance figure for the next 2 years! I know they have the balls to say they are going to build it right this time. It has already been done right before. It was done right by Dombrowski and it was done right by Beinfest it was never given a chance to become sustaining .  I disagree with the premise the Marlins can't leave because of Stadium commitments If they lose enough money and Las Vegas, New Orleans or Billings Montana offers them a deal sweet enough they are gone! There is a reason why there are more lawyers than words in the dictionary... Let them deal with it. What is the window Jeter is looking for in a turnaround? He will not commit to any, If in 5 years they are still losing money do they blow it up again or will we be a Farm team for everyone else? For sure they would leave given the chance

 

 

What is the Deal?  We are the Houston Astros of the future?  If the New Ownership thinks we are bleeding money now wait until they see attendance figure for the next 2 years! I know they have the balls to say they are going to build it right this time. It has already been done right before. It was done right by Dombrowski and it was done right by Beinfest it was never given a chance to become sustaining .  I disagree with the premise the Marlins can't leave because of Stadium commitments If they lose enough money and Las Vegas, New Orleans or Billings Montana offers them a deal sweet enough they are gone! There is a reason why there are more lawyers than words in the dictionary... Let them deal with it. What is the window Jeter is looking for in a turnaround? He will not commit to any, If in 5 years they are still losing money do they blow it up again or will we be a Farm team for everyone else? For sure they would leave given the chance

 

They signed a 30 year lease.  I don't think any lawyer is going to make a difference.  The city and county have plenty of good lawyers also.  Plus, contrary to how the Marlins operate, SFLA is one of the largest TV markets in the country.  Plus, the market is still growing.  I understand the frustration, trust me I do.  I just don't see them leaving as a realistic option.

 

 

Odds are attendance won't be much lower than it was last season. That's the sad reality of the attendance before this firesale.

 

Didn't average 10k per game much lower than last season !?

 

 

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Adding at least two elite FA SP and got it DONE.

 

 

Keeping everyone and adding 2 ace-type starters like say Darvish and Arrieta which is who I assume you mean @taiwanmarlin would bring payroll to a number approaching 200 million. Not to mention those would be risky longterm deals as well. How does that make any sense for a team that is $400 million in debt already?

 

It doesnt.  Any one claiming we should have kept it together and just add pitching has no idea what theyre talking about.

 

 

Remember,fire sale didn't the best choice for other bidders but the only choice for Jeter…

 

 

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That's so depressing.... I wasn't even aware of how good the defense was.

 

I don't care about Jeter or the fact that he shouldn't have been awarded the team. I just want them to do whatever the hell it is they want to do competently. I hope that's not too much to ask for..

 

 

I don't care about Jeter or the fact that he shouldn't have been awarded the team. I just want them to do whatever the hell it is they want to do competently. I hope that's not too much to ask for..

 

This really should be the motto of every single Marlins fan now even those opposed to Jeter. 

 

As for the defense, Perry Hill and Lorenzo Bundy deserve bonuses.