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Baseball analysts are pretty much all in agreement: the Marlins had to do it.


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But many analysts I have heard also agree that they did poorly in what they got in return.  We all pretty much understood the inevitable, but we had hope that the old method of getting mediocre returns, relative to what many thought was a fair or good return, would end.  So yea, we had to do it but....we did it poorly.

 

 

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I like how what?  2 analysts are used in the entire article.

 

Marlins also have done a ridiculously shitty job of conveying what their actual plan is to whatever fan base still exists.

 

Marlins keeping Mike Hill essentially says they arent serious about any real rebuild or any change in true philosophy.  

 

He was at the helm of the shitty drafts, the shitty player development Clark states as a reason they are in the situation they are in.  

 

So let's keep the man in charge.  Wise idea.

 

 

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I like how what?  2 analysts are used in the entire article.

 

Marlins also have done a ridiculously shitty job of conveying what their actual plan is to whatever fan base still exists.

 

Marlins keeping Mike Hill essentially says they arent serious about any real rebuild or any change in true philosophy.  

 

He was at the helm of the shitty drafts, the shitty player development Clark states as a reason they are in the situation they are in.  

 

So let's keep the man in charge.  Wise idea.

 

Yeah, it was pretty much just Phillips with a couple of quotes from Bowden and Lowell.  I guess that's most of them. LOL. 

 

 

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An amazing excerpt from this article:

 

“To recap: The White Sox received more players who ranked in the top three of a league-wide prospect list than the Marlins received who ranked in the top three of an organization-wide list.”

 

 

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https://www.mlb.com/news/yankees-stanton-judge-show-will-amaze/c-263667882

 

I have no problem with writers making articles drooling over what the Yankees can be in 2018 but, as Marlins fans, we know how quickly all of that can vanish with one pull of a muscle, one sophomore slump, etc etc. Just imagine the uproar if Stanton can't play a full season again. 

 

 

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The Santana contract was a joke. The Phillies right now don't have much starting pitching at all. They grossly overpaid for a bullpen.

 

I want nothing for the best for Stanton but we got rid of him at the proper time. First time being healthy since 2014 and his value was good. The no trade clause is what killed us.

 

 

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An amazing excerpt from this article:

 

“To recap: The White Sox received more players who ranked in the top three of a league-wide prospect list than the Marlins received who ranked in the top three of an organization-wide list.”

 

What a stupid fucking excerpt that is.  The White Sox also traded 3 guys with much more value than anyone we've traded thus far in Sale, Eaton, and Quintana.

 

 

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 The White Sox also traded 3 guys with much more value than anyone we’ve traded thus far in Sale, Eaton, and Quintana.

 

Gordon had a 3.3 WAR

 

Quintana had a 3.9 WAR

 

Ozuna 4.8 WAR

 

Eaton 6.2 WAR

 

And then there was the NL MVP guy that we chose SALARY DUMP instead of kicking in a reasonable amount of money to get better prospects.  

 

 

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Gordon had a 3.3 WAR

 

Quintana had a 3.9 WAR

 

Ozuna 4.8 WAR

 

Eaton 6.2 WAR

 

And then there was the NL MVP guy that we chose SALARY DUMP instead of kicking in a reasonable amount of money to get better prospects.  

 

Value isnt solely a WAR thing.  Quintana had several years of team control at a very reduced price.  Adam Eaton had 5 years of team control at a very reduced level considering he is one of the best outfielders in all of baseball.  And Sale, who you  ignored, was coming off 3 years of 5.2, 6.1, and 5.1 WAR respectively and had 3 years of team control at one of the biggest bargain contracts in the league that not including guys still on their rookie deals.  Hence why Yelich and Realmuto, especially Yelich, have a huge amount of value.

 

And we had 2 deals we liked more that might not have been salary dumps, we got fucked that he only gave us a list of 4 teams and only one of them was seriously interested.

 

 

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Absolutely it had to be done. Jeter just communicated it terribly. Too much talk about the money. Should have said from day one that the goal is not to lower payroll but build a monster farm system. They did not do that when they started but instead said they want to "retool" around yelich and ozuna.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederickson/benfred-miami-report-reveals-marlins-plan-trade-stanton-keep-yelich/article_5fdf1f30-b6d3-5f93-9b68-388cba70690f.html

 

So why claim that first and then do the tear down anyway?  The group never should have talked about the money and not talk about retooling but instead say right away that the goal is to build a monster farm.

 

Of course they really need to save money but they could have done that as a byproduct (see the Phillies or astros who both had super low payroils even without salary dump trading.

 

Together with small things like not bidding for ohtani due to the posting fee (which is a real cost but small compared to his actual surplus value- and they wouldn't have gotten him anyway made it seem to the fans and media.

 

Most analysts thought that the rebuild needs to be done they just do not trust Jeter as the right person to do it.

 

 

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Unless my memory is off, he did say this from the beginning. That it was about building something that can be sustainable and a winner for a long time. That means building from within.

 

absolutely he did, but keeping Mike Hill is the part that is seriously messed up...he is at the least partially if not mostly responsible for the shitty position this team was/still is in. 

 

 

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