Marlins to honor Jose in some fashion

[SonOfJack]

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[SilverBullet]

This is excellent... not just because they are doing "something" for Jose but because I trust Jeter to honor him better and in a more appropriate way than Loria would have.

 

Jeter, as an outsider with no emotional attachment to Jose, will honor him but will be more sensitive to the drug and alcohol issue, the death of the other two people, and the fact that Jose "was just here for a few seasons."

 

Can't wait to see what this finally becomes. 

 

 

[SilverBullet]

If they're not gonna retire 16 I could see the number being taken out of circulation for a period of time. It would be odd to see someone wearing it any time in the next couple of seasons. 

 

 

[Uncle Leo]

If they're not gonna retire 16 I could see the number being taken out of circulation for a period of time. It would be odd to see someone wearing it any time in the next couple of seasons. 

 

More than that, do you think anyone would really want that number any time soon?

 

I think a plaque somewhere in the stadium sounds about right. It's a tricky situation for Jeter. Do nothing or too little and he's cold and Marlins don't care. Do too much and you think he might be overcompensating for something and irk the people upset about the death of 2 others and DUI situation, etc.

 

 

[SilverBullet]

More than that, do you think anyone would really want that number any time soon?

 

I'd say no but you never know about some player who loved Jose and wants to wear it to honor him. But even in that situation it'd be too soon for that. 

 

 

[fish20]

You do something small like a little plaque outside the stadium or something.  A statue and a number retirement would be horrible for quite a few reasons.

 

 

[SonOfJack]

Discussions regarding how to honor pitcher Jose Fernandez are ongoing. He and two other men died in a boat accident in 2016, and an investigation determined Fernandez was the probable driver, with drugs and alcohol factors in the crash. "It's a tricky situation because there are other people who lost their lives," Jeter said. "But we're in constant communication with Jose's family, and we will honor Jose and what he has meant to this organization in the near-term future."

 

ESPN

 

 

[Rydawg]

ESPN

 

I don't understand how honoring Jose would be insulting to the other families.  Jose didn't murder anyone.  It was an accident and while his actions might have been stupid and reckless the other two guys went with him voluntarily.  They were just as much at fault as Jose was for participating. 

 

Either way, we would be honoring Jose for his play and passion on the field as a baseball player.  It's not like we are giving him a humanitarian award.  

 

In all honesty, if they are going to do something small they might as well not do anything. Just my two cents on it.

 

 

[SonOfJack]

In all honesty, if they are going to do something small they might as well not do anything. Just my two cents on it.

 

Fair opinion. What do you think they should do?

 

 

[Rydawg]

Fair opinion. What do you think they should do?

 

I'm all for the statue or retiring the number or both. If you are going to do it, then do it right.  If he goes small the haters (I guess I'm included in that) are going to come out in full force. 

 

That's why I think his two options are big or not at all.  If he does nothing no one will probably even think twice about it.

 

 

[Rydawg]

If Jose somehow emerged as the sole survivor of the wreck, he probably would have been hit with manslaughter charges. At least most individuals would be who don't have celebrity status.

 

I'm not a legal expert but I don't think that's a given.  If Jose would have killed someone outside of his boat he would definitely get the manslaughter charges. I think that the other two being wilful participants inside the boat would not have brought those charges.  I could be wrong though. 

 

 

[Entendu]

I don't think you could give any one of those guys on the boat a label that the other two don't deserve as well. Regardless of the law, they were all intoxicated on a boat, eating shit like typical Miami douchebags. They were all stupid, and none of them were less of a victim (or complicit) than the others.

 

 

[SilverBullet]

I don't like calling Jose a murderer and I blame the other two just as much but it was Jose's boat and the reports conclude him as the driver at the time of the crash so legally he's the one who is "most" at fault. To me that's the reason this is a complicated situation and it's the reason anyone who wants to show anger towards Jose will do so.

 

If somehow Jose was proven as not being the driver then that would change everything. 

 

 

[Rydawg]

I think it would've brought civil suits for sure and an MLB suspension but yeah criminality is a question mark.

 

I agree.  Civil suit simply because he owned the boat.  As the owner he is responsible for damages.  Even if someone else were driving he would have been responsible for the damages.  Suspension? Without a doubt.  As I said, he was stupid and reckless as can be many young people due to immaturity but that doesn't take from his accomplishments on the baseball diamond.

 

 

[Rydawg]

I don't like calling Jose a murderer and I blame the other two just as much but it was Jose's boat and the reports conclude him as the driver at the time of the crash so legally he's the one who is "most" at fault. To me that's the reason this is a complicated situation and it's the reason anyone who wants to show anger towards Jose will do so.

 

If somehow Jose was proven as not being the driver then that would change everything. 

 

I get that it's complicated off of the field but that doesn't take away anything from what he meant to fans on field.  I view it as two different things but I understand your point.

 

 

[SilverBullet]

I get that it's complicated off of the field but that doesn't take away anything from what he meant to fans on field.  I view it as two different things but I understand your point.

 

I do think they're different but your opinion and mine won't stop stupid people outside of the fanbase. 

 

 

[fish20]

I'm not a legal expert but I don't think that's a given.  If Jose would have killed someone outside of his boat he would definitely get the manslaughter charges. I think that the other two being wilful participants inside the boat would not have brought those charges.  I could be wrong though. 

 

If it's his boat and he was driving and they could prove he was driving and the toxicology reports are correct and those text messages were brought to show that Jose was upset and wanted to go on the boat and that they were trying to calm him down, he absolutely would have been given manslaughter charges.  Going on a boat with someone is not the same as consenting or encouraging someone to do cocaine and drive recklessly while drunk.  If the facts that are public were pretty much the story, that's manslaughter.

 

Source- law school.

 

Edit- Actually, the text messages didnt matter.  If it could be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he was driving and the toxicology reports were correct he would have been charged theoretically before we get into the celebrity aspect of whether he would have been charged, but he likely would have been charged.

 

 

[fish20]

I get that it's complicated off of the field but that doesn't take away anything from what he meant to fans on field.  I view it as two different things but I understand your point.

 

I see your point, but just from a PR perspective you cant really put up a statue or something celebrating a guy whose actions led to the death of 2 other people. You can tell people that they are celebrating the ball player and what he meant to the organization, but its hard to just tell people to view the statue in terms of the ball player without considering his actions.

 

 

[el_gmac]

Jose is gone, let's move on why they keep bringing the idea to honor him

 

 

[DTrain]

Jose Fernandez isn’t OJ Simpson.  

 

He did not intentionally kill anyone. He used terrible judgement (as those in their 20’s sometimes do) and it cost him and two others their lives.

 

He didn’t hold a gun to their head and demand they get on a boat (at night and after drinking).  Their judgement was poor as well.  

 

A well thought out plaque inside the stadium would be very appropriate. He was a top 5 all time Marlin fan favorite.

 

A 17 foot statue outside is probably a bit much considering the circumstances of his death. 

 

Having nothing in the ballpark memorializing Jose is ridiculous. 

 

 

[SilverBullet]

Jose Fernandez isn’t OJ Simpson.  

 

He did not intentionally kill anyone. He used terrible judgement (as those in their 20’s sometimes do) and it cost him and two others their lives.

 

He didn’t hold a gun to their head and demand they get on a boat (at night and after drinking).  Their judgement was poor as well.  

 

A well thought out plaque inside the stadium would be very appropriate. He was a top 5 all time Marlin fan favorite.

 

A 17 foot statue outside is probably a bit much considering the circumstances of his death. 

 

Having nothing in the ballpark memorializing Jose is ridiculous. 

 

This sums it up quite well. 

 

 

[CYmarlins]

The plaque is fine. Considering there was suppose to be something for him going on in the 2017 ASG and there was absolutely. This is a nice jesture by the current ownership. I don't think they should go all out. I would say his number 16 is gonna be unofficially retired for the forseeable future.

 

 

[Rydawg]

I see your point, but just from a PR perspective you cant really put up a statue or something celebrating a guy whose actions led to the death of 2 other people. You can tell people that they are celebrating the ball player and what he meant to the organization, but its hard to just tell people to view the statue in terms of the ball player without considering his actions.

 

In my opinion, the people that blame Jose, namely friends and family of the other deceased individuals, aren't going to be happy with any kind of recognition.  Even a plaque and a ceremony will probably offend them. That's why I think they should honor him with a statue regardless.  The Marlins are never going to appease those people anyway.  I do understand why the families might feel like they do.  I'm not trying to dimish their pain but I think they are too close to the situation to have an unbiased opinion.  Either way it's a tough situation.  I won't criticize whatever they end up doing.

 

 

[SilverBullet]

I won't criticize whatever they end up doing.

 

Pfft... a true Marlins fan criticizes everything they do.

 

Am I right Barry Jackson?

 

 

[fish20]

In my opinion, the people that blame Jose, namely friends and family of the other deceased individuals, aren't going to be happy with any kind of recognition.  Even a plaque and a ceremony will probably offend them. That's why I think they should honor him with a statue regardless.  The Marlins are never going to appease those people anyway.  I do understand why the families might feel like they do.  I'm not trying to dimish their pain but I think they are too close to the situation to have an unbiased opinion.  Either way it's a tough situation.  I won't criticize whatever they end up doing.

 

The families wont be happy with any kind of recognition, but that doesnt make it ok to put up a mural/statue to a guy whose actions directly led to 3 lives being lost including his own.  A statue is a horrific idea.  You can give him a small little honor as some way of showing appreciation to what he did on the field and how he played, but whether you like it or not a statue is much more of an honor directed towards the entire being of a human being and that should not be done for Jose.