The Rays were going to do it regardless of how good there pitching staff is. And just to be clear I don't think we should go a new pitcher every innings. I just thinking having a bunch of long guys in the pen, and restrict innings for starters to 2 times through the order can be successful. And considering how many prospects we have who are fine, i think it would make our pitching staff better over all.

 

I have two major problems with the bullpen thing:

 

1.) You are going to burn out your pitchers pretty damn fast.

 

2.) When you are using so many pitchers, someone is bound to be off. I am actually a pretty big analytics guy, but in this case, I don't care what the analytics say: sometimes, a pitcher just doesn't have it that night. When you run out a whole bunch of pitchers in one game, you are increasing your odds of that happening.

 

I just don't think it's a good way to build your team.

 

 

When you are using so many pitchers, someone is bound to be off. I am actually a pretty big analytics guy, but in this case, I don't care what the analytics say: sometimes, a pitcher just doesn't have it that night. When you run out a whole bunch of pitchers in one game, you are increasing your odds of that happening.

 

This right here makes so much sense.

 

 

This right here makes so much sense.

 

It does,  but the number of pitchers doesn't have to increase significantly. You can have several guys capable of going 3-5 innings (1-2 times through the order). By focusing more on times through the order instead of innings pitched you can maximize the effectiveness of different guys. If you build a pitching staff more traditionally you are more reliant on every starter having a good day. You are sharing the burden of success rather than increasing problems.

 

 

It does,  but the number of pitchers doesn't have to increase significantly. You can have several guys capable of going 3-5 innings (1-2 times through the order). By focusing more on times through the order instead of innings pitched you can maximize the effectiveness of different guys. If you build a pitching staff more traditionally you are more reliant on every starter having a good day. You are sharing the burden of success rather than increasing problems.

 

Didn't the Marlins attempt to try this 2 years ago when they went for a super bullpen because their starting pitch depth was weak?

 

 

Didn't the Marlins attempt to try this 2 years ago when they went for a super bullpen because their starting pitch depth was weak?

 

They didn't do it though. They didn't follow through. The Rays did it. actually pulled guys. lived by the 2 times through the order rule. Teams did it this year and were successful. 

 

 

They didn't do it though. They didn't follow through. The Rays did it. actually pulled guys. lived by the 2 times through the order rule. Teams did it this year and were successful. 

 

 

 

Didn't the Marlins attempt to try this 2 years ago when they went for a super bullpen because their starting pitch depth was weak?

 

 

 

 

 

Not to mention, our "super bullpen" wasn't super at anything but giving up runs...

 

 

It worked! The Rays won 90 games, when was the last time we won 90 games. The Brewers are in the playoffs and won the central. I think the evidence has already been shown to work. Reduce the amount of times players see your pitchers the better they do. Period. We have examples of other organizations who did it and it worked well.

 

These crazy ideas are what's wrong with baseball.  Sports in general needs star power to be successful.  If you want people to watch the games in person or on TV, you need to have players they will fall in love with like Jose Fernandez. 

 

If players are interchangeable, fans won't have anyone to identify with and won't get behind the team. This is why I have a problem with all of this sabermeterics stuff.  Theses aren't math problems, these are baseball games and even though it's about winning, making it about just numbers will kill the game.  

 

 

The Rays were going to do it regardless of how good there pitching staff is. And just to be clear I don't think we should go a new pitcher every innings. I just thinking having a bunch of long guys in the pen, and restrict innings for starters to 2 times through the order can be successful. And considering how many prospects we have who are fine, i think it would make our pitching staff better over all.

 

Not disagreeing with you but the extent to the Rays bullpen project was altered when Honeywell and De Leon were lost to TJ surgury during spring training.  They seemed prepared to go into the season with those two, Eovaldi; Archer, and Snell as a four man rotation plus one bullpen day.  Then injuries mounted and the bullpen thing escalated 

 

 

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