Which one?

 

JJ

 

 

Btw Twins named Baldelli as a new manager. He has not been a manager both minor and major since retired. Only had 3 season as a 1st base coach @ Rays.

 

Interesting.

 

He's only 37 years old and even younger than me,but at least he's older than most of the players he would managed…

 

 

Id take Joe Girardi back if he's still available after next year.

 

 

JJ

 

Retired.

 

Still say Girardi ruined his career. That dude was on his way to becoming the most dominant pitcher in baseball. A legitimate argument can be made that peak Josh Johnson was even better than peak Jose.

 

 

Retired.

 

Still say Girardi ruined his career. That dude was on his way to becoming the most dominant pitcher in baseball. A legitimate argument can be made that peak Josh Johnson was even better than peak Jose.

 

I'd agree to the fact that pitching-wise they were both about the same in terms of peak performance.  Jose was the more exciting player of the two simply because of his personality and love of the game - Jose could also actually bat.  Pitching-wise though?  Yeah 1a and 1b right there.

 

 

I loved JJ. He seemed like a good dude, in addition to being talented. That Logan and JJ show was always a fun watch.

 

 

Retired.

 

Still say Girardi ruined his career. That dude was on his way to becoming the most dominant pitcher in baseball. A legitimate argument can be made that peak Josh Johnson was even better than peak Jose.

 

I can’t agree.  Johnson was a rookie the year Girardi managed.  Peak Johnson was 09-10 well after he was gone.  The incident was unfortunate and it cost him his 07 season but it didn’t ruin his career 

 

 

Jose could also actually bat.

 

Do you not remember JJ's homers in 2009? Those things were jacked. Center field at the old park.

 

 

Do you not remember JJ's homers in 2009? Those things were jacked. Center field at the old park.

 

I'm not saying he was like Chen at the plate. Jose was still a far superior batter is all I'm saying. 

 

 

I can’t agree.  Johnson was a rookie the year Girardi managed.  Peak Johnson was 09-10 well after he was gone.  The incident was unfortunate and it cost him his 07 season but it didn’t ruin his career 

 

But here is the question: if not for that incident in 2006, does Johnson have the same amount of arm trouble moving forward? Remember: it wasn't just 2007 (and like half of 2008). He also missed just about all of 2011 and then underwent a second Tommy John surgery later on in his career.

 

Of course, there is also the possibility that Johnson simply had a weakness there, but it's hard to discount what happened in 2006 when recapping his career.

 

 

But here is the question: if not for that incident in 2006, does Johnson have the same amount of arm trouble moving forward? Remember: it wasn't just 2007 (and like half of 2008). He also missed just about all of 2011 and then underwent a second Tommy John surgery later on in his career.

 

Of course, there is also the possibility that Johnson simply had a weakness there, but it's hard to discount what happened in 2006 when recapping his career.

 

I really couldn’t say.  Im not a doctor but my uneducated opinion is that there isn’t a relationship. But you could be right.  I do agree though that he was really good, really under rated and his career was cut too short because of his arm